Michael Jackson dies

[boiltheocean]

It's a sad reflection on today's overly litigious society that people will take any opportunity to try and make a buck or two.

You should of seen some of the early BBC news reports from outside MJ's rented home, tour buses had made it a stop within hours.

 

[LittleBahamut]

Sorry but one part of this I just can't agree with.

If (and you will notice I am using the word if) he did commit any of the things he was accused of, then for those others involved it would still be far from over.

Death does not absolve people for the acts they may have commited during life.


Regards

Scaff

IF he actually did do it, and someone finds evidence in MJ's house. Like lets say a tape of him molesting a child. What can those family really do to MJ since he is dead?

I am not a lawyer or good with laws, but what can they gain from a dead person? I guess the court can take some money out of MJ's bank account and give it to them?

 

[Northstar]

According to what I read on Yahoo a couple days a go he has like $50million in debt. Basically they couldn't possibly gain anything.

 

[McLaren]

Only Michael.

 

[Scaff]

IF he actually did do it, and someone finds evidence in MJ's house. Like lets say a tape of him molesting a child. What can those family really do to MJ since he is dead?

I am not a lawyer or good with laws, but what can they gain from a dead person? I guess the court can take some money out of MJ's bank account and give it to them?

I'm not even remotely thinking about financial gain for any possible victims here, rather affirming the point that long term psychological effects of abuse don't simple disappear when the perpetrator dies.


Scaff

 

[Mark T]

According to what I read on Yahoo a couple days a go he has like $50million in debt. Basically they couldn't possibly gain anything.

Besides Michael Jacksons personal debt he also has a seperate income completely seperate which currently cannot be touched by his debtors. I read an article on the weekend which said that his children are set to inherit a vast fortune made up of song rights which bring a steady income. However, Barclays bank who are owed $300m are apparently going to try and get at that income to cover the debt that is owed to them.

 

[Only_in_f1]

According to what I read on Yahoo a couple days a go he has like $50million in debt. Basically they couldn't possibly gain anything.

I thought the figure was more $500,000,000?

 

[nk4e]

Only Michael.

And they had to be filipino.
Cebu Provincial Detention and Rehabilitation Center is a maximum security prison in Cebu, in the Cebu Province, the Philippines.

Byron Garcia originally wanted to introduce a program at Cebu Provincial Detention and Rehabilitation Center (CPDRC) where inmates would exercise for an hour each day. He saw waves of prisoners in the exercise yard and thought it looked good.[5] He also claims in a British documentary that his inspiration came while watching the movie The Shawshank Redemption in particular the scene where the sounds of Mozart's Figaro flood the prison yard.[6]

Garcia initially introduced an exercise program where the prisoners marched in unison, starting out with marching to the beat of a drum, but moved on to dancing to pop music; he began with one of his favourite songs, Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall (Part 2)".[5] He chose camp music such as In The Navy and Y.M.C.A. by The Village People, so macho prisoners would not be offended at being asked to dance.[1]

Garcia's first upload of prisoner choreography was the Algorithm March[7], but this was almost entirely ignored. But the next upload Thriller had a massive response.

The prison now even has its own official choreographer teachers, like Vince Rosales and Gwen Laydor. Some prisoners are chosen more prominently for more sophisticated routines while the general prison population (sometimes up to 1500 inmates) participate with simpler more accessible routines.

I wonder if DMX thought pink was a bad way to hurt the pride of one man. To see him dance like that. Speaking of which, the CPDRC has copied Solija boy's routine.

 

[Loon]

Who's next? In the past month or so five "famous", some more so than others, people have died. David Carradine, Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, Micheal Jackson, and now Billy Mays. This is kind of weird isn't it? I know death is a part of life and is bound to happen eventually, but wow. A lot of well known people have died lately and sort of close together. The deaths are kind of snowballing, it's just the past week and a half that 3 of these people have died.

 

[Touring Mars]

It actually happens all the time, it's just the news value that fluctuates i.e. Farrah Fawcett's death would have dropped out of the news here in the UK in a matter of days, but since MJ died too, it will be remembered as "happening at roughly the same time as MJ died" (with all due respect to Farrah Fawcett) - indeed, Arthur C. Clarke and Anthony Minghella not only died in the same week last year, but according to this website, Anthony Minghella died twice in the same week himself!!

I'm not too embarrassed to admit that I was an MJ fan back in the day - and I gave the MJ estate another 79 pence today (you can thank me later, Joe) by buying "Beat It" on MP3, a truly brilliant crossover rock/pop song that, IMO, along with "Billie Jean", were almost without equal in a decade of music. What I am embarrassed to admit, however - and I can reveal a GTP Exclusive here (you can thank me later, Jordan) is what I now call "The Nürnberg Incident". I was on holiday in Germany, summer of 88, and had just bought "Bad" on cassette. My family and I were staying with friends in Nürnberg and the boy of the family, Thorsten, asked if he could copy my tape. I, being a stuck-up little goody-two-shoes, said no A few hours later, I caught him trying to copy the tape anyway, despite my refusal to sanction such a dastardly act of blatant piracy (you can thank me later, Michael... no, wait). Anyway, I took his half-copy out of the tape deck and taped over it with silence (you can thank me later, Thorsten!)

