Muscle cars Suck

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Vote On Muscle Cars

  • They are great

    Votes: 48 77.4%
  • Sound nice but suck

    Votes: 13 21.0%
  • Completly ****

    Votes: 1 1.6%

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Originally posted by James1985
Ferrari 365 (352hp) 0 to 60 5.5 secs top speed 174mph

Of the line u will be of slightly quicker after the first corner the ferrari will be gone

There was no American counterpart to Ferarri in 1970. Apples and oranges, Stupid. You are a moron and the worst thing to happen to this site in a while. I like Ferarris. I like Porches. I like muscle cars. Noe of them suck. Your closed-mindedness and insect-like persistence are annoying.
 
Originally posted by milefile
You are a moron and the worst thing to happen to this site in a while... Your closed-mindedness and insect-like persistence are annoying.

This may be a violation of GTP's AUP and ToS, but I concur wholeheartedley.

Did he REALLY post a VIRUS in response to a "comedy" link? If so, he's lucky not to have received a life ban...
 
i started this thread after reading this thread
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-25197.html

And i read it and it was people raging on about it made racing racing great brought power to the people and all sorts of $hit about how good they. There was hardly a mention of european sports cars in a thread called classics and muscle cars. I like aspects of muscle cars but i dont think they are as good as these people think so i started this thread noing it would be involved in a big debate. You call me arogant just look at the arogance in that thread that muscle cars are very good. Beacuse there is nothing special about them apart from the engines.
I then read some ware in that thread that if it was't for muscle cars like the skyline and supra would not be here. What the fuc! are u talking about. Un belevable as we were in the gt net forum i was talking about them if u would take them to a track or race on the streets as this is a racing game. they had the power but not the control. And i thought they sucked as racing machines as this is a racing games forum. i dont hate them i just said they sucked as track machines and i want them to be in GT4
 
I posted the link????? U posted the link to me but i renamed it what was the point in doing that because u make prople insercure about using this forum and other people will most likly click on it out of curiosty:mad:
 
Why, what a great Idea. Say, a Viper vs. a Clio? Maybe a Z06 vs. an Esprit? Put your money where your mouth is Jimmy.
 
I'd actually put £20 on a Clio V6 slaughtering a Dodge Viper (both stock, road cars)around any closed circuit at all. Remember the Clio V6 is a relatively lightweight MR with a short wheelbase. The Viper is a superb car (especially the first gen ankle burners), but the Clio is "almost-as-quick" (not in relation to maximum speed, but with road cars that often doesn't matter on a track) and has an extraordinary handling ability - Renault are amongst the best suspension engineers in the world (with Peugeot and Lotus).

Z06 vs Esprit (V8 or 350) is less clear. I suspect the Esprit would have the MR handling edge, but would break down half way.

As a qualifier I'd say "except Le Mans", because Le Mans is essentially a collection of vast straights with 4 corners and "except banked ovals" for obvious reasons - although a 185mph Esprit against a "geared for 230mph" Z06 might be interesting even there. In both those situations the Viper would cane the Clio V6 from here to Saturday (unless it is Saturday, in which case, next Saturday).

However, the cars aren't really peers - the Viper is three times the price of the Clio, and FR (to MR) with what, 500hp to 255. The Esprit is 3 times the price of the Corvette and MR to FR.

BTW Just because I think this, doesn't mean I hate muscle cars/think they suck - from my previous posts in this thread you can see I don't, and from my reasoning above you can see it's more than just a irrational idea that fell into my skull.
 
In all my time in the various forums I partake in, I have learned one very valuable lesson:

The only opinions that matter are my own and whoever is making the item/game I want. In this case, Poly for GT4.

I love muscle, so therefore I hope they are in GT4 (especially the Charger and/or Challenger). I also hope the Charger 99' Concept gets in too, as it is nice as well.

To me, I don't care what could beat what in the real world. In the real world I don't race cars, I drive for three hours a day in bumper to bumper traffic. All I care about is what looks and feels cool to me.

Al we can do is wait and see. Poly will do what it thinks is best. I will try to be happy no matter what (and I think I will be).

