Mazda RX8 Power (bug?)

[dking]

The RX-8 is not faster around the corners because it can not accelerate out of them becuase lack of torque. There have been many comparisons of these cars and the Z always wins. I have read lap times at button hill raceway and california speedway inner course where the Z lead by several secconds. The Z has better lateral acceleration; .90g versus .88 and a higher slolam speed which dictate cornering ability. The RX-8 is not a true sports car and an embarassment to the RX name the RX-7 fought so hard for. Shame on you mazda and shame on you dking for arguing without facts to back it up.

top gear had stig run the cars...both finished with identical lap time....oh yeah they tied with the e46 m3....besides the mazda is cheaper....sorry mwhatever(don't want to hit back to look up yer name) didn't know u cared so much about the rx8 being "inferior" guess yer scared...lol jp...i think top gear is respected enough for facts....just go enjoy your car....i enjoy mine...isn't that what it is all about anyways?

 

[macrayz]

Famine I will admit the rx8 is a Renesis if you admit on any given track, even Mazda's Laguna Seca Raceway the Z will come out on top. The RX8 may be nimble but this doesn't mean faster through corners. You need torque to speed out of a corner due to lower rpm's to grip and the 350z has more torque at idle than the RX8 has in total. Car and Driver said this not me.

 

[macrayz]

Road and Track had a front page article entitled David vs. the Goliaths. In this a 350z track edition like the one I own posted better lap times than a 911 and M3 but lost to a Z06. I may lose to a Z06 but you will ALWAYS lose to me. If only you were in Florida we could meet because you difinately need some education.

 

[dking]

Road and Track had a front page article entitled David vs. the Goliaths. In this a 350z track edition like the one I own posted better lap times than a 911 and M3 but lost to a Z06. I may lose to a Z06 but you will ALWAYS lose to me. If only you were in Florida we could meet because you difinately need some education.

Nm i posted but am retractin....yer a # guy guess thas all u care bout...o too fast too furious florida....i'll see you on those cheap import car dvds

 

[Famine]

Famine I will admit the rx8 is a Renesis if you admit on any given track, even Mazda's Laguna Seca Raceway the Z will come out on top. The RX8 may be nimble but this doesn't mean faster through corners. You need torque to speed out of a corner due to lower rpm's to grip and the 350z has more torque at idle than the RX8 has in total. Car and Driver said this not me.

I neither know nor care.

Why should my opinion (for that's ALL it would be) on this matter alter your acceptance of a nice, cold, hard, solid fact?

 

[macrayz]

good point famine. Magazine's don't lie, forum members lie because they often speek of what they do not know. Your knowledge of the history of rotary engines is impressive. Have you seen how difficult it would be however to make a Renesis engine forced induction with a turbo? The location of the exhaust ports make this next to impossible. I have yet to see a company release a turbo kit for the car where their are countless for the Z making 400hp at the wheels.

 

[dking]

good point famine. Magazine's don't lie, forum members lie because they often speek of what they do not know. Your knowledge of the history of rotary engines is impressive. Have you seen how difficult it would be however to make a Renesis engine forced induction with a turbo? The location of the exhaust ports make this next to impossible. I have yet to see a company release a turbo kit for the car where their are countless for the Z making 400hp at the wheels.

dood GREDDY and HKS have turbo kits for the rx8....why so much hate on the 8....i don't hate the z....i just prefer the rx8 an obviously your opinions are flawed too...so go drive yer z...btw arguin with you is fun keep it coming

 

[Famine]

Intriguing - I've heard of at least two different aftermarket turbocharged Renesis engines. I'd also heard of Mazdaspeed working on one - although how true this is I don't know.

However, using "My car is faster than your car because, if I felt like it and had enough money, I could get twice as much power at the wheels as you do standard" as an argument doesn't really hold water. It's what we call "beside the point".

Magazines do lie - or at least "fudge reality" - depending on who they're getting free stuff from at the time. Legend has it that Jeremy Clarkson himself was full of praise for every Ford made - at the expense of Vauxhall - until they picked him as one of the 20 UK Ford GT purchasers. Since then, every Ford has been panned and Vauxhall have made two good cars (well, Lotus make one and Holden make the other...).

