Lunar roving vehicle????!!!!!

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liampage123
Is it not a little excessive to whining so much over such a small thing? Just accept the fact that PD put it in the game.
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Not sure it's such a small thing. PD likes to point out it takes six months to develop a car.

How many other vehicles went to the chopping block so this novelty project could go through?

Did my RUF RGT-8 have to get tabled because of this?
 
Tier 2 Racing
Not sure it's such a small thing. PD likes to point out it takes six months to develop a car.

How many other vehicles went to the chopping block so this novelty project could go through?

Did my RUF RGT-8 have to get tabled because of this?
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Thats the problem, its always my my my, my this, and my that. The development of the game does not evolve around what you want.
 
liampage123
Is it not a little excessive to whining so much over such a small thing? Just accept the fact that PD put it in the game.
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I have to wonder what's considered whining. Some of us just don't think such an unusual car was worth PD's time. I'm not losing sleep over the fact this thing is in the game, but it sure doesn't have a place in my garage.
 
liampage123
Thats the problem, its always my my my, my this, and my that. The development of the game does not evolve around what you want.
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As a consumer, it actually does.

Because I do not agree with PD's decisions to include this content, while excluding content I want, I then exercise the only feedback that truly effects PD. I don't buy the game new.
 
Tier 2 Racing
As a consumer, it actually does.

Because I do not agree with PD's decisions to include this content, while excluding content I want, I then exercise the only feedback that truly effects PD. I don't buy the game new.
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Fallacy.

No car in Gran Turismo takes the place of any other car. No content that could appear doesn't. They can only include what they know about, what they want, what they get a licence for and what they can get hold of to model. All it takes is a single step of this chain to founder and the content is not included.

You can safely say they know about cars you know about and, with a stated desire to become a "car encyclopaedia", they want them too. So it pretty much boils down to what they can get a licence for and what they can model. The fact they can get a licence for a lunar rover and model it has no bearing on whether they can get a licence for any other car or find one to model.
Tier 2 Racing
Not sure it's such a small thing. PD likes to point out it takes six months to develop a car.
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It was six man months back in GT4 days - one man working for six months or 183 guys working for one day. I recall Kazunori said it was down to 2.5 months for GT5 - one man working for 2.5 months or 75 guys working for one day.

They have about 35 guys on the modelling team (which addresses the points others have made about why they haven't been working on other features - it's because they're the modelling team and their job is in-game models), each with different jobs in the process, so you can reasonably assume it takes around 4 days of work to get from them seeing the car in real life to there being an in-game version. And they don't spend the entire time on one car and then move onto the next - they're processing many at once...
Tier 2 Racing
How many other vehicles went to the chopping block so this novelty project could go through?
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Zero.
Tier 2 Racing
Did my RUF RGT-8 have to get tabled because of this?
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No.

If anything it will have been tabled for licensing reasons or because of the near impossibility of getting hold of one in their European schedule. You could contact them to lend them yours perhaps?
 
Tier 2 Racing
Not sure it's such a small thing. PD likes to point out it takes six months to develop a car.

How many other vehicles went to the chopping block so this novelty project could go through?

Did my RUF RGT-8 have to get tabled because of this?
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Well, logically it would be just one car they haven't modelled instead...one for one, eh?

It's the sort of thing PD does - not the first weird and wonderful addition, as I'm sure others have already pointed out.

EDIT: rendered pointless after Famine's post...
 
Famine
Fallacy.

No car in Gran Turismo takes the place of any other car. No content that could appear doesn't. They can only include what they know about, what they want, what they get a licence for and what they can get hold of to model. All it takes is a single step of this chain to founder and the content is not included.
That's a little too deep for this forum.