-Blackfish
 
Originally posted by James1985
Only in the usa u americans must remember that ther are people outside the us

That's the most Asinine statement I have ever heard, Maybe because I am American but still..That was just..dumb..
 
but male pride sets in you all understand.
No one here is going to change any ones Opinion and the only way to sort this out is on track. the poll is slightly bias beacuse more americans use this forum
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-9268.html

i to hope they include muscle cars in the game i would like to see every sports car ever in the game if they could as different cars reqire different styles of driving

All i say bring on the competition in a USA vs Europe car knockout should be interesting. Try and make the cars be close to how much they cost in each others country. Do it in GT4 online mode its only a game but it will be fun.

Any ideas on rule of the competition post them here.



:lol: :lol: :D :D
 
Originally posted by Blackfish
To me, I don't care what could beat what in the real world. In the real world I don't race cars, I drive for three hours a day in bumper to bumper traffic. All I care about is what looks and feels cool to me.

Give that man a medal.

BTW, oddly, I almost bought a Clio V6 230 - the previous generation one as in GT3 (the scary-handling one) - but we couldn't fit any shopping in it.
 
Originally posted by James1985
...the old 1960s and 70s cars look so bad like box on wheals. Very dated low tech cars all brawn and no brains are thos older cars
but that is by european opinion.

YOU ARE THE STUPIDIEST SLIME THE EARTH HAS EVER MET.
dated low tech cars. ahaHAhaHAhaHAaHAHahAHH!!!! they have 25-30 years, dude. and still, look at them. they are still MIGHTY competition for ANYTHING you put against them. yeah, they might not always win, but even the most modern porsche/ferrari/viper/nsx/whatever will have a hard time beating these things up. and these, from cars that are 25-30 YEARS OLD. yes, they were low tech. I might xpect that you think the 959 porsche is low tech too, no???? even when the 959 was a technical marvel back in its day,. but today, oh god, its got no VTEC!!! its a box on wheels!! it isnt slippery!!! oooh, its SOOO dated, dude!!! look, it has no variable boost control!! it has only sequential turbos!!! hahaha what a piece of junk!!! ( supose Im james-some-number, but with grammar thrown in )
So... you need every car you like to be the highest tech you can find? dang. you are SO SAD... they were very high tech for their time. they used the latest technology available. even europe put their eyes in some of that technology. I might point the DeTomaso pantera, with Ford 351 Cleveland power, or the Monteverdi Hai, with a 426 HEMI. oooh, so they had no leather like a ferrari??? well, no, but then again, a Ferrari coukdnt smoke a HEMI, and it costed... 4 times what a HEMI-anything costed back in the day. no technological marvels, huh? then HOW COME they were the most powerfull cars of their time, and also the cheapest?????

Cano

you are a really sad being. dont know if human, but you are sad indeed.
and, as metioned before, ypour opinion its not the eurpoean opinion. even europeans knew that american muscle was good. Europeans are smart. your opinion is that from a stupid. that is all.
 
You're right a Ferrari couldn't smoke a hemi, but then again, a ferrari wasn't built to smoke a hemi, a ferrari was built to beat the living crap out of the track you're racing it on, if a Hemi's on the track, it'll just be collateral damage ;)
 
Originally posted by Driftster
You're right a Ferrari couldn't smoke a hemi, but then again, a ferrari wasn't built to smoke a hemi, a ferrari was built to beat the living crap out of the track you're racing it on, if a Hemi's on the track, it'll just be collateral damage ;)

