Motorsport OMG / WTF moments - Racing Funnies, Fails, Crashes, And Randomness

[ITCC_Andrew]

Look how controlled the oversteer is in the video Clark posted. I'm going to assume it's Walter Rohrl, since that's who Clark mentioned... Rohrl is definitely a better driver.

 

[Clark]

The car isn't going fast enough to overwhelm the rear tyres on long sweeping corners like the spa video. The only other way to drive the 911 in the Spa video without crawling round is to crank loads of lock and create horrendous understeer road every corner.

And between sliding (no drifting) or horrendous understeer, the former is faster in old cars. Hence why people like Jim Clark used to slide the Lotus Cortina, if you didn't it would just understeer like a pig everywhere.

 

[Liquid]

Hey so... let's repeat what McLaren highlighted.

Is it hard to drive, or isn't it?

I take it you've driven many 911 variations extensively and intensively to give us this critical information.

 

[niky]

Fact is, cars that are hard to drive are normally faster when they're not driven beyond the limit of adhesion, and who wants to crash?

Learn slip angles. Then please, study Group B. Then please... learn how to drive something bigger than a lawnmower with a bucket seat.

Seriously, it's not all that great of a video because it's clearly not the fastest driver in that car. He's skidding too much, it seems like a show-boaty driving style, and I can't help but think that he's a slow driver.

Wait, wait, wait... so at first it was a simple Sunday drive... and now he was showboating?

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Keep going. If you contradict yourself a few more times, we might find the secret of perpetual motion.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Hey so... let's repeat what McLaren highlighted.

Is it hard to drive, or isn't it?

I take it you've driven many 911 variations extensively and intensively to give us this critical information.

It's hard to drive fast. Read what Clark said above you.

 

[Furinkazen]

It's hard to drive fast. Read what Clark said above you.

You are just avoiding every question we ask.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Well, to be fair, there wasn't a lot of 911 in the 911 GT1. Especially not after 1996 when they redid most of it and what little was there became "it has the same headlights as the 996."

This, but the Porsche 935 that won countless events all over the world including the 1979 24 Hours of Le Mans was definitely a 911 underneath all that bodywork. 👍

I really wish Walter Rohrl wasn't such a show off, he should concentrate on going fast instead of sliding loads.

And for those who aren't sure, that was sarcasm.

 

[niky]

Plus, the car in the original video qualified 3rd in class and finished 3rd in class in the 2009 Spa Six Hours, the first 911 in both cases, so clearly the driver is incompetent.

Don't forget... he's a slow showboat on a Sunday drive. Or so I hear...

 

[Panoz]

Since this has become a Porsche discussion, here is a another Sunday drive at the Nurburgring in a completely different 911. Same driving style.

 

[Yukon]

The scenery back then looks a lot prettier than todays. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Zenith]

The Porsche 911 is a poor attempt at a racing car? What universe do you live in? The Porsche engineers that build these things have forgotten more about race cars than you will ever learn.

What do you have to qualify your statements? I just see a bunch of inconsistent conjecture that goes against the research and experiences of actual race drivers and engineers, not people who drive karts and make fantasy racing companies.

 

[m8h3r]

The Porsche 911 is a poor attempt at a racing car?

Wow, saw that and didn't even bother scrolling up to see who Zenith was talking about.

 

[TheCracker]

Seriously, it's not all that great of a video because it's clearly not the fastest driver in that car. He's skidding too much, it seems like a show-boaty driving style, and I can't help but think that he's a slow driver.

That's how you have to drive on those tyres. As soon as you turn in and load the weight on them they loose grip, but the loss of grip is very progressive and quite controllable so you work with it. You try to work with the tyres only upto the limit of adhesion, as you would on a slick tyred car, then you are not going to be fast. It looks 'show-boaty' because of the exaggerated angles due to the car's rear engined layout and the narrowness of the 911T's(?) tyres. Wider tyres would mean a higher grip and grip to power ratio, which would lead to less heroics needed behind the wheel (a similar aged 911 2.7 Carrera RS wouldn't require as much 'show-boating' to get the best out of it.)

 

[Furinkazen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOodlmtC2jY (Video title is 🤬 , but the video is also some funny 🤬! )

EDIT: Franz Engstler 0, Circuit Cars 2.

 

[Crowood]

No crash or anything, but an insane qualifing lap of Uwe Alzen in the BMW Z4 GT3 on Nürburgring Nordschleife VLN Layout (Type V in GT5): 8.02:415

 

[Accro2008]

 

[Wardez]

Amazing finish:

 

[Furinkazen]

60 pairs of new pants were readied in the Ardennes after this (french commentary)

 

[Christhedude]

From the 24 hour Nurburgring Porsche Carrera Cup race.

Helicopter footage of me bump drafting the guy infront of me at around 255km/h

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Bump drafting? Dude, you were like two seconds faster in that section alone. If he had given you the [edit: track] position, [edit: to make the pass] you would've taken it and run without problem. 👍

 

[20832]

No crash or anything, but an insane qualifing lap of Uwe Alzen in the BMW Z4 GT3 on Nürburgring Nordschleife VLN Layout (Type V in GT5): 8.02:415

I was at the track as he did that time. The Z4's were absolutly FLYING!

 

[Clark]

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

But, these cars are a little bit less technologically advanced, and don't have any driver aids. The tires and things also have much less grip.
I think it's safe to say that, although there aren't any Mikko Hirvonen-comparison-worthy CRC drivers, all of rallying is definitely a difficult sport.

 

[Furinkazen]

WRC cars don't have driver aids last I checked?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

WRC cars don't have driver aids last I checked?

I've never read the WRC rules. I've read the CRC rules. All I'm saying, is that the CRC cars don't have driver aids. I don't know whether the WRC does or not.

 

[Furinkazen]

Good reason why CRC cars seems slower - they are. Group N spec machines, now WRC R3 category. Built as heavily production based models.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Good reason why CRC cars seems slower - they are. Group N spec machines, now WRC R3 category. Built as heavily production based models.

And, during winter stages, studded tires are not legal in Ontario, and only the provincial/regionals competitors are allowed studded tires in Québec.


Then toss in the lack of WRC differentials, and they're very difficult to drive. That's the only point I'm making. WRC is faster because it's WRC. I'm fine with that. CRC is just as hard to drive, but involves driver control a bit more than driver reactions.

 

[Furinkazen]

And, during winter stages, studded tires are not legal in Ontario, and only the provincial/regionals competitors are allowed studded tires in Québec.


Then toss in the lack of WRC differentials, and they're very difficult to drive. That's the only point I'm making. WRC is faster because it's WRC. I'm fine with that. CRC is just as hard to drive, but involves driver control a bit more than driver reactions.

What....? I just said it's Group N category / R3. WRC is also called category R1. Faster and more challenging to drive...

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

What....? I just said it's Group N category / R3. WRC is also called category R1. Faster and more challenging to drive...

Faster, yes. More challenging to drive, arguably. In which aspect do you think it's harder to drive? WRC allows studded snow tires, I believe, for Rally Sweden, etc., which, in my opinion, makes CRC much more difficult.

Furi, I think you've driven on snow before, right? Would you say it's easy? Especially without studded tires?

 

[Furinkazen]

Faster, yes. More challenging to drive, arguably. In which aspect do you think it's harder to drive? WRC allows studded snow tires, I believe, for Rally Sweden, etc., which, in my opinion, makes CRC much more difficult.

Furi, I think you've driven on snow before, right? Would you say it's easy? Especially without studded tires?

They have a limited set of tyres for Sweden, which is the only pure snow rally in the WRC.

And where did I say I had driven on snow...