Never trust one source. Rarely trust two agreeing sources. Occasionally trust multiple agreeing sources, but only with corroborative personal experience. Go drive some RX-8s, rather than believing everything you read - not to say that what you say is wrong, but that you should really confirm it for yourself...

 

[dking]

Intriguing - I've heard of at least two different aftermarket turbocharged Renesis engines. I'd also heard of Mazdaspeed working on one - although how true this is I don't know.

However, using "My car is faster than your car because, if I felt like it and had enough money, I could get twice as much power at the wheels as you do standard" as an argument doesn't really hold water. It's what we call "beside the point".

Magazines do lie - or at least "fudge reality" - depending on who they're getting free stuff from at the time. Legend has it that Jeremy Clarkson himself was full of praise for every Ford made - at the expense of Vauxhall - until they picked him as one of the 20 UK Ford GT purchasers. Since then, every Ford has been panned and Vauxhall have made two good cars (well, Lotus make one and Holden make the other...).

Never trust one source. Rarely trust two agreeing sources. Occasionally trust multiple agreeing sources, but only with corroborative personal experience. Go drive some RX-8s, rather than believing everything you read - not to say that what you say is wrong, but that you should really confirm it for yourself...

👍 why do ppl talk smack when all they are doing is making themselves look like an a$$...i like cars...I think the z has a way heavier steering feel compared to the lightweight rX8.....The cars are developed with a different philosophy...so which ever you agree with is aiight with me! I mean come on totally different power plants.... 1.3 liter rotary .... vs a 3.5 liter v6( i think correct me if i am wrong...)....totally different....A TRUE enthusiest will appreciate difference not bash it....my thoughts

 

[macrayz]

This is a fun debate. Correct with the right amount of money a Geo Metro will smoke my Z. So let's keep it stock to stock. Let's quote Edmunds.com "the 350Z out-handles and out-accelerates the Mazda RX-8".

 

[dking]

This is a fun debate. Correct with the right amount of money a Geo Metro will smoke my Z. So let's keep it stock to stock. Let's quote Edmunds.com "the 350Z out-handles and out-accelerates the Mazda RX-8".

but yer track edition is special and not a stock 350z =0) from a practicality standpoint i believe the rx8 is better (my opinion) plus it is cheaper...lighter...and seats 4....with space...i sat in the back of a g35..(way more expensive) ..it isn't very nice...i sat in the back of rx8...wow it was way more comfy...i say rx8 is a true practical sportscar...btw...i can go up to 9000rpm can u?

 

[macrayz]

I test drove an RX-8 and loved the nimble handling but I did not feel one with the road because the RX felt so high. I did like the shift warning buzz but it doesn't compare with my programmable shift light. The interior is very nice and the backseats have more room than a 330ci. The torque was a joke for daily driving. Punch it at 3k and the care barely moves. Punch the Z at 3K and you take off. This is better for day to day comutes. The RX-8 is a good car but as a sports car comparisson the 350z clearly tops it as over four magazines can state.

 

[dking]

I test drove an RX-8 and loved the nimble handling but I did not feel one with the road because the RX felt so high. I did like the shift warning buzz but it doesn't compare with my programmable shift light. The interior is very nice and the backseats have more room than a 330ci. The torque was a joke for daily driving. Punch it at 3k and the care barely moves. Punch the Z at 3K and you take off. This is better for day to day comutes. The RX-8 is a good car but as a sports car comparisson the 350z clearly tops it as over four magazines can state.

you should of punched the rx8 above 4k...the rotary is a different type of motor then the v6...of course you get more tourque at 3k in the z thne the rx8....think of the rx8 powerband like the s2k....u got to push it to go fast...what was yer 0-60 time? just curious....i think car and driver clocked the rx8 at 5.9...or was that motor trend...haha so much for the thread....oooo btw did your 350z get the 10 best sports coupe award....the rx8 did...thas car and driver 10 best...i didn't see the z on the list....

