MW3 vs BF3

[a6m5]

I was debating with you?

Okay well BF is awesome because the maps are massive. Not as a shot at MW but you could literally fit 2 or 3 maps from that game in a lot of BF maps. This works though because these huge areas have vehicles to get around them.

There are no kill streak rewards. If you want air support then (you must be playing a map with a chopper) you must get a good pilot and gunner and do it yourself. There is a UAV but it is player controlled. Like a mini helicopter you control from a set station.

Guns have recoil and bullet drop which makes being a good sniper a decent challenge.

There isn't perks like in COD, there are a few but the only one that causes debate for thee most part is magnum ammo which is something of a stopping power and should be taken out. Because of the lack of perks if you need ammo you need a player of the assault class to get it to you. Medics give you health and revive you and engineers fix vehicles and recon (if done right) is great in support and spots players easily.

Almost forgot destructible environments which look very much improved with the new engine for BF3. In bc2 you can blow away a wall or portions of buildings. Take down enough walls and the building crumbles. This is great for eliminating campers and forcing them to move. According to the BF3 MP trailer you can now knock off chunks of buildings at a time which can kill or hurt those in its way.

A lot to take in. If you are repairing vehicles, or are waiting for the medics on this big ass map, how long are the matches? And what type of modes are there to play? Are they mainly like TDMs in CoD games?

 

[slims]

Hahaha you could not be father from the truth.

These are my opinions as those are yours. To me dogs and chopper gunner are the same other than an AI control or player.

People may agree with me or you and to be quite frank I couldn't care less. It's a video game and it's for enjoyment, play whatever you like better.

But in the end I'M RIGHT!!!!....uh oh run from people taking this far to serious. I enjoy a good debate

Dogs and chopper gunner are the same? Speaking abount being farther from the truth.

Honestly man, you say you like a good debate yet you can't even argue your point properly and one of your main arguments is, "I'm right you're wrong.".



EDIT: a6 one thing I found with BC2 is the large maps means sometimes when you die and respawn it takes a bit of time to get back into the action .

Also I don't think BC2 even had a TDM mode. I think the closest thing they had to it was Squad deathmatch where four squads of players fought each other. BF3 will have TDM though.

 

[a6m5]

I think he was kidding about that, slims.

Anyway, we need to move this discussion on forward. I'm genuinely interested in both games, also Counter Strike!

 

[CMvan46]

A lot to take in. If you are repairing vehicles, or are waiting for the medics on this big ass map, how long are the matches? And what type of modes are there to play? Are they mainly like TDMs in CoD games?

Matches are very long. Not unusual to go 40 mins plus. There is rush, conquest, and squad deathmatch (adding TDM to BF3).

Rush is most like search and destroy but with respawns. Attacking team must blow up two "Mcom" stations to advance to next area of map (generally 4 areas). Attacking team loses if they run out of respawn tickets (number of repawns) and defense loses if all mcoms are destroyed.

Conquest is like domination. Capture flags. The more flags your team has the faster the other team's ticket count goes down. First team to run out loses.

Squad deathmatch is 4 squads of 4 playing death match.

 

[a6m5]

40+ minutes..... I honestly don't know whether to be excited about it, or dread it.

Really liking the Squad Deathmatch. At first I thought you said 4 on 4, I damn near gave up on it.

Thank you for taking the time. 👍 Other battlefield fans, keep them coming please.

 

[Rossticles]

MW3 is just going to be the same garbage static environments, same "lost connections to host > changing host > room closed", same prestige garbage to keep you playing something you know you should put down, same weapons, same attachments, same kill streaks, same wallhacks and aimbots, same hacking of the leaderboards. Do I need to continue? The only thing about MW3 I look forward to is the single player story. I hope they wrap it up because I have no desire for MW3 multiplayer.

I can't wait for BF3. They've actually made a new engine for each new release. The Battlefield series also requires actual teamwork to succeed. The only game mode in CoD that requires team cooperation is S&D. Otherwise it's mostly just a bunch of people running around trying to complete the objective solo whatever it is as if they're Rambo then get pissed at their team for not helping. The maps on BF3, BC1 & 2 have all been dynamic which adds a whole new strategy to how the game is played. The maps are also gigantic which is a huge plus. If you camp an artillery shell is going to take that wall down and you're forced to move or die.