You can safely say they know about cars you know about and, with a stated desire to become a "car encyclopaedia", they want them too. So it pretty much boils down to what they can get a licence for and what they can model. The fact they can get a licence for a lunar rover and model it has no bearing on whether they can get a licence for any other car or find one to model.It was six man months back in GT4 days - one man working for six months or 183 guys working for one day. I recall Kazunori said it was down to 2.5 months for GT5 - one man working for 2.5 months or 75 guys working for one day.
I was refering to this quote:
http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gt6/cars/

So Famine, do you believe this content is worth the development time? You think this content should be given priority over other projects?


They have about 35 guys on the modelling team (which addresses the points others have made about why they haven't been working on other features - it's because they're the modelling team and their job is in-game models), each with different jobs in the process, so you can reasonably assume it takes around 4 days of work to get from them seeing the car in real life to there being an in-game version. And they don't spend the entire time on one car and then move onto the next - they're processing many at once...Zero.No.

If anything it will have been tabled for licensing reasons or because of the near impossibility of getting hold of one in their European schedule. You could contact them to lend them yours perhaps?

Not "my" as in physical ownership. "My" as in, I would like to see more RUF's, others would like to see more BMW's. A few people might want more realistic sounds. This is the content we as individuals want and would prioritize, while PD develops a random novel concept.
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Famine
You can safely say they know about cars you know about and, with a stated desire to become a "car encyclopaedia", they want them too. So it pretty much boils down to what they can get a licence for and what they can model. The fact they can get a licence for a lunar rover and model it has no bearing on whether they can get a licence for any other car or find one to model.It was six man months back in GT4 days - one man working for six months or 183 guys working for one day. I recall Kazunori said it was down to 2.5 months for GT5 - one man working for 2.5 months or 75 guys working for one day.
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@Famine , you got me curious. This numbers are real?

Because, if they are, 200 cars in three years is really a small achievement.

And I'm very pleased about the Lunar Rover! Will be there a Nasa thing on the dealerships? :cheers:
 
wowbaggerBR
@Famine , you got me curious. This numbers are real?

Because, if they are, 200 cars in three years is really a small achievement.

And I'm very pleased about the Lunar Rover! Will be there a Nasa thing on the dealerships? :cheers:
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They probably finish one about every 4 days, which Is an incredible achievement.
 
dr_slump
That's just plain ridiculous.
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Not quite. Without a pressure difference, air will not flow into the cylinders. Since air is naturally at atmospheric pressure, you need less than that to entice it into the cylinders - that happens to be the definition of a partial vacuum.

Whilst forced induction engines have their intakes running above atmospheric, the compressor's inlet will be operating in vacuum at the "eye" of the impeller, so Newton is not violated.

Obviously, without air, an engine won't work full-stop, so engines will not run in a total vacuum. Besides, I'm sure jimipitbull knows this, and was just teasing... ;)
 
Griffith500
Not quite. Without a pressure difference, air will not flow into the cylinders. Since air is naturally at atmospheric pressure, you need less than that to entice it into the cylinders - that happens to be the definition of a partial vacuum.

Whilst forced induction engines have their intakes running above atmospheric, the compressor's inlet will be operating in vacuum at the "eye" of the impeller, so Newton is not violated.

Obviously, without air, an engine won't work full-stop, so engines will not run in a total vacuum. Besides, I'm sure jimipitbull knows this, and was just teasing... ;)
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Aha, so you also agree with him saying a combustion engine is a vacuum... ?


I hope not, I really do.



EDIT: But thanks for taking that much time.
 
I wonder if it is a planned PD car. Or a off-time gimmick from one of the designers. The person showed it to Kaz, and he decided it should be in the game. I love such things. Let the guys and girls of PD have a laugh too
 
dr_slump
Aha, so you also agree with him saying a combustion engine is a vacuum... ?


I hope not, I really do.



EDIT: But thanks for taking that much time.
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Aha, in the sense of a vacuum cleaner? :lol:
No, but they are usually looked at in two parts: air pump (which is all a vacuum cleaner is, plus filter) and heat engine (combustion, expansion, work etc.) I.e., getting the gases in and out, and what you do with them in between.

