MLS Anyone?

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  1. HighSeasHoMastr

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    Well, after watching my Sounders fall an embarrassing 6-1 in Mexico, I have some thoughts about how and why MLS teams struggle so much against Mexican clubs.

    Hopefully we can bounce back and get a result against Toronto. I have to admit, I hoped that we'd be facing a side demoralized by a loss to LA instead of one energized by a win, but what can you do?

    So, earlier I said that I had some thoughts on why MLS teams struggle so much against Mexican clubs in international competition. I'll go ahead and explain myself now for anyone who cares to read it.

    At it's very core, I believe that the problem is that many of the better Mexican sides (and thus, the ones that MLS teams play against in the CONCACAF Champions League) play with a style that the MLS doesn't emulate. This means that it's a mentality problem for the teams that play against them, because they're seeing a system from the Mexican clubs that is not one they play against with any regularity. That system is what I call "Complete Football" (note: not the same thing as the Dutch 'Total Football' pioneered by Cruyff et al) and is sometimes called "Building from the back" by other people.

    This Complete system is something that you don't really see in the MLS. It's a style of possession and buildup that involves moving the ball effectively amongst all of your players, including centerbacks and that also incorporates many of the concepts of the Dutch Total Football by allowing the wing defenders to make the overlapping runs and be the extra man in the attack without having to worry so much about leaving their side exposed if possession is lost. This is accomplished by having players who are comfortable dropping and filling positions that are not their native spot, and by having players whose mentality and ability to read the game is good enough that they don't allow themselves to be caught out by these overlaps and coverages.

    Now, some of you may be thinking to yourself "but MLS teams have wing defenders that push up, so how is this different?" And that is true, some MLS sides have a defender or two who will join in on the attack occasionally. However, the key difference here is how those players are involved in the buildup. Most of the time, most of those players will 'be involved' by making an overlap down the wing, hitting a cross into the box, and running back down to get back in position defensively. The difference with the Mexican clubs is that those players are always involved with the attack. They will make the run and hit the cross the same as their MLS counterparts, but they will stay up after the cross is hit in case the option out wide is needed again. They also cut in aggressively if the midfielder or winger is making the wide run and provide the short cut-in pass to change the angle and draw defenders out.

    The other key thing is that when the Mexican sides are possessing the ball in the midfield or a little deeper in their own half, they constantly are using their centerback to give distribution to the wingers to make the run, or to hold the ball up so that their midfielders can reposition around the other team's defenders. The important aspect in this is that the centerbacks are good enough on the ball that they don't have to worry about giving it away cheaply on a loose touch or poorly executed pass. This is something that simply does not happen in the MLS.

    The reason that MLS teams have so much trouble with this style is that they largely run out of ideas on defense when confronted by so many players who can be on the ball. Generally, the wider defenders will try to mark up on the widest midfielder that the other team is playing, so when the other team's wide defender makes the overlap, there's stacks of space for them to run into on the wing. When one of the other defenders sees this, they generally pull out wide to try and close down the space, but no one covers the hole they left which opens up a hole about 10 yards wide for the ball to be played into. This problem is exacerbated by the wide defender dropping the midfielder he was marking to try and shut down the overlapping run that is already being closed down by the defender who pulled over when he saw the space. This leaves the original midfielder free to run into that new space that was created and receive the short cut-in that I talked about earlier, which is generally in a pretty good spot to take a shot from.

    Until MLS sides can come to grips with this, we will keep losing in Mexico. The only reason that we sometimes pull off a win when we play Mexican teams in the US is because Mexican clubs never seem to travel well.
     
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  2. Sach

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    You should use some paragraphs. :tup:
     
  3. HighSeasHoMastr

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    Edited. There was paragraphs before, just no space between them :lol:
    Should be better now :tup:
     
  4. FCB-Rizla-TML

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    Whoo hoo Toronto FC kickin ass in the CONCACAF champions league. So happy to be in the semi finals reaping the MLS
     
  5. Sach

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    Caps and Rapids both 2-0 with none conceded. :tup:
     
  6. gtavcfan

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    Yes, both Seattle and Vancouver won, a bit disappointing with the Dallas - Portland 1-1 draw, hoping for a Timbers victory
     
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    Whitecaps 2-0 including their first road win in MLS :) I'm trying to figure out when I've got a free weekend to buy some tickets, haven't been to a Whitecaps game since they transfered into the MLS.
     
  8. JohnBM01

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    The Dynamo have a great-looking stadium from pictures I've seen on both Facebook and Twitter. Here are some pictures of BBVA Compass Stadium from the Dynamo's Facebook fan page:

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150616812581150.373023.20105631149&type=3

    I personally like Red Bull Arena more as far as newer football (as in soccer) specific stadiums are concerned, but this is a lovely one. It will be even more lovely once the Dynamo start playing their home games out in the new stadium.
     
  9. HighSeasHoMastr

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    What a fantastic job we've had from the ref so far in the Dallas game. 9 on 11 now and its only halftime.
    For me, neither of those should have been red. Maybe the first one, but the second one was incredibly harsh, especially as it was less that 2(!) Minutes after the first one!

    Oh well, at least my Sounders are doing well! Maybe we'll make it past the first round of playoffs this year.....
     
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    Big props to the Toronto FC for going 0-8 to start the MLS season. (Sarcasim) WHAT HAPPENED!?? I don't really care about soccer, however the fact that they kick butt in the concaf championship Then Suck when the MLS Season starts. I don't know the different leagues or championships however i know that when the concaf season starts, Toronto plays much better.
     