 

[macrayz]

Motor trend clocked 5.4. Car and driver in a track model 5.2 and 13.9 in 1/4. I posted 13.8 stock so my 0-60 was around 5.1-5.2. I can still say I'm in the 13s which is more than any of you can say

 

[macrayz]

The 350z received Automobile magazine's Car of the Year. Has the RX-8 ever received the car of the year award? Didn't think so. And the 350Z was on the list the previous year and did not include based on no changes in 04 and including the g35c which is too similar. This was stated on the car and driver show on Spike TV.

 

[oggy]

you should of punched the rx8 above 4k...the rotary is a different type of motor then the v6...of course you get more tourque at 3k in the z thne the rx8....think of the rx8 powerband like the s2k....u got to push it to go fast...what was yer 0-60 time? just curious....i think car and driver clocked the rx8 at 5.9...or was that motor trend...haha so much for the thread....oooo btw did your 350z get the 10 best sports coupe award....the rx8 did...thas car and driver 10 best...i didn't see the z on the list....

Notice how he said daily driving? Reving above 4k at every stop is hardly daily driving. Having to rev at 6-8k to get good pull is hardly a "pracital" sportscar.

 

[macrayz]

Correct oggy. One thing you forgot to mention is in an rX-8 or S2000 to achieve good 1/4mile and 0-60 times you have to drop the clutch at 5K due to the lack of torque. This is fine if you're a magazine who doesn't have to pay for a new clutch but getting these times at a stop light will burn your clutch on your fifth try. Launching at 2K like I do in my Z will result in a 16 seccond 1/4

 

[dking]

Notice how he said daily driving? Reving above 4k at every stop is hardly daily driving. Having to rev at 6-8k to get good pull is hardly a "pracital" sportscar.

Sigh it is a differnt type of motor....has nissan won lemans?...i didnt' think so....the rotary is supposed to b driven at higher revs so you can drive economical.....or sporty dependin on how you shift...i think that is practical...besides...your v6 doesn't rev up to 9000 rpm like the rotary...Like i said before It is two different cars....with different racing philosophy...take yer traditional v6 attitude away if you are goin to compare the two....Car and drivers 10 best list.... sports coupe of the year...that should qualify for an award...anyone that launches a rotary at 2k..(with acceleration intention ) .shouldn't drive a rotary....stick to yer v6's you don't appreciate the difference in thought....besides the rx8 isn't a hardcore sports car...mazda even admits this...I call the rx8 more of a family sports....if mazda were serious they will rerelease the rx7 to make alll the fd guys happy...till then the "family sportscar" should get the respect it deserves for what it is....muscle heads.... =0D

 

[comptechgsr]

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[dking]

ahhahaha i not arguin merely tryin to stop rx8 hate....i even said enjoy your own cars...it isn't about who is better...as long as you enjoy yer ride....But if you are all caught up in the # game....yer missin the whole point....

 

[comptechgsr]

you just gotta match up your needs and what you can get.

is the rx8 more practical? yes; in the sense that it can seat 4 more comfortably than the Z, etc. And with that, the rx8 can definitely hang with the 350z (even in a straight line, the 350z wins, but not by much etc etc.).

The awards given out by most popular car magazines (motor trend, C&D, automobile) tally more things than just 1/4 mile, later g's, and track time. They take into account driveability, manageability, luxury (noise, stereo, overall feel of the car). The most important thing is to drive both, and decide for yourself---that is the best solution.

Besides, most people probably do not push their cars to over 6-7/10ths on the road to realize how much better one is over the other. On the road, being practical counts as on the track, a small 2 seater may be better, etc. It just depends on what you're using it for.

The Rx8 is definitely a good cross between both worlds; you can take it out and have 3 of your friends, and track it on the weekends.

Same thing goes with the 350z---with the exception of rear passenger comfort. Whatever floats your boat, really.

I would go with a 89 Mustang LX. 5.0 notch.


As for power #'s,
IMO, drive torque and race hp. Of course there are more variables like gearing, weight, power curves/bands, but i like to keep it simple

 

[123abc]

I would go with a 89 Mustang LX. 5.0 notch.

And I'll stick with my 67 Plymouth Belvedere.