I wonder if there's a market for putting one of these on a trolley, fabricating a filter and selling it as a vacuum cleaner? :dopey:

It revs more when you unstop the output; imagine doing the housework to the dulcet tones of a V-Twin. :D
EDIT: (Actually, it's a two-stroke, so won't sound quite as nice in my opinion, more like a 180° twin than a V-Twin / 270° Twin. Aaanyway...)
 
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PDD-Nox
I wonder if it is a planned PD car. Or a off-time gimmick from one of the designers. The person showed it to Kaz, and he decided it should be in the game. I love such things. Let the guys and girls of PD have a laugh too
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Or maybe Kaz wants to go to the moon, and NASA wouldn't let him on a free ride unless he made something big (astronomical :lol:) to the next installment? :D
 
CarreraGT
You obviously missed the point too so I'll elaborate. PD have spent a lot of time on features like solar modelling, new cars (including the lunar roving vehicle), Ayrton Senna content etc. but somehow have been unable to complete core features that fans have been crying out for since GT5 was released, i.e. a new sound model, improved AI, no "standard" cars and more current cars and manufacturers.

So my point is that PD have spent time developing gimmicky addon material instead of focusing on the core gameplay aspects that were lacking in GT5. Obviously modelling the lunar roaming vehicle alone did not prevent them from developing these aspects of the game, the point is that time was spent on pointless addons when it could (should?) have been spent on other things which, if you read any of the threads in this forum, are unanimously considered to be far more important.

Anyway that's just my opinion, and if you're excited by the lunar roaming vehicle then I've got nothing against that
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Kaz did say they were improving the AI/Sound, so that's technically not true. As for the standard cars, you're right (although the proportion of standards to premiums in GT6 is roughly 1/3 compared to GT5 which is roughly 1/5). By now one of the thing that they haven't implemented is (wait for it...) a livery editor
I suppose the best way to judge the Lunar Rover is to compare it to the Benz Motor Wagon, The Daimler Motor Carrige and the Ford Model T from GT4. Sure it won't be able to compete in races but at least you could try them out in Photomode and go for a free run every now and then.
Tbh I don't mind the Rover. Sure it was unexpexted and it may be considered a 'waste,' but it does show how pD respect such a historic vehicle-being the only vehichle ever to go on the Moon
 
Griffith500
Aha, in the sense of a vacuum cleaner?
No, but they are usually looked at in two parts: air pump (which is all a vacuum cleaner is, plus filter) and heat engine (combustion, expansion, work etc.) I.e., getting the gases in and out, and what you do with them in between.

I wonder if there's a market for putting one of these on a trolley, fabricating a filter and selling it as a vacuum cleaner?

It revs more when you unstop the output; imagine doing the housework to the dulcet tones of a V-Twin.
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Do I really have to say anything?


I'll never fall that deep to call a vacuum cleaner a vacuum... Seriously, you nearly made me speachless with this.
I somehow don't even want to know what comes next...


You're missing the point more than the Titanic the iceberg.
 
I honestly have no idea. As I said, I assume jimipitbull was joking. Kinda reminiscent of those perpetual energy machines. You know, there's, like, limitless energy in a vacuum, right? :p
 
Griffith500
I honestly have no idea. As I said, I assume jimipitbull was joking. Kinda reminiscent of those perpetual energy machines. You know, there's, like, limitless energy in a vacuum, right? :p
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Well, mass and energy are actually two seperate things... but... I think it's better when we let it be now...

:)
 
Griffith500
I was only joking around.
(But a vacuum has no mass; and and E=mc². Yeah, I'll shut up.)

:)
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That describes the equivalence of mass and energy, but doesn't exclude the possibility of having a form of energy in vacuum without mass or better called: medium.

EDIT: Certain forms of waves as example.
 
Dr Slump, thank you for your support and sense of humour regarding vacuums. Oh, and it can be a verb as well. :)
 

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