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    This Saturday, my Dynamo will be playing their first game in their new stadium- BBVA Compass Bank Stadium. Our new digs will see our pitch will play host to D.C. United.

    Meanwhile, we will be at the New York Red Bulls on Wednesday this week before we come back home for our game on Saturday against D.C. United at our new stadium. It actually starts a home stand for us as we'll be taking on the Portland Timbers on Tuesday next week.


    The Houston Dynamo are currently 7th in the Eastern Division with 8 points. Our current record is 2-2-2.
     
  12. taggles

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    [​IMG]

    Got my season tickets, can't wait for the 12th.

    If you're an avid fan of your local team, definitely consider joining the supporter's section. Last year was a blast and I cannot wait for this season to finally start. :tup:

    Oh, almost forgot, dale Dynamo!
     
  13. gtavcfan

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    I'm going to do the same for next season.
     
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    BBVA Compass Stadium will finally host a Houston Dynamo game this Saturday. Robertson Stadium was a good home field. But it's nice to move on to a pitch the Dynamo can call their own. :tup: I've seen the field in person. It looks awesome! And the Warehouse district is an interesting part of town.
     
  15. HighSeasHoMastr

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    Interesting like "this is a cool place that I probably wouldn't have gone to otherwise" or interesting like "I seriously might get stabbed walking between my car and the stadium" ?
    Because the area that CenturyLink Field (or just 'the clink' :lol:) is in kinda is both :scared:
     
  16. JohnBM01

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    Like I said, I think one of the most beautiful new stadiums is Red Bull Arena, but BBVA Compass Stadium is a great-looking facility. You're not far from Minute Maid Park or the Toyota Center. This new stadium a great-looking facility. I think it will also be the football home of the Tigers of Texas Southern University. You know, the OTHER football.

    We're hosting D.C. United on Saturday night on our new pitch. There might be a chance of rain Saturday night when the Dynamo play in their new stadium. I'm probably going to watch any action on TV if a network besides FOX Soccer Channel (because I don't get that network) or somebody shows the game.
     
  17. sumbrownkid

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    You mean American handball?

    Bad jokes aside, it's nice to see the MLS growing popularity. I'm seeing more and more MLS uniforms over the usual United or Barca gear.

    But coach Jurgen is right about one thing: they need to play more games to stay fit for international play.
     
  18. astrosdude91

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    Doesn't Channel 2 show a lot of the games?
     
  19. taggles

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    This one's on NBC Sports at 3pm. 603 on DirecTV with Arlo White making the call.
     
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    The Dynamo are about to play their first game in their new stadium. Sadly, this game is on NBC Sports Network, a channel that I don't get. So what I am doing is listening to the game on the radio. Here in Houston, that means listening to AM 790.
     
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    We opened BBVA Compass Stadium with a lovely 1-0 win over D.C. United. The man of the match for HOU was Brad Davis's strike in the 67th minute. The Dynamo will stay at home and will host the Portland Timbers this Tuesday night.

    Again- nothing sad than a game televised on a network you don't get. I wished I could have seen this bad boy on ESPN or FOX Sports or something.
     
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    Sounds like there is a chance we may get a team here in Minnesota once the new Vikings' stadium is built.:tup:
     
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    Amazing goal. Also, from about 0:25 to 0:30 in the video, the dude with the bright orange arms is me. :cool:

    BBVA is incredible.
     
  24. JohnBM01

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    Nice one! Maybe the Dynamo will knock down a few more goals in BBVA Compass Stadium when we host the Portland Timbers on Tuesday night.
     
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    Dynamo still unbeaten at BBVA Compass Stadium. We won 2-1 on national TV last night taking on F.C. Dallas. This is much better news than that 3-1 beating we took in Vancouver last weekend.
     
  26. HighSeasHoMastr

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    Well, there was some..... interesting... officiating in the match tonight between my Sounders and Sporting KC. The MLS really needs to get a handle on the officials, they've been the major issue in 3 of the last 3 games I've watched.
     
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    Agreed on the terrible refs. Every game that Baldomero Toledo has reffed for the Dynamo, terrible calls have been a massive issue. For example, Wednesday night vs. Toronto should've ended 3-2 because of the first goal by Toronto being a blatant offsides.

    I wish Garber would talk to the fans, or any other team that is not the Galaxy or Red Bulls.
     
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    I love Brad Davis. Talented all around player, one of the few MLS players with real technique.
     
  29. JohnBM01

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    It was a 4-2 beating we took as the Montreal Impact took out my Houston Dynamo in Montreal this past weekend. I saw a little bit of the match between the Seattle Sounders at the Portland Timbers last night. Seattle won 2-1 (I believe), but some late scuffles resulted in players getting booked with red cards as the game was heading into Stoppage Time. Portland's dead last in the Western division or conference (whatever it's called).
     
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    For the first time, I got to see BBVA Compass Stadium live on TV. My Dynamo took on Eastern Conference leading Sporting KC. We managed to win 2-1 thanks to the stellar performance of Calen Carr. A big part of the game was when one of the Sporting KC players fouled a Dynamo player to get the red card. Sporting KC's goal came after a foul we committed followed by penalty kick.

    I think our record at BBVA Compass Stadium is now 6-0-3 this season. We're hosting Montreal this Saturday night here in H-Town.