wrong. neither the Ferrari nor the HEMI-something were built purposefully for track or drag racing. cant we just let stereotypes out?? neither european cars nor american cars ARE track-built OR drag-built. that is stupid. and it has been stated before in this thread that american things made pretty good on the track too, just as ferrari did. but, please, the Ferrari and the HEMI-something were built as street cars. yes, brutal, impressively powerfull street cars at that, but street cars. I am NOT talking about race-versions (it would be an intresting thing to see, tough. an IMSA GTB4 Daytona VS a Trans AM camaro), wich I think was the FIRST mistake commited in this thread. the differences with ANY cars HAVE to be proven on the track? hell no!! because they WERENT meant for the track!! they were meant for the street!!!! they were meant, in the case of the Ferrari (and talking about, say, the Ferrari Daytona) to be some of the fastest, most exclussive cars in the world. in the case of the HEMI-something (all were the same XD) they were built to be extremely fast and quick AND cheap transportation. both of them used the latest technology available at the time in their own styles. Ferrari had multivalve V12s at the time, but still used IDF carbs. Mopar had pushrod stuff, but used some manifold AND head design so moder tne engine was a marvel too. each and every one did impressively well with their purposse. if we settle it up, I dont know who will win. Maybe the HEMI will win some 100-meter distance off the Daytona in the GO, but then again, the HEMI would be hard pressed to hold up to the 170 mph top speed of the Daytona(altpough they reached 160 more or less)... AND, I must say, neither the Daytona nor the HEMI were AS or as LESS talented in curves as you might xpect. they were basically the same design. as always, ferrari will offer exclusivity and quiality that american cars can only dream of. but then again, a Ferrari is a dream to many, but you sure can have a HEMI, with almost the same performance, if not better, for a cuarter of the price. and THAT is WHY I deffend america so much. at least in the performance car segment, to THIS very day. they have always made some great sport cars, muscle cars being one of them. they can compete with anything, for a fraction of the damned cost. is that BAD? well, if it is, you should have plenty of money dude. for me, that is just fine. Ill kick yer Ferraris ass with so much money left :D for mods, so I can ABSOLUTELY kick yer Ferrari's ASS while you are still paying the Conolly leather interior and hand-crafted nonsense.

Cano

blackfish hitted this point when he said that he drives bumper to bumper. that is what these cars we are talking about were designed for. the street, not the track OR the strip. keep them out of there, please. they had their racing versions, wich have been toroughly (and UNIQUELY, as if the race-versions were their top representation, if I might add) discussed. now, lets go for the real thing. the cars, not the cars-based racers.
 
ok are we reffering to "1" particular Ferrari here, because you're reffering to ferrari as a single car. Did I miss something?
 
If Ferraris aren't track-based cars, why are they all tested on a circuit during the R&D phase?
 
I'm just wondering though, cause The whole purpose of the F40 and f50 were to give the public tastes of F1 cars. Now if it's a wanna be F1 car, I don't see how much more "Track -based" you can get.
 
Yes, but we are pulling away from 1960s/1970s Ferraris a bit. Interestingly, Ferrari did a race between the F50 and a 1992 Ferrari F1 car... Let's just say that the F50 is NOT an F1 car for the road :D The recent Ferrari Enzo Ferrari was designed with the help of a certain banana-faced German dwarf and pretty much IS an F1 car on the road.

But as far as I'm aware, all Ferraris since they've had a factory have been driven on the Fiorano test circuit for a few hundred thousand miles to hone their handling. Sounds pretty much like a track-designed car to me... :D
 
if im thinkin of the same banana faced german dwarf famine isnt he still in the lead of the F1 points championship?
 
Famine, don't you think that AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS track test their cars? When they were developing the Neon, Chrysler's team spent lots of time pitting it against the Miata on various circuits, refining the suspension tuning until they could consistently beat it. And that was just for a bargain-bin commuter car, meant to be bought in the millions. Believe me, American drivers like fast cars with good handling too. Europe has its share of Ford Tempos and Chevy Cavaliers, as well.
 
neon - you're inferring conflict where there is none. I made no mention of American manufacturers at all - either on their own or in competition to Ferrari. The post was merely a follow-up to the post that said "Ferrari isn't (sic) designed for the track".

Please read back in the thread to see my position on "cars".
 
Boy, sure is some fierce opinions round' here.

Seems once factor is not being taken into consideration, especially in comparing a Ferarri to any Hemi-equiped Dodge/Chrysler.

The Ferarri is a penultimate sports touring car, costing well over $100,000 minimum (more like $400,000) these days. The Dodge Hemi cars were sporting family cars. Granted back seat access was small and they were indeed modified for drag and other racing, but the original car was for your regular old USA driver.

While I enjoy a Ferarri for what it is, I still prefer the old Muscle cars myself. For one, I think if you took the $300,000 you were going to spend on a Ferarri and instead invest it into a completely rebuilt 1970 Dodge Hemi Charger you would find a VERY interesting thing.

With modern technology, a 1970 Dodge Charger could be built into a world class car with well under the amount it would take to purchase even the cheapest Ferarri. Imagine, you have that much money to use. You could add the most modern brakes, suspention and other tech to the base Charger design. Hell, you could even use a modifed NEW Hemi engine if you like, with all the computerized bells and whistles. The most you'd spend on all this?? Probably in the range of $100,000 or less.