 

[Solid Lifters]

Who's next? In the past month or so five "famous", some more so than others, people have died. David Carradine, Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, Micheal Jackson, and now Billy Mays. This is kind of weird isn't it? I know death is a part of life and is bound to happen eventually, but wow. A lot of well known people have died lately and sort of close together. The deaths are kind of snowballing, it's just the past week and a half that 3 of these people have died.

Don't forget to add Fred Travalena but I don't expect anybody under 30 to know whom he is.

 

[Touring Mars]

Incidentally, I just went onto VidZone on the PS3 (the free music video service) and it has MJ's greatest hits, a 20 song compilation of his best songs... pretty cool, considering it's totally free, on-demand, and totally legal 👍

 

[Danny]

Did anyone else watch the Memorial Service? I found it very moving indeed, and Paris was immensely brave, as they all were.

 

[Coxis]

I'm very saddened by this. Memorial was very moving like ultrabeat mentioned, he was such a talented singer and a character that won't soon be forgotten. RIP.

 

[Northstar]

So do you think now that the memorial is over people will shut up about it?

Normally I watch the Today show in the morning before work(It's really my only option with no cable/satellite), but I haven't watched it since he died because that is all they talk about. Added to that the 6 Dateline specials about it.

I like his music and am sad he is gone, but there are other things going on in the world. I think the weeks of constant airtime should be reserved for presidents, not former pop culture icons. I mean really, the only time he has been in the spot light in the last 20 years was when he was either hanging a baby out a window or being accused of child molestation.

/rant

 

[Coxis]

So do you think now that the memorial is over people will shut up about it?

Normally I watch the Today show in the morning before work(It's really my only option with no cable/satellite), but I haven't watched it since he died because that is all they talk about. Added to that the 6 Dateline specials about it.

I like his music and am sad he is gone, but there are other things going on in the world. I think the weeks of constant airtime should be reserved for presidents, not former pop culture icons. I mean really, the only time he has been in the spot light in the last 20 years was when he was either hanging a baby out a window or being accused of child molestation.

/rant

Nah, not quite. I totally get your point, and it shows how big he was -- the fact that there's being a coup in Honduras, Palin resigns, the coverage and fuzz about Iran pretty much subsided because of the dead of this great entertainer. There's also all the subsequent issues that will probably rise from his will, the custody of his children, etc. not to mention the specials and whatnot that will be aired. You can be sure you'll keep hearing about him for a while.

 

[mafia_boy]

Think back to when Elvis died people and the media circus that created in 1977!! It wasn't over in the blink of an eye, the coverage kept going for ages. Same with Marilyn Monroe. Even today (32 & 47yrs later!!) you see specials on them and the conspiracy theories and the good & bad moments in their lives.

The same thing will happen with MJ so rest assured, you'll see specials of him when you're ALL old & grey haired regarding everything from the kid fiddling to the magnificent music he created. I do feel for the eldest kids though.....they are both around the same age I was when my father passed away so I can feel their pain and hope that they don't go off the tracks, death does cause that to happen to the living.

 

[Famine]

I thought the "memorial" was staged, mawkish nonsense.

Even if you want to ignore the disgusting spectacle of the Jackson "family" crowding round an upset little girl and making her talk to pretty much the world about her dad who'd died a few days previously, or the two sons sitting completely expressionless, chewing gum (mind you, at least they have faces now), or Jermaine Jackson/Muhammed Abdul-Aziz and Usher both "breaking down" just before the end of their songs only to sing the last line perfectly...


Even if you ignore all of that... it was still 17,500 people watching celebrities singing pop songs to a coffin. I know Jackson didn't exactly have a "normal" life, but come on.

 

[mr_geez]

I thought the "memorial" was staged, mawkish nonsense.

Even if you want to ignore the disgusting spectacle of the Jackson "family" crowding round an upset little girl and making her talk to pretty much the world about her dad who'd died a few days previously, or the two sons sitting completely expressionless, chewing gum (mind you, at least they have faces now), or Jermaine Jackson/Muhammed Abdul-Aziz and Usher both "breaking down" just before the end of their songs only to sing the last line perfectly...


Even if you ignore all of that... it was still 17,500 people watching celebrities singing pop songs to a coffin. I know Jackson didn't exactly have a "normal" life, but come on.

If you have so much negative feelings about this whole "MJ Memorial event" why did you bother watching it all and then even waste time to write this pity resemblance of a review?!

 

[mafia_boy]

Even if you ignore all of that... it was still 17,500 people watching celebrities singing pop songs to a coffin. I know Jackson didn't exactly have a "normal" life, but come on.

I didn't think about it that way, but that does sound morbid and disturbing in that sense.

But I'll ask you about it this way Famine....if you had passed away, would it be an honour or disturbing for you if 17,500 GTP'ers came and started having a huge UKGTP style LAN around your sponsored Indigo coffin at your funeral/memorial??

