Made a B-Spec USB-device to auto grind for me. :)

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powerdrome
not millions for sure...

remote racing is fun the first, maybe second time, after that it is not rewarding and not funny.
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To be honest, I haven't tried remote racing. But since yesterday I've had my device running Laguna Seca earning ~340.000 credits per hour which adds up to 8 million credits per day. With auto save function and oil changes every four races.. I retired my level 38 driver yesterday and started with a new level 0 Bob. He is level 28 now and I just noticed that my B-Spec level will reach 38 in about 15 minutes.

I had to guide my level 0 Bob through the first race, then he was level 9 and has won every race since.

Even if I'd like to spend 12 hours per day in A-Spec my Bob's can cash in 4 millions per day for me without me having to do anything else than plug in a USB-cable.

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Pretty cool.

Potential problem with selling it though - can the firmware be updated remotely by the customer after purchase? After all, it would only take PD changing the way menu's are laid out to stop it working.

I'm not saying PD would do this with the intention to prevent a device like this working, just they might change the menu system at some point in the future for function/aesthetic reasons. Enough people complain about the layout of GTLife already, it might be on their "to do" list.
 
WuMing77
Pretty cool.

Potential problem with selling it though - can the firmware be updated remotely by the customer after purchase? After all, it would only take PD changing the way menu's are laid out to stop it working.

I'm not saying PD would do this with the intention to prevent a device like this working, just they might change the menu system at some point in the future for function/aesthetic reasons. Enough people complain about the layout of GTLife already, it might be on their "to do" list.
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At the moment I am e-mailing the firmware and distributing a software to load it that works on Windows/Mac/Linux. But, I will very shortly have a server based distribution system.

Have gotten the loader to work against an HTTPS site now and database is about to be finished. That way I can support the multiple variations of the code that each user needs to use for the different races and optimize them well.

If PD would change the game it would take me very short time to distribute updates and it would be dead simple for users to update their devices.

This is one of the reasons why I am not giving away the code, the B-Spec babysitter is a side project in a business venture running in a much larger scale. But, it is a great project to do since I love to use infrastructure backbones for several businesses. :)

Also, I have today ordered a batch of devices from the manufacturer so at the end of next week I can start shipping to whoever feels they need it. :)

First test user reported in today with these words:

"Just started this morning... so far works as promised. I will be out all day and will leave it racing... will let you know after several hours and report back!"

So stay tuned for an update from him, for me I have been working on the server and client admin side of the project and have had Bob run Laguna Seca in the American Championship. Since I started it last night he has earned me 12.9 million credits and it is still running!
 
sweanders2
At the moment I am e-mailing the firmware and distributing a software to load it that works on Windows/Mac/Linux. But, I will very shortly have a server based distribution system.

Have gotten the loader to work against an HTTPS site now and database is about to be finished. That way I can support the multiple variations of the code that each user needs to use for the different races and optimize them well.

If PD would change the game it would take me very short time to distribute updates and it would be dead simple for users to update their devices.

This is one of the reasons why I am not giving away the code, the B-Spec babysitter is a side project in a business venture running in a much larger scale. But, it is a great project to do since I love to use infrastructure backbones for several businesses. :)

Also, I have today ordered a batch of devices from the manufacturer so at the end of next week I can start shipping to whoever feels they need it. :)

First test user reported in today with these words:

"Just started this morning... so far works as promised. I will be out all day and will leave it racing... will let you know after several hours and report back!"

So stay tuned for an update from him, for me I have been working on the server and client admin side of the project and have had Bob run Laguna Seca in the American Championship. Since I started it last night he has earned me 12.9 million credits and it is still running!
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I ran the devise for 4 hours earlier today!! appprox 1,000,000 cr.. I just started again and will run a 12 to 15 hour run and report to you tomorrow how many credits it averages per hour ! Running Indy with a FGT and the first race time ( 13.3381 )
 
Xenn
Remote racing has rendered this useless, sorry man
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I wouldn't be so sure, there are tons of people even on this site that don't know about the (brilliant) remote race widget. With over 6 million GT5 units shipped, I would guess that less than 1% of those users know about it and probably not that many more ever will.

In any case, it's a neat little gadget and if the price is right I can see people going for it. After all, some loony people spend real money buying X2010's on Ebay - don't see why they wouldn't for this.

It's not for me personally but I wish the OP good luck :).
 
Man this would be amazing if it worked on a regular USB and if it was open source There are a lot of skilled developers here.

Also the remote race widget and remote racing is cool but the rewards are low and also this USB thing can put it into the live timer menu putting less stress on your PS3.

Please think of releasing the code and making it opensource so we can put it on an everyday usb.

Also what is the thing that you put it on I want to know more.
 
WuMing77
I wouldn't be so sure, there are tons of people even on this site that don't know about the (brilliant) remote race widget. With over 6 million GT5 units shipped, I would guess that less than 1% of those users know about it and probably not that many more ever will.

