Murcielago vs Aventador?

[phil bell]

In one month they *released* 4 premiums

who knows how long they were working on it..

Yeah exactly, which is why Im having some popcorn and an iced drink now reading the bickering on the previous pages.
In all honesty though the OP is right, the Aventador SHOULD be alot faster for all the new tech it has.
Of course I can't test this for myself just yet so Im just a spectator.

 

[peter_vod69]

Proper test: I took both the Aventador and the Murcie around Tsukuba, both full stock. 4 laps each (1 warm-up, 3 timed) no aids (ABS @ 1). Here are the results.

Aventador:
Lap 2) 1:00.813
Lap 3) 1:00.781
Lap 4) 1:01.139

Murcie:
Lap 2) 1:01.532
Lap 3) 1:01.491
Lap 4) 1:01.600

Conclusion: Aventador has better handling. Any complaints?

The horsepower isn't the same so it isn't a fair comparison!!!111one.

 

[smrtb0mb]

To me the Aventador feels like it has more understeer.

Interesting to see such different results here than I got. I was similarly curious to compare them both on Spa, at the same PP. Tuned both to 615pp: full weight reduction, full aerokit at default downforce. Added a bit of power (more to the Murc SV), and they were both within a few HP and kg of each other.

I found the Aventador to be 2-3 seconds slower than the Murc and far less consistent! I also find understeer to be a laptime killer at Spa, so that wasn't helping the Aventador.

Have no idea what tunes would suit them best; if they'd be similar or completely different.

 

[Nismo34]

The horsepower isn't the same so it isn't a fair comparison!!!111one.

Thats why I picked Tsukuba; Horsepower isnt vital there. Its also not a fair comparison adding power to one... This is the most fair way to have conducted the test.

 

[DDAAVVIIDD82]

this is the most fair way to have conducted the test.

+1. Also, something seems to have made the "t" at the beginning of that quote appear as lower case, though it was quoted directly from the previous comment. Same goes for the username. Sorry about that.

 

[Jabberwack]

We all know how "realistic" upgrading a car is in GT5 so "Tuning them to the same PP" to me is completely pointless. The Aventador is made to replace the Murcielago in the Lamborghini saga and it does so excellently, if they are left stock.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

6:07.003


6:10.536

and i'm VERY consistent on the ring, while the Aventador is only a little faster it's much more comfortable when pushing it hard like that, the Murcielago feels like it's going to kill you at any moment.

 

[GTPEarthbound]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68OJ4VSDvBQ">YouTube Link</a>
6:07.003

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GSTfuxs9bg">YouTube Link</a>
6:10.536

and i'm VERY consistent on the ring, while the Aventador is only a little faster it's much more comfortable when pushing it hard like that, the Murcielago feels like it's going to kill you at any moment.

Sounds like the resounding answer is that they are very, very similar and evenly matched(even if there is slight differences)... That's a shame considering it was the only car I'm interested in out of DLC pack 3. May as well save the $5.99 and buy another Murcielago LP 670-4 SV, since I have more credits than I know what to do with(thanks Bob).

 

[SirViper]

RoyaleFatale, i am taking it as those was stock ??

 

[phil_75]

6:07.003


6:10.536

and i'm VERY consistent on the ring, while the Aventador is only a little faster it's much more comfortable when pushing it hard like that, the Murcielago feels like it's going to kill you at any moment.

But you have added AERO to the AVENTADOR!!!

 

[Nismo34]

But you have added AERO to the AVENTADOR!!!

And to the SV...

 

[SirViper]

Aero is on the lago as well

 

[goukipau]

The horsepower isn't the same so it isn't a fair comparison!!!111one.

This is by far the most stupid comment I read lately on the forums.
So does this mean the following? (Im thinking in real life)
Top Gear Jeremy clarckson says to Hammond: 'hey the Aventador hasn't got as many HP as a Veyron, so lets put some in it...', or 'now we cannot compare those....' :S

As for all testers and comparisons made about all different cars, please do make the comparison when the car is stock. You cannot make a comparison when you completely tuned a car and flexed some of the gear settings... Read: That is NO comparison anymore!

 

[SirViper]

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[SirViper]

And RoyaleFatale, you are using the SuperVeloce and the OP was using the LP 640

 

[Ecchi-BANZAII!!]