Also, BF's online counterpart is free whereas CoD's is paid. I can't recall what each is called. I think the CoD one is called CoD Elite. CoD seems to only care about milking their fans dry.

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, this never gets old. One thing about hacks though, I complain about it in MW2 thread all the time. Having said that, I'm pretty sure it has something to do with everybody is playing the CoD series. If BF series had similar sized player-base, I'm pretty sure you'll start seeing those 🤬 on there, too.

CoD Elite is strictly optional. Map packs to me are worth every penny, regardless of which games it's on, but that's a matter of opinion.

 

[hampus_dh]

Works fine for me. I don't have any friends and I play alone all the time. I work better that way because I'm not busy smack-talking my team-mates.

i doubt you get anything done or you enter servers which 5 year olds are on.

 

[CMvan46]

40+ minutes..... I honestly don't know whether to be excited about it, or dread it.

Really liking the Squad Deathmatch. At first I thought you said 4 on 4, I damn near gave up on it.

Thank you for taking the time. 👍 Other battlefield fans, keep them coming please.

Matches take some getting used to but it is nice that matches can swing in momentum many times in one match.

 

[Patrick]

They also added a TDM game mode in BF3. I assume it's very similar to CoD.

 

[a6m5]

Matches take some getting used to but it is nice that matches can swing in momentum many times in one match.

I think that may be good & frustrating at the same time. Often, we have problems with random teams in MW2, because with random teams, you never know what kind of teammates you end up with. I would say realism is a plus for BF, but I also see the quality of teammates becoming critical in order to win. This is a existing problem area?

Again, I like the realism. Bullets with trajectory is simply money. While I love my arcadey zero-recoil ACR in MW2, I have thirst for little more realistic touch here & there.

I think the only drawback so far is in the team play department. If guys I play MW with were regularly on BF3, this would not be a problem. Then again, I made over two pages of friends in MW2. I'd imagine I'd be making bunch more new friends on BF3.

I hate to do it, but I might have to get both games now. Hmmm....

Edit:

They also added a TDM game mode in BF3. I assume it's very similar to CoD.

Like separately from the Squad Deathmatch? That would be a plus!

 

[CMvan46]

Yep TDM was added to BF3 that was confirmed.

Suprisingly I haven't run into too many overrun games. When it does happen though games are one heck of a lot faster than 40 mins.

 

[Akira AC]

Being an long time COD player and a long time BF player with following record:

COD:
>MW (level 54)
>MW2(Prestige 2,mostly using the M4)
>Black ops(not bother to played online, except the weapon sweeping mode)
>WaW(just war,dont remember the level I just remember to play with MP40 most of the time in "war")

BF:
>1942
>BF2
>BF2142
>BC
>BC2
>MoH(multiplayer)

I will say that I'm more interested on BF3 than MW3,not that I'm saying that MW3 will be better than BF3,but it will be a game for the next generation,I'm aware of the changes that went through the COD series during the last 5 or so years,but the gameplay its complete different in BF,(based on my MoH experience)I will say that gameplay in BF3 will be more balanced and planted(infantry),so allow me to elaborate:

Normally on COD your online skills are determinate mostly by the usage of the quick scoping,one massive problem with it is that its setting value(or at least in 360) is too high,for runners is perfect,and in good matches you can get most of the thrill by using the level design and good use of short range weapons,but then there are snipers,snipers and quick-scoping are a massive problem in online play, because both intervention(MW2) and the R700(COD4) are used as over elaborated shotguns,something that makes the online play really annoying,there is not solution for it due to the setting of the aim assist,Its been said about a lot about weapons balancing and updates fixing this problem but its a core mechanic problem,which cannot be solve without taking the fun out of running.

In Medal of Honor(2010) you had several multiplayer modes develop by dice,these modes used FB1.5 technology(Same as BC2),the thing about its design is that it solves all the problems that exists on COD multiplayer,For what I have seen from BF3 gameplay videos, infantry gameplay will be awfully similar to the one on MoH,the thing about MoH mutiplayer its that it has a minimal amount of quick-scooping,its classes are quite balanced and bullets have their own physics,making impossible to aimboters to use the sniper power as shotguns,apart from that,the level design and game modes are far more entertaining and better planned(specially tactical mission,which is goldrush from BC),so infantry gameplay has a lot of potential(specially on 64 maps like operation metro shown in E3 gameplay,which fortunately is infantry only).