In any case, it's a neat little gadget and if the price is right I can see people going for it. After all, some loony people spend real money buying X2010's on Ebay - don't see why they wouldn't for this.

It's not for me personally but I wish the OP good luck :).
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I do remote racing and it's fun when I am in the office during the day !! My best day so far has been about 1,000,000... I am running a 12 hour test now on the devise and looks like it will be around 3,000,000... that's 6 million in a 24 hour period all automatic without have to waste time grinding and restart and change oil and restart 12-13 minutes. I think it's brilliant !!
 
whm
I do remote racing and it's fun when I am in the office during the day !! My best day so far has been about 1,000,000... I am running a 12 hour test now on the devise and looks like it will be around 3,000,000... that's 6 million in a 24 hour period all automatic without have to waste time grinding and restart and change oil and restart 12-13 minutes. I think it's brilliant !!
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Thanks for posting feedback here!

The configuration you have now is very safe since it is saving between each race. If you want to I can send you a new config that will run X number of races between each save. This will reduce the time spent between each race.
 
RacecarBMW
Man this would be amazing if it worked on a regular USB and if it was open source There are a lot of skilled developers here.
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Yes, that would be amazing, unfortunately it is impossible to send commands from a regular USB device. The code to automate would have to be included in the game. And since source code for the games out there is not available it will most likely never happen. Unless someone writes a peice of software to run on the PS3 that somehow can tap into the game.

However it would be done manipulation of the game code or software installed on the PS3 would have to be done. So hacking of the PS3 would be necessary. IMHO it is so much easier to just plug in a USB-cable. :)

Oh, and I have ordered 25 devices that UPS is bringing here. If anyone wants a copy.

Doing a group buy for an introduction price could be fun. :)
 
NLxAROSA
Very interesting device sweanders2. 👍 What introduction price are you thinking of?
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Early test users who give me feedback pay $35 and get five track configurations included in that price. Also test users get extra attention when it comes to optimize the configurations to their needs. $35 is the same as my cost to get it out the door without counting my time

I will probably have enough test users at the end of the week to get all the user feedback I need but there are a few slots available still.

Later I plan on selling it at a higher price which is not yet decided with one race file that suits the buyers current B-Spec level. Then will charge a few $ for each extra race configuration.

Users will later on be able to change the race config on the device by an application that downloads the configuration from a server over the internet. So if PD decides to do changes that limits the use, this will guarantee the user that they are not left with a useless device if the game is changed somehow.

There will most likely be 50-100 different race configurations to choose from depending on the quality of feedback I get from the test users.
 
HOODFIELD
@sweanders2

Remote B-Spec wasn't what we expected. I would go with the device. 👍
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Remote B-Spec adds something to the gamer I think, I haven't hosted any games yet but friends have used my drivers.

Main differences IMO with my "Bob Babysitter" and remote B-Spec is:

1: Remote B-Spec needs someone to manage it, my device doesn't.

2: No need for computer, software, internet connection, hosting server downtime and whatever else you can think of.

3: My device let's you cash in at a steady known rate with very little effort. Just plug it in and leave the PS3 to grind away, when returning unplug it and go about playing the game as normal. You will know how much money you can play with in the game buying cars and such things just multiplying the amount of time and the money/hour Bob is getting you.

4: Remote racing is free, my device cost money. Can't get around the fact that free is good, it's all about how you value your time and what you want out of the gaming experience. One does not exclude the other though. Which is good.

5: My device will get you a steady money stream at a known rate in the game.

6: My device is simple to use, nothing new to learn before using it.
 
sweanders2
Remote B-Spec adds something to the gamer I think, I haven't hosted any games yet but friends have used my drivers.

Main differences IMO with my "Bob Babysitter" and remote B-Spec is:

1: Remote B-Spec needs someone to manage it, my device doesn't.

2: No need for computer, software, internet connection, hosting server downtime and whatever else you can think of.

3: My device let's you cash in at a steady known rate with very little effort. Just plug it in and leave the PS3 to grind away, when returning unplug it and go about playing the game as normal. You will know how much money you can play with in the game buying cars and such things just multiplying the amount of time and the money/hour Bob is getting you.

4: Remote racing is free, my device cost money. Can't get around the fact that free is good, it's all about how you value your time and what you want out of the gaming experience. One does not exclude the other though. Which is good.

5: My device will get you a steady money stream at a known rate in the game.

6: My device is simple to use, nothing new to learn before using it.
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And it works !!! I ran a 4 hour test yesterday and collected 2,900,000 and change.. I am now 22 1/2 hours in a 24 hour test and will collect a total of about 6,000,000 when its over... cheating ? I don't think so... nothing different that grinding yourself except I did not have to reset every 13 minutes while I went about my normal day
 
Sweanders was just looking at your vids on Youtube about this, impressive stuff! But also wanted to point out (I don't comment on Youtube if I can possibly avoid it!) the person who referred to the Sony TOS quoted a section regarding "Sony Online Services". Well perhaps i'm not getting their point but surely that refers to online play, whereas your device is specifically for offline B-Spec grinding? You might want to point that out to them :)
 
If they are paying you upfront for your code then I think you should go for it.