This is by far the most stupid comment I read lately on the forums.
So does this mean the following? (Im thinking in real life)
Top Gear Jeremy clarckson says to Hammond: 'hey the Aventador hasn't got as many HP as a Veyron, so lets put some in it...', or 'now we cannot compare those....' :S

As for all testers and comparisons made about all different cars, please do make the comparison when the car is stock. You cannot make a comparison when you completely tuned a car and flexed some of the gear settings... Read: That is NO comparison anymore!

Oil change is considered tuning as well.
Online rooms have the possibility to restrict completely stock cars.
That's when the cars should be tested.👍

 

[hol]

I thought I'd check this out myself, after a bit of thought I started the Lamborghini b-spec race with an average bob & a new, untouched aventador. It's definitely seems faster than the murcialago, both in speed & handling.

 

[andyelliot]

I see no reason why you just HAVE to compare stock to stock... For reasons of your own you can bring them closer to "even" if you feel need be, for your own liking/science project.

I find this discussion interesting because I am in limbo about buying the DLC pack and like to hear what people say about it before I throw my hard earned money at a game. To bad it was derailed before it began.

Back on subject.. When you slightly tuned the LP670 to keep up with the LP700 were the performance points(pp) the same?..

Reason I asked is because 99 out of 100 races I race now are governed by the pp system and on a circuit(with turns)... & For my case I see no reason why stock vs. stock would yield me the information I'm most desiring, more than two cars lightly tuned to the same pp would(it would be a better comparison for your audience, in this case, me... As I'm WAY more likely to be driving two cars tuned to the same pp vs. the two cars in stock fashion). Anyone else share my interest?

So comparing a ford fiesta that's been topped up to an imprezza at stock would be an accurate measurement? It's like comparing a spitfire plane with a big rocket engine to a f15 fighter. Totally worthless.

 

[Nismo34]

ThAs for all testers and comparisons made about all different cars, please do make the comparison when the car is stock

Proper test: I took both the Aventador and the Murcie around Tsukuba, both full stock. 4 laps each (1 warm-up, 3 timed) no aids (ABS @ 1). Here are the results.

Aventador:
Lap 2) 1:00.813
Lap 3) 1:00.781
Lap 4) 1:01.139

Murcie:
Lap 2) 1:01.532
Lap 3) 1:01.491
Lap 4) 1:01.600

Conclusion: Aventador has better handling. Any complaints?

This is what I've done. So far, I am one of the few that has actually tested them both untouched...

 

[andyelliot]

And just to keep this in perspective this is a game.

 

[GTPEarthbound]

So comparing a ford fiesta that's been topped up to an imprezza at stock would be an accurate measurement? It's like comparing a spitfire plane with a big rocket engine to a f15 fighter. Totally worthless.

No Andy... Quit playing dumb, unless that's all you can do. A fiesta and an imprezza are not the same manufacturer, don't have the same motor, don't look identical, and have the same basic specs'. As for your other comparisons, they only make YOU look more stupid. 👎

My suggestion was that the OP has the right to conduct his experiment the way he wants. If he feels he wants to even them up, he can.

Who's to say stock vs stock is the fairest and best comparison(if YOU wanna do that YOU can, & then bring your results here and add a worthwhile post to the conversation, rather than look like a fool, OR you could create your very own thead[gotta love free will])...??

Yeah it would be the best to compare the two cars @ stock(for stock vs stock). If you noticed that's not what he was doing. Thought we got over this 2 pages ago.

Glad Thomas Edison or Albert Einstein didn't heed the advise of dim-wits like you while conducting their experiments. We'd probably still be living in the dark ages.

 

[Nismo34]

Who's to say stock vs stock is the fairest and best comparison(if YOU wanna do that YOU can, & then bring your results here and add a worthwhile post to the conversation, rather than look like a fool, OR you could create your very own thead[gotta love free will])...??

1, I have brought results here and instead of it being acknowledged and discussed, it was attempted to be shot down by a simple "They arent the same power therefore it isnt a fair test" and the thread went back to rambling about how to conduct such a test.

RoyalFatale also displayed results here, they too were infact shot down as they werent stock, thus it wasnt a fair test. If neither way is right, how can we do a test that pleases all?

Yeah it would be the best to compare the two cars @ stock(for stock vs stock). If you noticed that's not what he was doing. Thought we got over this 2 pages ago.

2, I do infact believe this contradicts your "Who's to say stock vs stock is the fairest and best comparison" arguement in the previous paragraph. If you're going to say "Who's to say..." Dont then go and say it. Just makes you look... Well, silly, if you will...

 

[Energizerrr]

I think this is a pointless comparison, unless you go stock vs stock.

