Lots of Games have it Now. Should GT 5 have a Rewind Option?

[aspect8]

Toronado wins the thread.

Also, if you haven't tried rewind in other games, then try it for a while. You never know, you might like it. If you have tried and it and you still hate it, then fair enough. Leaving aside the obvious "just don't use it" argument, I'll try another tack. What specifically do you object to? Leaderboard times placed with rewind? Rewind in Championships? Would disabling rewind on the highest difficulty or giving a set amount of chances (like Dirt 2) suit you better?

I can understand some people's viewpoint that it pollutes the simulation aspect. But the presence of Standard mode in Prologue suggests that PD is trying to cater to different levels of players already. Coming back with a flat "No" to a feature that would do the same thing seems a bit defensive. There's no real discussion on how rewind might be appropriate here, just people saying "No, and if you want it, you're a n00b".

 

[IsmokeGT]

Someone should start a Poll about which they prefer: Online vs Offline. When Everyone says online then the rewind function is irrelevant.

Had some good races, 1 at Fuji in the 111/R tuned, and 1 with the F2007.
*Real GT Fan*

 

[aspect8]

90% of GTP does not want rewind. They got their reasons.

Then it's a shame they can't articulate them, or find a way around the "don't use it" argument that doesn't involve a Spiderman gif. So far your only point is that it will let people make cool videos with less effort.

Ismoke: I think single player will always be a part of the GT experience. I personally much prefer online, which is why I haven't picked up Prologue yet, I'm waiting to see whether Polyphony delivers on their promises for online play. However, people will always want a career mode, the GT PSP reviews proved that. If GT PSP didn't get away with not having one, GT5 certainly won't.

 

[vaioleto]

I'll quote both of your posts:

Point being? You are right: They haven't played it either. They also haven't claimed that playing GT5 has given them opinions that are more important than those of others.



And part 2:

That's valid enough reasoning for your stance in my book, and is fairly similar to my own. What is NOT valid reasoning is "You haven't played GT5 like I have so my opinions hold more weight then yours." Because, quite frankly, that is an absurd line to take.


Stop your ironic tirades and I'll stop pointing out your hypocrisy.


Fixed. And throwing around "fanboy" at those who disagree with you does wonders for your argument. It really does.

Devedander doesn't have GT, thinks rewind is the savior for us lowly GT fans when everyone tells him no, and he keeps going, dismissing everyone's opinions as garbage, and keep soldiering on in all three threads about the same thing that are spamming the board.

If you don't like my attitude, you can stop replying to me, I was never talking to you in the first place, I was telling Devedander that he needs to give it a rest, and you came in all captain America going "BU... BU HE HAS WIGHTZ 2!" and started arguing god knows what while throwing a tirade about my ironic tirade of fanboy calling political incorrectness, at least I think that's what your BS was about.

 

[turbomp301]

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To me this video is a great arguement against the feature.

I can see the back of the Forza 3 box now.

New Rewind Feature - For those that love to punt, but hate when it backfires!

or

With Forza's new rewind feature, you'll never have to accept the negative consequences of your actions again!

 

[Seismica]

Ismoke: I think single player will always be a part of the GT experience. I personally much prefer online, which is why I haven't picked up Prologue yet, I'm waiting to see whether Polyphony delivers on their promises for online play. However, people will always want a career mode, the GT PSP reviews proved that. If GT PSP didn't get away with not having one, GT5 certainly won't.

I agree, without a career mode, Gran Turismo would not be Gran Turismo... It would just be another driving sim, we have plenty of those on PC, good driving physics, but largely lacking on in-depth play. The career mode is what i loved about GT1, the ability to race in championships and win cars, its addictive. If all i could do was choose a track and race, i wouldn't get more than a few weeks play out of it. Even GT5P has a sort of career mode, with the C-S class races, and the manufacturer events, theres a lot of gameplay, and a lot of challenge on the S-rank races in particular if you are using professional physics.

EDIT:

The Rewind feature to me, reminds me of the Undo feature on Chess Titans (A pre-installed game on Vista). It just takes the point out of the game in my opinion.

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

Forza 3: Why do license tests, when you can have a perfect lap right now?

or

Forza 3: Never suck.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Rewind on a racing simulator? That sounds funny when saying outloud. In my opinion, a rewind feature in a racing game takes the white knuckle, intense, eyes glued to the screen experience out of the game. You screw up going around a bend, oh well just hit rewind and 'redo' it. I know you aren't forced to use it, but its just the idea of having it available that takes the thrill out of racing knowing in the back of your mind you can 'do over'.

Personally I would hate to see a feature like this put into a GT game. A rewind feature should be left in a cheat/code book or website where it belongs. I still laugh when seeing screen shots of Forza 3 and at the bottom it reads "press l> to rewind".

