Murcielago vs Aventador?

[SirViper]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRR sooooooooooooooooo close, crys

 

[SirViper]

i dont wanna wait 3 weeks LOL

 

[GTPEarthbound]

Yes, that would be the only way to get an accurate comparison out of the two, stock.

I fixed your comment, since I know you are tired and that's what you meant. 8) You're welcome.

As for the poor, oft-picked on OP.. I still see no reason that your original test was an invalid test of suspension. Yes speed-wise, you gave the Murcielago an advantage, but not while taking corners.. Which making them enter and exit at closer to the same speed would be MORE accurate to compare, than stock vs stock. No reason why an air filter and an oil change would make the testing obsolete. Thank you.

On to better things. (still not buying the DLC)... Thank for your insight OP!

 

[Nismo34]

I fixed your comment, since I know you are tired and that's what you meant. 8) You're welcome.

As for the poor, oft-picked on OP.. I still see no reason that your original test was an invalid test of suspension. Yes speed-wise, you gave the Murcielago an advantage, but not while taking corners.. Which making them enter and exit at closer to the same speed would be MORE accurate to compare, than stock vs stock. No reason why an air filter and an oil change would make the testing obsolete. Thank you.

On to better things. (still not buying the DLC)... Thank for your insight OP!

But you add acceleration which alters the way the car behaves on the throttle through the corner, thus why it affects handling and therefore results in an Inaccurate test.

And in context, the correction wasnt actually needed as it was clear I was referring to your comment about testing them stock. Had it been unclear what was being referred to, yes, your correction would be.... Well, correct.

 

[GTPEarthbound]

But you add acceleration which alters the way the car behaves on the throttle through the corner, thus why it affects handling and therefore results in an Inaccurate test.

And in context, the correction wasnt actually needed as it was clear I was referring to your comment about testing them stock. Had it been unclear what was being referred to, yes, your correction would be.... Well, correct.

Ok brainiac, well forgetting the word "the" and putting "2" instead of the correct wording "two"(unless you were talking about a numeral, but I thought we were talking about TWO different cars) wasn't exactly needed, but the word "stock" was, since it is what you were referring to(just to clarify to all those who may only read your frivolous post).

Me on the other hand have no real intention on ever driving either of the two cars stock, so don't really care about all this stock vs stock argument. OP did it his way, not that it was perfect, but good enough for me. If you want to make a better comparison then by all means, please do so(in your own thread or here, without being a troll).

That being said, I appreciate all the worthwhile posts comparing the two cars. Especially the shmo comparison(and thanks for letting me know it has 7 gears)... To me it clarified exactly what I was going for: that with a good tune, the Murcielago SV is every bit the car the Aventador is. I don't like cars that are drab and easy to drive so the Murcielago is more my style anyway. Thanks.

Btw, shmo brought me more worthwhile info than 90% of the posts in this thread. No thanks to all the trolls, I'm still not paying $5.99 for 1 car I want, that is basically another form of a car that's in the game already, twice. Very useful info OP, viper, shmo, royale. A lot of reading through the all the bickering to get the info a DLC pack 3 non-owner had been looking for.

Could anyone tell me if the weight distribution is the same on the Aventador as the Murcielago(42/58 if I remember correctly)? Thanks.

 

[SirViper]

I would agree to a point on them being the same, BUT i have not driven it myself, i can only go by whats said here and the times posted, Personally i (like the OP) would expect it to be better, and nothing i have seen so far would change my mind on that, but it has effected the overall posibility of it being just slightly better.