But if they're offering you a share of the earnings you might aswell just post the program here, don't think you'll make much.

BTW. The pro of remote racing is that you can make money while playing if you connect to a network of remote racers. This also means that you can grind both B-spec and remote at the same time!
 
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Sederholm
If they are paying you upfront for your code then I think you should go for it.

But if they're offering you a share of the earnings you might aswell just post the program here, don't think you'll make much.
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Their talk turned out to be hot air, so I am running this project on my own. :)

Sederholm
BTW. The pro of remote racing is that you can make money while playing if you connect to a network of remote racers. This also means that you can grind both B-spec and remote at the same time!
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Tyger
Sweanders was just looking at your vids on Youtube about this, impressive stuff! But also wanted to point out (I don't comment on Youtube if I can possibly avoid it!) the person who referred to the Sony TOS quoted a section regarding "Sony Online Services". Well perhaps i'm not getting their point but surely that refers to online play, whereas your device is specifically for offline B-Spec grinding? You might want to point that out to them :)
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Ah, that makes sense. I also only found that same info and nothing else in the TOS.

I don't know what lead racerx to post that info, but I don't think it was a concern of his fellow game users.. ;)
 
Actually that is a pretty good solution for the whole B-spec mode haters, although they might bitch about the USB price and Sony might get a bit cross(if it is piracy based)but for me is a pretty good idea.

BTW how did you program it,C++,Java,nice algorithm BTW I hope you can get it going with A-spec, although that one is AI based :indiff:.
 
akiraacecombat
Actually that is a pretty good solution for the whole B-spec mode haters, although they might bitch about the USB price and Sony might get a bit cross(if it is piracy based)but for me is a pretty good idea.

BTW how did you program it,C++,Java,nice algorithm BTW I hope you can get it going with A-spec, although that one is AI based :indiff:.
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I have tried sniffing the Sixaxis controller to auto grind in A-Spec, decided to leave it alone for a while. But I picked up a pirated version of the Sixaxis with only USB connection that should be easier to do.

A-Spec auto grind would be the definition of cheating. :)
 
It would cost you less to sell the program online and let people go out and buy a usb cable to connect PC to PS3. Assuming it works in a similar fashion as a hyperterminal. But maybe it's easier to pirate that way.
 
sweanders2
I have tried sniffing the Sixaxis controller to auto grind in A-Spec, decided to leave it alone for a while. But I picked up a pirated version of the Sixaxis with only USB connection that should be easier to do.

A-Spec auto grind would be the definition of cheating. :)
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The menu's are predictable and the actual driving in B-spec involves no interaction so this is ideal for a simple open-loop system.

Cruise control for A-spec. It sounds like you'd just have to record a lap by tapping the controller signal and then replay that recording for the PS3. But AI cars will get in the way, and even if that wasn't an issue you'd have to hit the start/finish line at the exact place you started or you'd slowly drift, drawing a track shaped coil. Only way I see this happening is with some feedback, you'd be essentially simulating the AI.
 
It's funny how people's view of 'cheating' varies. How could using this device be considered cheating? Is the device being used to gain an advantage in a competition against others? Unless you're competing against friends to see who gets to some quantity of credits or Bob level first, it's not cheating.

If you believe that using this device is cheating, then I suspect what you're thinking is that you're 'cheating' yourself out of the enjoyment or experience of some aspect of the game. That's not cheating in the sense of competition. If you think this way, consider this scenario. You set up some Bobs to run an endurance race and you turn off the TV and go to sleep. Wouldn't that be cheating too since you robbed yourself from seeing a very long and very boring automated race? And if you don't think that's cheating, then presumably, you believe that punching a few buttons prior to the race is some type of 'competition' or 'a rewarding experience.' Nonsense. Punching a few buttons and going to sleep and using a device such as this are no different.

I for one would likely pay for something like this but not $49, nor anywhere close to that. I would pay on the order of a typical iPhone app, between $5 and $10 tops. If it is only available as a piece of hardware, then I would expect it to be more expensive. If so, I just wouldn't buy it.
 
dannyg77
I for one would likely pay for something like this but not $49, nor anywhere close to that. I would pay on the order of a typical iPhone app, between $5 and $10 tops. If it is only available as a piece of hardware, then I would expect it to be more expensive. If so, I just wouldn't buy it.
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Yeah, I think the price is a big problem. I wouldn't pay anywhere near $49 for a final version, neither would I pay $35 to test it.

Although I highly doubt game credits would be made available to buy via Playstation Store, if they were at some point in the future I would probably even baulk at paying, say, $1 per million (or multiples thereof).

Essentially paying $35 for some in-game credits is lunacy IMO, but as I said before some people buy X2010's on Ebay for real money so there may be a small market for it. Whether that market is also profitable/worthwhile is another matter.
 

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