I love rotary's...mainly because they're different and have an awesome sound to them. I find it real funny that this topic can take up 3 whole pages......all it was is probably a simple answer then everyone chimes in and starts up a "this car is better than that car" debate.


I'd take a 95 Supra RZ over 350Z though......what now?

 

[dking]

And I'll stick with my 67 Plymouth Belvedere.

I love rotary's...mainly because they're different and have an awesome sound to them. I find it real funny that this topic can take up 3 whole pages......all it was is probably a simple answer then everyone chimes in and starts up a "this car is better than that car" debate.


I'd take a 95 Supra RZ over 350Z though......what now?

the 350z bows down to the 300zx twin turbo...OOOO hahah....i had to keep the argument goin...lol it was fun
Rx8 bows down to Fd rx7 OOOOOOOOO

 

[RX-7 FD Drifter]

the 350z bows down to the 300zx twin turbo...OOOO hahah....i had to keep the argument goin...lol it was fun
Rx8 bows down to Fd rx7 OOOOOOOOO

agreed!

 

[eastley]

@eastley: umm...okay, what's your point? The Z has more power? Okay, but the 8 is still faster around corners

It never had a point, I was just letting people know what power the Aussie Editions had.

The RX-8 is soooooooo ugly anyway...

I like the looks of the 350Z so I would get one of those.. As for performance, there very very very close anyway.

 

[Famine]

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Do you know how banned you're going to be for posting that?

 

[puricele7e]

Would you please stop arguing which is better....sheesh...., Both cars are both beautiful and ugly, depends on what you prefer.....Now please don't embaress yourselves by continuing to argue,ok ?? This is no Fairlady Z vs RX8 thread......Have a N.I.C.E. day

 

[YZF]

Yes indeed, 285hp is not after oil change and it is not for rx8 concept, so it is little bug And if you want to know which car is faster, take it (in gt4) and test it

 

[ZeratulSG]

Oh wow guys why don't we just whip 'em out and compare sizes?

I bought the RX-8 because I liked it. I like the styling, I love the engine, and it IS very different to a piston engine, so comparing the two is a little irrelevant. Yes you have to rev the engine to get performance, such is the nature of a rotary. And yes it has a lower peak torque than the Z, but compare the curves.

I drove the Z, I did not like it, noisy cabin, that bulge on the inside of the door pressed up against my shoulder, and in my country it's way overpriced.

If you like the Z great! If you like the RX-8 great! To each his own. The Z's have become so common though that they don't really turn heads anymore, while the 8 is still fairly rare around here. Both are great cars, and I don't really care who can smoke who doing what, though I still maintain the RX-8 handles better overall, while the Z is faster in a straight line, but they require different driving styles. All I know is that I've "smoked" my share of Z's in my 8, but I don't get out at the next light and tell the guy his car sucks

And the RX-8 has won quite a few awards, and the engine won best engine of 2003/4.

 

[dking]

Oh wow guys why don't we just whip 'em out and compare sizes?

I bought the RX-8 because I liked it. I like the styling, I love the engine, and it IS very different to a piston engine, so comparing the two is a little irrelevant. Yes you have to rev the engine to get performance, such is the nature of a rotary. And yes it has a lower peak torque than the Z, but compare the curves.

I drove the Z, I did not like it, noisy cabin, that bulge on the inside of the door pressed up against my shoulder, and in my country it's way overpriced.

If you like the Z great! If you like the RX-8 great! To each his own. The Z's have become so common though that they don't really turn heads anymore, while the 8 is still fairly rare around here. Both are great cars, and I don't really care who can smoke who doing what, though I still maintain the RX-8 handles better overall, while the Z is faster in a straight line, but they require different driving styles. All I know is that I've "smoked" my share of Z's in my 8, but I don't get out at the next light and tell the guy his car sucks

And the RX-8 has won quite a few awards, and the engine won best engine of 2003/4.

finally another rx enthusiest! and That is what i have been tryin to say all along...they are two very different cars....you got to respect difference an not bash it! 👍 True car lovers respect other cars....boy racers diss em...who are you?