So, for the cost of one Ferarri, you could get yourself a "Modernized" 70' Dodge Hemi Super-Charger that could come close to running with almost any car made. And with your spare change you could get yourself a nice Jaguar S-Type R and a great Land Rover, for those off-road moments.

So, in comparison:

One Ferari vs. Modified Super-Charger + Jag S-Type R + Land Rover = Left Over $50,000 for fun and games.

I know my choice :D
 
Originally posted by James1985
i started this thread after reading this thread
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-25197.html

And i read it and it was people raging on about it made racing racing great brought power to the people and all sorts of $hit about how good they. There was hardly a mention of european sports cars in a thread called classics and muscle cars. I like aspects of muscle cars but i dont think they are as good as these people think so i started this thread noing it would be involved in a big debate. You call me arogant just look at the arogance in that thread that muscle cars are very good. Beacuse there is nothing special about them apart from the engines.
I then read some ware in that thread that if it was't for muscle cars like the skyline and supra would not be here. What the fuc! are u talking about. Un belevable as we were in the gt net forum i was talking about them if u would take them to a track or race on the streets as this is a racing game. they had the power but not the control. And i thought they sucked as racing machines as this is a racing games forum. i dont hate them i just said they sucked as track machines and i want them to be in GT4

****ing whinging pom
 
Originally posted by Blackfish
Boy, sure is some fierce opinions round' here.

Seems once factor is not being taken into consideration, especially in comparing a Ferarri to any Hemi-equiped Dodge/Chrysler.

The Ferarri is a penultimate sports touring car, costing well over $100,000 minimum (more like $400,000) these days. The Dodge Hemi cars were sporting family cars. Granted back seat access was small and they were indeed modified for drag and other racing, but the original car was for your regular old USA driver.

While I enjoy a Ferarri for what it is, I still prefer the old Muscle cars myself. For one, I think if you took the $300,000 you were going to spend on a Ferarri and instead invest it into a completely rebuilt 1970 Dodge Hemi Charger you would find a VERY interesting thing.

With modern technology, a 1970 Dodge Charger could be built into a world class car with well under the amount it would take to purchase even the cheapest Ferarri. Imagine, you have that much money to use. You could add the most modern brakes, suspention and other tech to the base Charger design. Hell, you could even use a modifed NEW Hemi engine if you like, with all the computerized bells and whistles. The most you'd spend on all this?? Probably in the range of $100,000 or less.

So, for the cost of one Ferarri, you could get yourself a "Modernized" 70' Dodge Hemi Super-Charger that could come close to running with almost any car made. And with your spare change you could get yourself a nice Jaguar S-Type R and a great Land Rover, for those off-road moments.

So, in comparison:

One Ferari vs. Modified Super-Charger + Jag S-Type R + Land Rover = Left Over $50,000 for fun and games.

I know my choice :D


AT LEAST ONE ****ING PERSON THAT REALLY GETS IT.
my man, I shall bow down to you and give you the "cano's medal to coolness"

anyway, you are all SAYING it, right???? "its a taste of F1 for the people" "Its a F1 FOR THE STREET". you've made my point without even wanting to. altough they are like F1s, they ARE meant for the street. 'sides, what the hell do F40s and F50s Ferrairs have to do with a 1972 HEMI Cuda? they are NOT 30 years old, right??? dont be as lame as james-something, please. yeah, they tested the Daytona, or if you want, the 250 SWB, or the superamerica, or even the Berlinetta Boxer. yeas, they were ALL track tested, but NONE, even if they were developed in the track (and I include here the F40-F50) were meant for the track. they were meant for the street. and, well, Dodge did prove all those muscle suckers on the track too. yes, they didnt do THAT well, but, then again, neither one of those Ferraris (except of course the F40-50) did THAT good on the track. n that time, suspensions were very basic, and Ferrari WASNT a company with impressive engineeering. it was as high tech as DODGE. YEAH, AS DODGE. they had EXCLUSIVITY, they had crafstmanship, they had ONE dude working on ONE machine. they had leather interiors. they had Borrani wires. but they had almost the same performance ALL-AROUND of a Super bee. difference is that exclusivity costs WAY TOO MUCH. as stated by blackfish... I know my choice if I want a performer :D

Cano

you really hit the nail on that one dude.
 
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