Which brings me to the potential gamebreaker that might potentially spoil the BF experience,the jets,the problem with jets in BF games is that unlike the perks on MW series, the jets don't run out of time,can be repair and re-arm and an skilled pilot can easily achieve 80 kills in a round,the strongest point of BF is the usage of vehicles and the destructible scenery(which in itself also helps the game to be more fluid,avoid camping and makes the players plan better strategies for attack and so on)but the usage of jets is a problem,jets can only be shot down by AA or other jets,an skilful pilot can dodge AA and destroy other aircraft quite easily(specially with the J-10 on BF2),helicopters can be shoot down with conventional RPG but an RPG cannot hit a jet(well it can but it will be a heck of a shoot),but the problem with destructible scenery its the lack of cover from air attacks,I'm not sure how DICE will tackle this issue but I'm pretty sure it will be a horrendous problem with maps that contain aircraft on them.

As I said,I don't think that BF3 will be better than MW3,the problem is that MW3 will be an outdated game compared with BF3,I will buy both games(MW3 mostly for the single player,after all singleplayer has some of the best level design currently on the market) and BF3 once I know If I have to say on my currently location,or I have to move into somewhere else(other country),I've to build a gaming rig for it and I'm still getting my head around that problem.

But,I have to say that BF games are more time demanding,and more stressing when you are not in a good team,COD doesn't have too much effect on this because is more oriented to individual play,while BF is based on teamwork,so If you want something to play in daily nights,play MW3,if you have all weekend free play BF,apart from that,is all up to the person who plays it, I'm personally tired of COD,multipayer in black ops is not as good as MP in MW2,and playing the same maps(8 I think)over and over again gets really tiring(the level design its incredible but after 2 or 3 hours of play for two months they get too repetitive).

With that said,I could not care less about COD elite or BF's thing,I studied them a bit and Elite is just Bungie's Halo 3 web thing,the same can be said about BF's thing,statistics and gameplay data are not as important and noone checks that anyway,what is important is overpowered SP weapons,but as claimers said,new weapons are just mere aesthetic objects with different attributes,but designed to still be balanced during gameplay so for me both things(Elite and BF's thing)are meh.

(I wrote a lot,pretty much bad written but I'm pretty sure that this covers all I wanted to say about both games,in conclusion,I will stick with BF3 infantry maps)

 

[a6m5]

At first I was thinking "this guy's longer winded than me", but actually, your post was very, very, informative. :tup:

Jet things is a concern(crazy. a jet!?), but what is this infantry map? How does that work?

Thanks for the balanced opinion, man. 👍

 

[Icarus25]

Dice hasn't used the same engine for two games yet (unless you include that crap they call Medal of Honor). Plus we don't have killstreaks on this side of the fence WE are the air support. There are no rewards for lone wolfing in BF besides a fancy pin haha.

YET. In time it will happen. And I must have been thinking about MoH when I remembered killstreak things. Admittedly, I don't care for BF. Vehicles are stupid and the destructable environments are more lame than useful. If I want more realism I'll just go play America's Army or something. Granted, BF looks kinda pretty, but lord that tank sequence they showed looked duller than watching paint dry. Not my thing but whatever, let other people enjoy it.

 

[a6m5]

YET. In time it will happen. And I must have been thinking about MoH when I remembered killstreak things. Admittedly, I don't care for BF. Vehicles are stupid and the destructable environments are more lame than useful. If I want more realism I'll just go play America's Army or something. Granted, BF looks kinda pretty, but lord that tank sequence they showed looked duller than watching paint dry. Not my thing but whatever, let other people enjoy it.

But Icarus, do tell us how you really feel! You weren't sold on the buildings and vehicles huh? I must say, I like a lot of what I'm finding out about the Battlefield, but I do wonder how it blends into the game play. As I said, like twice, I hated World at War. But one thing that I did enjoy from the game were the tanks. Ending up on the machine gun did suck pretty bad, but I loved driving it!

