Murcielago vs Aventador?

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Nismo34
Handling is relevant to grip. Grip is relevent to how fast you can get out of/in to the corner. Handling is relevent to how fast you can get out/ in to the corner. More grip = faster cornering speed as well. Cruising at 50mph ruins the corner speed so you can only do 50mph through the corners. Thats not a test of handling. Not completely anyway. Not accurately...
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But speed is a factor which is produced by the HP, if one car can gain .1 secs on a straight away how is it possible to use lap times as an example of which one turns better
 
just FYI my comparison was basically which one has the most potential, or which will get you around the track faster at the end of the day fully modded, not a stock vs stock comparison.
 
Energizerrr
The point is you can't put handling into numbers, handling isn't something you can measure. Grip you can measure handling you can not.
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No, but we can get rather close. If a car handles better, it will turn in better, hold the line better, corner faster resulting in a faster lap time which is as close as we can get to determining which handles better. We may not be able to do a full accurate handling test and get a number value regarding how well it handles, but we can make do with what we've got, which really isnt all that bad...

SirViper
But speed is a factor which is produced by the HP, if one car can gain .1 secs on a straight away how is it possible to use lap times as an example of which one turns better
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Thus why for my test, I used a course with the least ammount of full throttle time (Tsukuba Circuit) Yes you do have a point, HP does give an advantage but we can at least minimise this advantage by using tracks with minimal throttle time. Using Spa (One of the highest average speed tracks on the F1 calender) or similar will certainly show lop sided results.
 
well OP had the LP 640, RoyaleFatale used the LP 670, IMO the LP 670 SV is nothing more then then a suped up, trimmed down, aero'd version of the LP 640, Since we are comparing Aventador (First Model) then we should use the First model of the Murcielago (LP 640)
 
SirViper
well OP had the LP 640, RoyaleFatale used the LP 670, IMO the LP 670 SV is nothing more then then a suped up, trimmed down, aero'd version of the LP 640, Since we are comparing Aventador (First Model) then we should use the First model of the Murcielago (LP 640)
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Exactly. Its a suped up Murcielago with bodykit.
 
Test #2. Autumn Ring mini. Aventador LP700-4 Vs Murcielago LP640-4. Both Stock, sports hard tyres. 3 laps each

Aventador:
1) 0:41.828
2) 0:41.832
3) 0.41.791
Average lap: 0:41.82X

Murcielago:
1) 0:42.148
2) 0:41.852
3) 0:42.535
Average lap: 0:42.18X

Conclusion: Aventador has better handling.

As can be seen in the lap times, it was alot harder to be consistent with the Murcie. It is very quite tail happy for an AWD.

Next row of complaints?
 
Nismo34
:banghead: Again, too many variables, and who is actually going to do that many laps of Tsukuba to run the tank dry for 1 car let alone 2...

The only way handling will be different is if they are run with stock power, stock tyres, stock everything at normal race pace. Any other method of testing and you alter the outcome of the test.

More results. Are we going to find a reason to shoot this down or are we actually going to acknowledge and discuss this?
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Yeah.. Good luck with this crew.

Oh, well this comparison has driver error...

...That's not a decent track to compare cars on.

... You can't possibly compare those two non-stock cars.

... Jeremy Clarkson wouldn't do it that way.

... Well you farted during that run, so your stats are invalid.

Tired of this frivolous bickering.. If I wanted that I'd drive up to the local nursing home and listen to old women argue while watching "the view"..

About my comment saying stock vs. stock is the best way to compare exactly that is exactly what I meant. The thread title isn't stock Murcielago verses stock Aventador. If so then yes, there is only 1 way too compare the two... In THAT case. Well conversely so the only way to compare a Fiat 500 and a Bugatti is stock.!?... Please don't add HP to the Fiat, that would be invalid. Lmao
 
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AVentador going by those times i would say handles better, seeing for the simple fact there is no jump, just a 0.041 difference between time for the Aventador and 0.683 diffrence on the murcielago, ive done a fue lap around using the lago and getting high 41's to mid 42's (wish i could get the DLC)
 
Yea, the Aventador was very easy to drive compared to the Murcie. I was struggling to keep the Murcie from drifting the whole track. The only downside to the Aventador (That I've found) is it has a large ammount of understeer under brakes...
 
Wonders what it would do with a proper tuning, once i get the money from taxes i will be getting it, but that isnt for another 2 3 weeks, ill try the Lago out on AU Mini see what i can do :)
 
i have
1) 41.351
2) 41.397
3) 41.126

Using the Murcielago LP 640-4 on Autmun Ring Mini (this buying the car climbing in and straight to the track)
 
Ok, so it is 3am so my times may not have been the quickest :lol:. I'll redo the test after some shut-eye.
 
Sputnik
Not that i'm complaining about Aventador, i love the way it is, but!