Nismo posted his times in a stocked version (no offense meant by this) But i beat his time on the first lap and had 13 laps (between the 3 lap run and the ten lap run) all in the 41.xxx's. Though he did say it was 3am where he is, I (like many people) know Lamborghinis, Ive grown up following the company, from the Muira, the Countach, Even the Countach QVx (which most people never heard of). Lamborghini is a different car altogether, Out the cars in the game i can feel when i attempt to push the car, and results will show, while the Lambo's are the opposite, i drive them better when not pushing. My final conclusion will come after i have a chance to drive it myself

 

[phil_75]

Failed post - face palm

 

[SirViper]

Phil_75 Monza is also straights, sure there are some turns but the Aventador will (we already know) beat the Murcielago when there is room to accelerate, the question is which one handles the turns better, this is why tracks like Tsukuba and Autumn Ring Mini was use, due to the higher turns and few acceleration points

 

[SirViper]

to further the test of the Murcielago LP 640-4 I went and upgraded parts to get the HP up to 651 (+40 HP) Lap times was
1)41.157
2)41.559
3)41.157
4)41,465
5)41.316
6)41.406
7)41.089
8)41.059
9)41.056
10)40.940
Average 41.220
Average Stock was 41.392

And if i am not mistaken the OP added more HP then i did, as far of the handling went it still slid, as you see in the first few laps i had trouble with it but as soon as i got it under controll, 4 straight laps about .1 difference. As soon as i am able to, i will get the DLC and test the Aventador.

 

[Nismo34]

Alright, Earthbound, now that you have what you're looking for, you can stop giving me the failed English lesson and leave us to collect our data our way.

Viper, 0.172 difference between the averages of stock/non-stock... Thats a decent gap...

 

[JustBecauz]

The logic used of the original test by the thread maker :

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

the only thing was done to Murcielago was some Cats and Air filter parts installed to put them both on ruffly the same power level, only 40-50 hp gain, it's irrelevant!



If this discussion is not in your taste, that doesn't make me fail, i have a valid point!

no you don't you are testing a tuned versus a stock car , = FAIL

 

[peter_vod69]

Thats why I picked Tsukuba; Horsepower isnt vital there. Its also not a fair comparison adding power to one... This is the most fair way to have conducted the test.

This is by far the most stupid comment I read lately on the forums.
So does this mean the following? (Im thinking in real life)
Top Gear Jeremy clarckson says to Hammond: 'hey the Aventador hasn't got as many HP as a Veyron, so lets put some in it...', or 'now we cannot compare those....' :S

As for all testers and comparisons made about all different cars, please do make the comparison when the car is stock. You cannot make a comparison when you completely tuned a car and flexed some of the gear settings... Read: That is NO comparison anymore!

How about next time, you turn your sarcasm detectors on folks. Of course Tsukuba would emphasise any low-speed handling differences.

AND AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD I POINTED OUT THE STUPIDITY OF THE OP'S COMPARISON.

 

[SirViper]

Alright, Earthbound, now that you have what you're looking for, you can stop giving me the failed English lesson and leave us to collect our data our way.

Viper, 0.172 difference between the averages of stock/non-stock... Thats a decent gap...

Yeah, The 40 HP extra showed as well, its was harder to remain on the line for the stock version, had to adjust the line to fit the power it had which for surely shows in the last part of it, that average should drop with the 40 extra HP as well

Sputnik, exactly what did you do to the Murcielago when you did your test?

 

[salikriaz]

I did the same test as Sir Viper. this was my first time in the murcielago so don't make fun of me.. i did two 10 lap sessions on Autum Ring Mini. the first time i was getting high 48's...i could not stop that car from sliding all over the place! this was with no aids and everything stock, including the tires. by the end of the first session i had high 45's. i didn't record these.. too embaressed... the second session i started getting a hang of it:
42.824
43.858
42.531
42.153
45.376(over condfident)
43.796
49.518(...)
43.741
42.944
42.816

 

[Nismo34]

Yeah, The 40 HP extra showed as well, its was harder to remain on the line for the stock version, had to adjust the line to fit the power it had which for surely shows in the last part of it, that average should drop with the 40 extra HP as well

Sputnik, exactly what did you do to the Murcielago when you did your test?

Oh, for your test, did you use aids?

And is it possible you could do the Stock vs Tuned comparison around Spa?

 

[SirViper]

no can not do spa, did not get the DLC, only one i had enough for is the SSR X, would go to the time trial option but the 493 HP limit would kill it

 

[Nismo34]

Alright, well could you do the Stock vs Tuned comparison at Tsukuba?