It's like saying I tuned an R33 and an R34 GTR to the same weight and horsepower and they were almost the same!

This.
OP, what's the point of your test exactly?
Handling (I know, I read).
So you're saying there's only a 0.3 difference in handling alone? I'd say ok...but it depends on your playstyle. You wasn't pushing enough so that's why you got only 0.3.
Oh and you used Spa? What the...Spa is a horrible test track, it's a descent race track but an awful hotlap/test-track. Put them on the Ring or something else like Deep Forest or Grand Valley...

Anyways, 1 lap 'round my custom track I use for testing.
I didn't hotlap neither of the cars, I was just driving them at my pace with HUD off as I always test cars like that. I used bone stock cars.

Murcielago LP640 - 3:54.587
Aventador LP700 - 3:49.530


Preview of the track I used:

I'm very consistent and I'm fast enough so 5 seconds is a huge time difference to call them "similar".

 

[SirViper]

In my view, he was trying to see the difference in handling between the 2, adding anything to either one effects this, if anything should happen the Aventador (using engine limit) should be brought down to Murcielagos level, not Marcie to Aventador.

He IS trying to compare the handling of the Aventador to Murcielago, so the tador should be brought down, another good way to test this is to completely run the cars out of gas, since they can only go 50 mph, and then go to tsukuba and run them out of gas, all three hairpins are different, and should prove which has better handling, this way no amount of HP can be a factor

 

[Nismo34]

In my view, he was trying to see the difference in handling between the 2, adding anything to either one effects this, if anything should happen the Aventador (using engine limit) should be brought down to Murcielagos level, not Marcie to Aventador.

He IS trying to compare the handling of the Aventador to Murcielago, so the tador should be brought down, another good way to test this is to completely run the cars out of gas, since they can only go 50 mph, and then go to tsukuba and run them out of gas, all three hairpins are different, and should prove which has better handling, this way no amount of HP can be a factor

Again, too many variables, and who is actually going to do that many laps of Tsukuba to run the tank dry for 1 car let alone 2...

The only way handling will be different is if they are run with stock power, stock tyres, stock everything at normal race pace. Any other method of testing and you alter the outcome of the test.

This.
OP, what's the point of your test exactly?
Handling (I know, I read).
So you're saying there's only a 0.3 difference in handling alone? I'd say ok...but it depends on your playstyle. You wasn't pushing enough so that's why you got only 0.3.
Oh and you used Spa? What the...Spa is a horrible test track, it's a descent race track but an awful hotlap/test-track. Put them on the Ring or something else like Deep Forest or Grand Valley...

Anyways, 1 lap 'round my custom track I use for testing.
I didn't hotlap neither of the cars, I was just driving them at my pace with HUD off as I always test cars like that. I used bone stock cars.

Murcielago LP640 - 3:54.587
Aventador LP700 - 3:49.530


I'm very consistent and I'm fast enough so 5 seconds is a huge time difference to call them "similar".

More results. Are we going to find a reason to shoot this down or are we actually going to acknowledge and discuss this?

 

[SirViper]

but then using time difference as a measure of which car turns better is pointless as one car will be able to get out of the corners faster, faster acceleration / higher top speed, how is that a measure to base which one turns better

 

[Energizerrr]

Murcielago felt great, had to countersteer like crazy and it was wild but enjoyable in a true Lamborghini fashion.
Aventador was, well I still got that high speed slide that I love from Lamborghinis but the car feels so much more managable and, well easy to correct. It's not a GT-R but it's a far cry from LP640 that's for sure.

LP640 is much more fun, LP700 is just incomparably faster.

 

[Nismo34]

but then using time difference as a measure of which car turns better is pointless as one car will be able to get out of the corners faster, faster acceleration / higher top speed, how is that a measure to base which one turns better

Handling is relevant to grip. Grip is relevent to how fast you can get out of/in to the corner. Handling is relevent to how fast you can get out/ in to the corner. More grip = faster cornering speed as well. Cruising at 50mph ruins the corner speed so you can only do 50mph through the corners. Thats not a test of handling. Not completely anyway. Not accurately...

 

[Energizerrr]

The point is you can't put handling into numbers, handling isn't something you can measure. Grip you can measure handling you can not.

 

[SirViper]

1.You dont have to sit there and run the gas out running around the track, you could simply put the nose to the wall and tie the joystick up to get the gas flowing, sure will still have to wait for the gas to drain.

2. If i was able to get the DLC i would and do the test myself.