Testing both cars i get ruffly the same lap times, i hope you're aware of Aventadors new suspension technology and that it is much better than Murcielago handling wise!

Testing on SPA with a bit tuned Murcielago LP640 to 699HP i lap 2.16.5xx and with stock Aventaror with 715HP i lap 2.16.3xx (the gap within a margin of error, so i would say they are the same), cosidering 15HP difference and Aventador being 100 kilos lighter, i thought it would be a larger gap. Also physically, Aventador does not feel any sharper in turns than Murcielago!

Note: Muscielago was tuned to match Aventadoe's power, for handling test only!

What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyF-8Bkn6JI
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There is simply no comparison, you modified the power in the murcielago which will give better response in the acceleration regardless.

PLEASE NOTE: THIS WILL ONLY WORK IF BOTH CARS ARE STOCK
 
D-Max
There is simply no comparison, you modified the power in the murcielago which will give better response in the acceleration regardless.

PLEASE NOTE: THIS WILL ONLY WORK IF BOTH CARS ARE STOCK
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Yes, Jimmy, we've covered that. You're about 4 pages late :lol:
 
Ok I think I am the perfect person to compare these two since I have driven them each stock and tuned for a considerable amount of time. Also idk how to spell their names properly and my phone spell check doesn't correct them so hopefully it's close enough.

The murcelgio stock is insane to drive. It took me a very long time to make a good tune for this car. It felt like the Enzo to me with its understeer and oversteer. Every little change would make something better yet another problem much worse. Finally I made a tune that solved the problems although it would spin out on tracks like daytona. I kept trying to make this demon car into something that could be used everywhere and refused to stop until it was perfect. One day I changed a few settings to something I wouldn't normally do and it worked better. Than I changed it a little more and after months of trying I nailed it. Works perfect everywhere and is scary fast too.

The avendor is similar but very different all the same. Stock it was a lot easier to drive and you didn't have to worry about anything crazy happening unexpectedly. It still had a lot of understeer tho, but solving that is much easier than solving how to tune out understeer and oversteer. Same process of driving and tuning making small changes throughout. The main thing with this car I found was small tweaks made no difference and you need to make much larger changes to really notice any differences. What I really like about this car tho is the 7 gears. It's low torque isn't a problem since you are always in high revs which means fast acceleration and top speed without having to worry about burning up the tires. I made a tune much quicker for this car as it is easier to drive, but even after loads of testing it's not as good as what I expected.

Overall if you were going to get one stock the avendor is the better car easily since it literally is better in everyday and you don't have to worry about random understeer or oversteer. However once tuned its a different story. Both are pretty similar and it is tough to choose between them. I have been driving the avendor a lot lately since its new, but I still prefer the mercelegago. I actually prefer the normal mercelegago to the SV version. It just makes driving feel so easy and slow than you look at your lap times and they are blisteringly fast. I drive around a corner going putt putt speed look down at the speedometer and it's like 150mph. Lap times are more how you drive with these cars since they are so similar. Fast and amazes me every time to me makes the mercelegago the better car.

I have both tunes in my garage if you would like to compare them for yourselves.
 
K, just did a ten lap session
1) 41.126
2) 41.388
3) 41.626
4) 41.731
5)41.458
6)41.019
7)41.260
8)41.414
9)41.826
10)41.076
Hows that for consistency LOL
 
shmogt
(Nothing but a plug to Team Shmo Tuning Garage)
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:lol: You really do like to promote yourself whenever you can, dont you, Shmo?

As much as your input is appreciated, right now we are looking for hard data not really a how to guide to fix them. If you would like to hit the track and run 10 laps in each, full stock, you would help a bunch.
 
Nismo34
:lol: You really do like to promote yourself whenever you can, dont you, Shmo?

As much as your input is appreciated, right now we are looking for hard data. If you would like to hit the track and run 10 laps in each, full stock, you would help a bunch.
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I did asshole in each car. I said stock avendor wins since it is faster, better handling, and just easier to drive. However once tuned is where the real comparison comes into play and I find the mercelegago the better car with lap times more about how you drive. You can do the test yourself with the exact tunes I used if you want that's all I'm saying.
 
shmogt
I did asshole in each car. I said stock avendor wins since it is faster, better handling, and just easier to drive. However once tuned is where the real comparison comes into play and I find the mercelegago the better car with lap times more about how you drive. You can do the test yourself with the exact tunes I used if you want that's all I'm saying.
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Dude, chill, I was simply saying that right now we are looking for stock times for an accurate stock comparison, dont attack me for it, sheesh. Without actual data to look at, you saying the aventador is faster is basically saying unicorns are real. They may be, but without proof, you've got no leg to stand on. Me and Sir viper have run times and Right now he's already beat my Aventador time in a Murcie so what we need to do is collate as much data as we can to do a nice accurate comparison and reach a final conclusion.

SirViper
yeah where someone coould borrow it
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Aight, add me, I'll put her up for share.
 

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