 

[aspect8]

With Forza's new rewind feature, you'll never have to accept the negative consequences of your actions again!

So your argument is that it will let people enjoy the single player game their own way, even if that means punting? Because they can do that now, just turn damage off and away you go. I'm going to put this argument in the "rewind is terrible because it lets people play their single player game differently to me" box.

 

[vaioleto]

Forza 3: Why do license tests, when you can have a perfect lap right now?

or

Forza 3: Never suck.

Forza 3: It's not cheating if it comes with the game.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Personally I would hate to see a feature like this put into a GT game. A rewind feature should be left in a cheat/code book or website where it belongs. I still laugh when seeing screen shots of Forza 3 and at the bottom it reads "press l> to rewind".

A rewind feature in a racing game takes the white knuckle, intense, eyes glued to the screen experience out of the game. You screw up going around a bend, oh well just hit rewind and 'redo' it. I know you aren't forced to use it, but its just the idea of having it available that takes the thrill out of racing knowing in the back of your mind you can 'do over'.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Forza 3: It's not cheating if it comes with the game.

Forza 3: So easy a caveman can do it

 

[aspect8]

Personally, I've never found racing the AI much of a thrill. Even intelligent AI never quite gives you the same feeling of competing online. The Prologue AI certainly doesn't even try. That's the main reason I got bored with Prologue so fast, because the AI was not very engaging and getting a good online race was a nightmare.

I do agree that having the rewind feature there does take some of the stress out of the single player races. Would you prefer if it was perhaps:
1) Limited to a certain number of uses.
2) Was not available in harder difficulties,
3) Incurred a significant penalty in terms of race rewards?

Finally, the Forza references are pretty irrelevant to the argument about a given feature, although I suspect they do provide an insight into why a lot of people are against rewind.

 

[turbomp301]

So your argument is that it will let people enjoy the single player game their own way, even if that means punting? Because they can do that now, just turn damage off and away you go. I'm going to put this argument in the "rewind is terrible because it lets people play their single player game differently to me" box.

no, my arguement was the video itself. You can come to your own conclusions about how it portrays the feature.

Everything after that was a joke about what would be on the back of the forza box.

 

[vaioleto]

Forza 3: So easy a caveman can do it

Now that's going too far



How insulting to the cavemen.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Now that's going too far



The cavemen will be rolling in their fossil layers.

 

[RACECAR]

Someone has a hate crime lawsuit coming at them.

 

[aspect8]

no, my arguement was the video itself. You can come to your own conclusions about how it portrays the feature.

Everything after that was a joke about what would be on the back of the forza box.

And what was the argument? You showed a video of a guy playing the single player game, and rewinding the game when he made a mistake to show off a feature for the video. I assume you're annoyed that he can undo mistakes in a single player game, because you'd rather not be able to do that yourself? If that's the case then yes, your argument is still "I don't like the feature because it lets people play differently to how I like to play". So it's still a terrible argument.

 

[Devedander]

Forza 3: Why do license tests, when you can have a perfect lap right now?

or

Forza 3: Never suck.

You still have to do the perfect lap... whether it's pause restart a dozen times or rewind a dozen times, you still have to actually do it.

Would it be better if the tagline was:

GT4: You don't even have to drive the race to win it.

As for the second one, rewind doesn't make it so you never suck, it makes it easier and faster to learn how to not suck anymore.

If you never suck, you don't need rewind because... well what would you rewind... if you do suck, well then rewind will take the frustration out of getting better.

Forza 3: It's not cheating if it comes with the game.

GT4: Cutting corners... that's how you hot lap.

Forza 3: So easy a caveman can do it

GT4 BSpec: So easy you don't even have to do it

See where this kind of thing goes?

What is the e pen that everyone is protecting so vigorously here? So if someone else in their own home get through a race using rewind, how does that make you less skilled or make you look bad?

 

[turbomp301]

Whats better than having a rewind feature in GT5?


You guessed it, Rewind leaderboards!!!!!

Tell'em all about it Dev!!!

 

[turbomp301]

And what was the argument? You showed a video of a guy playing the single player game, and rewinding the game when he made a mistake to show off a feature for the video. I assume you're annoyed that he can undo mistakes in a single player game, because you'd rather not be able to do that yourself? If that's the case then yes, your argument is still "I don't like the feature because it lets people play differently to how I like to play". So it's still a terrible argument.

Whatever you say

 

[Devedander]

Whats better than having a rewind feature in GT5?


You guessed it, Rewind leaderboards!!!!!

Tell'em all about it Dev!!!

Yeah... you have rewind leaderboards... for rewind hot laps... then you have regular leaderboards for clean hot laps... the point?

 

[Organ-Donor]

You still have to do the perfect lap... whether it's pause restart a dozen times or rewind a dozen times, you still have to actually do it.