I might try to find a used copy of BF2 first. They don't hold their resale value like Modern Warfare, do they?

 

[NLxAROSA]

Not much use in getting a used copy of Battlefield 2, as the online key will have been used. You can still get it original from Steam or Origin though.

As far as the MW3 vs BF3 debate: to me, CoD is a simple shooter, and BF is a complex war game. I prefer the latter. This post I made pretty much sums up my feeling.

 

[a6m5]

Not much use in getting a used copy of Battlefield 2, as the online key will have been used. You can still get it original from Steam or Origin though.

As far as the MW3 vs BF3 debate: to me, CoD is a simple shooter, and BF is a complex war game. I prefer the latter. This post I made pretty much sums up my feeling.

A key? Thanks for the heads up. That was a close one. I don't understand Steam or Origin though.

 

[CMvan46]

Jets aren't as big a deal as the guy above is making them out to be. Only a couple of jets usually flying at a time so your talking about 1 person per team. Yeah they can rack up a ton of kills but you have to be really really good.

 

[hampus_dh]

And Arma 3 is the logical step above BF3 if you want even more realism.

MW series - Need For Speed
BF series - Gran Turismo
Arma 3 - Iracing

 

[BubbleBelly542]

i doubt you get anything done or you enter servers which 5 year olds are on.

Nope I've won a lot of matches and completed objectives without coordinating with anyone. Of course everyone is going for the objective so you get cover and some team work without even asking.

 

[hampus_dh]

Nope I've won a lot of matches and completed objectives without coordinating with anyone. Of course everyone is going for the objective so you get cover and some team work without even asking.

exactly

 

[Icarus25]

But Icarus, do tell us how you really feel!

HA! It wasn't an "OMG that iz t3h sux0r gamez r stewpid 4 having it" sort of comment about BF. It's just sort of meh. Tanks were the only thing I really hated when I played WaW. It felt so disconnected. And sure destructable environments are cool, but at a point it just becomes too much. It's going to excesses just to go to excesses and claim to be better than the competition. I'm sure it will be a quality game, it's just too...bloated...for my tastes. CoD tends to be straightforward and predictable, and quick. A 10 minute match is about my limit. Though, depending on what sort of deals I can find, I may end up getting both games. I've got far too much to buy between September and mid-November as it is, my gaming budget is going to take a massive hit.

 

[StinkyRacer11]

New perks & kill streak rewards changed everything

Then for the following games they took the same perks and renamed them. I have to say that for a time consuming game ill run to the COD series but for sheer epic explosion filled, RECOIL filled wartime entertainment. I'll stick with the battlefield series (not that i wont buy MW3 ill just wait for it to drop in price)

 

[nk4e]

I am leaning towards BF3 just because of the community I run into. Though MW3 seems like a rental to me.

 

[StinkyRacer11]

A key? Thanks for the heads up. That was a close one. I don't understand Steam or Origin though.

You can buy the game (disc version) brand new for £20 most places

 

[a6m5]

Then for the following games they took the same perks and renamed them.

You can't just take part of my post, and then quote me out of context. I was talking about MW & MW2 there, which I stated following that very sentence you quoted.

Way the kill streak rewards are utilized, they are not remotely close between MW & MW2. Predators, care packages, harriers, AC130/Chopper Gunner, etc., etc., etc. How about death streaks? And they not only added new perks(one man army? scavenger? hardline? bling?), they all had "pro" version upgrades.

You can buy the game (disc version) brand new for £20 most places

I'm in the States, and my quick google search shows that it's probably around $37 for me. I'll probably wait for the BF3.

 

[CMvan46]

I'm in the States, and my quick google search shows that it's probably around $37 for me. I'll probably wait for the BF3.

Which game are you looking for? And for what system?


Edit: found they post. Steam is awesome if your looking to try out BF2. Once you have steam installed just search for battlefield 2 and it is only 20 bucks on there.

Mods can I post this? Yes you can - Scaff
12 bucks new I believe from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006SL93I/?tag=gtplanet-20

 

[Patrick]

Counterstrike is only $20 on steam also.

 

[a6m5]

I didn't know what Steam was.

I'll be looking to play on PS3. Used to have X360, but I sold that. PC gaming, I've never owned a computer with adequate capability. Thanks for the help though guys.