*added bit* mr_geez....umm, wrong way to go about it. He's expressing his opinion. Or are you a Michael fanboy too now that he's died??

More and more comments coming from people like yourself are making me side with Josh!! These comments are making me just go !

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> Jermaine performance was a powerfull performance, it almost made me cry.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I've totally avoided TV news recently to avoid all the coverage of MJ's death/Life/legacy etc. Now that he's in the ground I hope for some real news on TV again.

 

[TheCracker]

I've totally avoided TV news recently to avoid all the coverage of MJ's death/Life/legacy etc. Now that he's in the ground I hope for some real news on TV again.

+1 👍

 

[Mark T]

I've totally avoided TV news recently to avoid all the coverage of MJ's death/Life/legacy etc. Now that he's in the ground I hope for some real news on TV again.

If you want real news, TV is probably the last place you want to look.

 

[Famine]

mafia_boy - You're more than welcome to come to my funeral. I'd rather it wasn't organised by someone who I hate and filled with "celebrities" singing at my coffin while my daughter is forced, by estranged family, to cry down a microphone in front of the known universe. But hey, them's the breaks.

If you have so much negative feelings about this whole "MJ Memorial event" why did you bother watching it all and then even waste time to write this pity resemblance of a review?!

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware I had to like everything I watched and wasn't allowed to pass any opinion. In the Opinions forum.

My Famine's Film Reviews would probably make you spontaneously combust.

 

[Sureboss]

Got to agree, what happened with his daughter was so harsh and forced. I turned it off when that happened (having watched about 25 minutes prior to that.)

Didn't feel like a funeral.

 

[mafia_boy]

mafia_boy - You're more than welcome to come to my funeral.

Sweet, I've got that front pew booked to make sure I'm closest to the screen when we LAN up!! 👍 And I'd make sure that each person at 'The Elf' had their own front row pew with 22" LCD screen and G25 hooked up infront of them.

I'd rather it wasn't organised by someone who I hate and filled with "celebrities" singing at my coffin while my daughter is forced, by estranged family, to cry down a microphone in front of the known universe. But hey, them's the breaks.

Paris (the daughter) had to cry, but it's not great when Aunty Janet tells her to speak up more! The Celebs were the usual poser crowd trying to gain more spotlight from an already dimmed out candle which was sad to see....especially Usher. I almost revoked his male membership card with the way he broke down! Appalling!

 

[Danny]

Got to agree

Of course you do, Nigel. It's Famine.

If you're all done spreading your collective bile, it was not a funeral! It was a memorial service for people in his life to share their memories and thoughts. Paris did a brilliant job, and do you really have proof that she was forced to do it? She'd have broken down whether she chose to do it or not. Perhaps it's the non-bitter, non-husk side of me that sees the family being with her as support rather than some mob out to force a little girl to speak.

 

[Kelly]

I've stayed out of this thread up to now, some of the comments here are not very nice at all.
I grew up listening to MJ and I've always liked his music (even the later stuff)

I do not believe he molested any children and neither did a court of law with a 12 strong jury.

The memorial yesterday was more sombre than I would have liked it to be, and I did for the first time since his death shed a tear or 2 at the end of "will you be there"

And to me it looked like Janet was going to speak but Paris wanted to speak instead, I don't think she was forced.

I think those of you who haven't got anything nice to say should just say nothing.

 

[Famine]

If you're all done spreading your collective bile, it was not a funeral!

There was a coffin, front centrestage, with a dead guy in it. Last two funerals I've been to were quite similar.

Paris did a brilliant job, and do you really have proof that she was forced to do it?

And to me it looked like Janet was going to speak but Paris wanted to speak instead, I don't think she was forced.

Well... it looked like it to me and several people I've spoken to about it... Proof is kinda difficult, but I can only call it how I see it - as can you.

How I saw it was that Janet was very eager to keep Paris's mouth and the microphone aligned (though facial cues are hard to read when someone's wearing sunglasses indoors). Paris tried to turn away once and was "encouraged" back by the wall of Jackson behind her. It's almost as if they wanted to revel in her grief...


I also thought it was a little odd that after years of Jackson protecting his kids' identities by covering their faces whenever they were in public, their current guardian chose not to continue with this...

I've stayed out of this thread up to now, some of the comments here are not very nice at all.
I grew up listening to MJ and I've always liked his music (even the later stuff)

I do not believe he molested any children and neither did a court of law with a 12 strong jury.

Though people have commented on this during the thread, the topic isn't really about that.

However, it's not unfair to say that in that case, Michael was found not guilty of the offence for which he was tried - and that in other cases he was never tried for any offence. Unless there is a specific topic for it, I won't go any further down this particular path.

I think those of you who haven't got anything nice to say should just say nothing.

That's not how the Opinions forum works - and so long as people don't get abusive (or break the AUP in any other way) they can say what they wish, regardless of whether it's nice or not. I get that it's a topic you might have an emotional attachment to, but this isn't a barrier to other people who might not saying what they think.