Would it be better if the tagline was:

GT4: You don't even have to drive the race to win it.

As for the second one, rewind doesn't make it so you never suck, it makes it easier and faster to learn how to not suck anymore.

If you never suck, you don't need rewind because... well what would you rewind... if you do suck, well then rewind will take the frustration out of getting better.



GT4: Cutting corners... that's how you hot lap.



GT4 BSpec: So easy you don't even have to do it

See where this kind of thing goes?

What is the e pen that everyone is protecting so vigorously here? So if someone else in their own home get through a race using rewind, how does that make you less skilled or make you look bad?

Lighten up man, it was all in fun, what are you so butthurt about? It wasnt a bash on Forza, Forza 3 is a fine game in its own right.

 

[Devedander]

Lighten up man, it was all in fun, what are you so butthurt about? It wasnt a bash on Forza, Forza 3 is a fine game in its own right.

What, mine weren't funny?

What am I butt hurt about? That's ironic... I'm not butthurt, I am just showing the error in the argument... what I want to know is why are people butthurt about someone elses single player game or someone elses youtube video?

 

[turbomp301]

What, mine weren't funny?

What am I butt hurt about? That's ironic... I'm not butthurt, I am just showing the error in the argument... what I want to know is why are people butthurt about someone elses single player game or someone elses youtube video?

They were funny Dev, those features are rancid on a good day. Why throw another turd on the pile?

 

[Organ-Donor]

What, mine weren't funny?

What am I butt hurt about? That's ironic... I'm not butthurt, I am just showing the error in the argument... what I want to know is why are people butthurt about someone elses single player game or someone elses youtube video?

I'm not at all. I think its great in Forza 3. I just stated my opinion that I would hate to see it get near GT or any racing sim for that matter, it kinda takes the realistic aspect out of the game and adds an 'arcade' like feel.

 

[Devedander]

I see no point in your arguing anymore then since your just talking from no experience with the game. Get GT5P, play it, and then talk about stupid stuff like rewind.

So basically your stance right now is, we, who have GT5P, play it all the time, enjoy it, have less argumentative power than you who has no PS3, and thus rarely plays GT5 or any GT for that matter. This makes your argument for rewind valid and our inherent gut feeling against it wrong.

OKay, credibility, you have none, please do stop this farce. 💡

I don't? Weak sauce

Let's see... I have played GT1 GT2 GT3 and GT4, I have played (admittedly only a couple dozen races) of GT5P on my friends PS3s (you know the friends PS3s I just told you about?) I have played Forza 1 and Forza 2, I have played lots of racing games including PC sims, I have done some computer programming (nothing big but general understanding involved) and I am would potentially drop $500 on this game which I have played exactly as much as you have...

Yeah... I don't belong here... I mean heck, even without all the experience and the fact that I am willing to drop 7 times more $$$ just to play GT5 than you would have to... it's not like I can have an opinion and understand things and comprehend ideas necessary to discuss stuff on a forum... nah...

Arguments against rewind: Empty and vacuous.

Arguments against who should be able to talk on the forums: Weird... I see a trend.

 

[McLaren]

Too many options in the poll. I dont have a problem with it, I like the feature. BUT -- if you use it, your lap time shouldn't make it to the leaderboards.

As I've already stated once, that's how it kind of works in Forza. Your lap time is recorded, but if you use the feature or cut corners, your time doesn't become certified and you get put near the bottom.

 

[turbomp301]

I don't? Weak sauce

Let's see... I have played GT1 GT2 GT3 and GT4, I have played (admittedly only a couple dozen races) of GT5P on my friends PS3s (you know the friends PS3s I just told you about?) I have played Forza 1 and Forza 2, I have played lots of racing games including PC sims, I have done some computer programming (nothing big but general understanding involved) and I am would potentially drop $500 on this game which I have played exactly as much as you have...

Yeah... I don't belong here... I mean heck, even without all the experience and the fact that I am willing to drop 7 times more $$$ just to play GT5 than you would have to... it's not like I can have an opinion and understand things and comprehend ideas necessary to discuss stuff on a forum... nah...

Arguments against rewind: Empty and vacuous.

Arguments against who should be able to talk on the forums: Weird... I see a trend.

Your arguements against polls = "I only bash the ones I dont agree with. Its the questions fault!"

I responded to you in the other thread so you better go reply. But I responded here too. Man you got some work to do.

 

[McLaren]

I'm not at all. I think its great in Forza 3. I just stated my opinion that I would hate to see it get near GT or any racing sim for that matter, it kinda takes the realistic aspect out of the game and adds an 'arcade' like feel.

If it's great in Forza 3, why can't it be just as great in a GT game? They're both shooting for the same market.