 

[SirViper]

sure, will do it later tonite

 

[SirViper]

Tsukuba Curcuit - Murcielago LP 640-4 (Stock 10 Laps)

1) 1:00.773
2) 1:00.671
3) 1:01.315
4) 1:00.698
5) 1:00.491
6) 1:01.047
7) 1:00.901
8) 1:01.052
9) 1:00.892
10) 1:01.272

Average 1:00.911

Tsukuba Curcuit- Murcielago LP640-4 (40 added HP)

1) 1:00.978
2) 1:00.217
3) 1:00.222
4) 59:992
5) 1:00.426
6) 1:00.313
7) 59.889
8) 1:00.084
9) 1:00.344
10) 1:00.315
Average 1:00.278 (0.633 Difference)

 

[phil_75]

SPA Fastest Laps:

1. Murcielago SV 2.34.152
2. Aventador 2.34.227
3. Murcielago 2.37.713

Grip Real, All aids off (ABS 1), Totally Stock, SH Tyres. DS3 User.

 

[SirViper]

once i get my tax refund ill be getting every DLC, just have to wait a few weeks

 

[SirViper]

Phil, there is alot of time left on the track, you are driving them at 600+ Hp, I have a time of 2:34.750 at 493HP (only way i could possible get to the track is on seasonal) Just letting you know, not saying anything bad

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

would a b-spec driver produce a more accurate test? or do they pretty much drive the same speed regardless?

 

[phil_75]

Phil, there is alot of time left on the track, you are driving them at 600+ Hp, I have a time of 2:34.750 at 493HP (only way i could possible get to the track is on seasonal) Just letting you know, not saying anything bad

Yes, only did like 4 or 5 laps each but its keeping the power under control (another215bhp!) and seasonals aren't using real grip!

Some one else try see what they get in practice mode!

I'll try the seasonal!

Edit: As I thought Grip is not real, the car is much easier to handle with only 493bhp, did 3 laps, best 2.36, I could get 2.34 maybe at a push but I could certainly improve.

Was your car totally stock, no aero or other parts?

 

[SirViper]

I believe it has the Aeros. parts im not sure, i know the car has them. but do not know exactly what i have on it, or if the engine or weight reduction was used, im on the PS3 doing this, running test and repairing bad sectors on my mothers HDD on my computer, will get that info as soon as i can.

 

[SirViper]

I did try it with the LP 640-4, and i know i did not use and parts that would increase HP, used the limiter to get it down to 493HP, trans,suspension and drivetrain parts was installed, aeros as well, was doing about 2:35.000ish
Weight reduction was done as well

 

[phil_75]

How can you compare stock v tuned then anyway! Try it with totally stock car (oil change only) with Sport Hard tyres here:

Seasonal > Dream Car Race > SPA lets you have up to 750pp so you can take an Aventador there with out limiting, stop and wait 40 secs when race starts so other cars are out the way.

Just did 2.32.1 proving there is a difference between Practice (Real grip) and Seasonal!!!

 

[DDD4175]

Not that i'm complaining about Aventador, i love the way it is, but!

Testing both cars i get ruffly the same lap times, i hope you're aware of Aventadors new suspension technology and that it is much better than Murcielago handling wise!

Testing on SPA with a bit tuned Murcielago LP640 to 699HP i lap 2.16.5xx and with stock Aventaror with 715HP i lap 2.16.3xx (the gap within a margin of error, so i would say they are the same), cosidering 15HP difference and Aventador being 100 kilos lighter, i thought it would be a larger gap. Also physically, Aventador does not feel any sharper in turns than Murcielago!

Note: Muscielago was tuned to match Aventadoe's power, for handling test only!

What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyF-8Bkn6JI

You don't get it. Tuning up cars is suppose to make the car better in many ways, try a stock vs. stock comparison and you will see the difference

 

[Nismo34]

You don't get it. Tuning up cars is suppose to make the car better in many ways, try a stock vs. stock comparison and you will see the difference

You are 7 pages late for the "Its an invalid test, you should have done stock v stock" argument, buddy.