@macrayz: You might wanna take those numbers (all numbers) with a pinch of salt, testing conditions etc. are rarely the same, and as someone else already pointed out, Top Gear disproves all of that and puts the Z, the RX-8, and M3 on the same page with identical laptimes. Regardless, I never said I beat a Z on track I was talking about stop-light racing. And no, not in a straight line either, so if it makes you feel better you can put the Z's loss down to poor driver skill or whatever. I don't really care. That's my point. You seem hell-bent on proving that your car beats my car, and the only points I was trying to make were a) better or not, you don't make friends when you tell people their car sucks and can be "smoked" by yours, Mr. Diesel

it's in your wording and attitude, and b) I honestly couldn't care if the Z beats my 8, on paper or wherever. I bought my car for good reason, and I didn't buy a Z for good reason, and those reasons are valid for me, and may be the opposite for you, whatever, the point is it really doesn't matter that much and yet you insist on going on about it. I'm a car enthusiast, and as such I love my 8, but I also like the Z, I'm not putting your car down (as you are mine).
Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to offend you or start a flame war. I'm just getting tired of reading belligerent posts about how much better your car is than mine. I don't care. Let's leave it alone.