My 1993 Corvette! Post 280. Pics included.

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So, in honesty, we must have gotten on another topic, or I'm reading this Page wrong. A 17 year old buying a sports car just because he thinks its an investment (when it will be driven daily which is a no-no for that type of purchase) can not be a wise choice, & I don't think Helden is the type of person to do such a thing.

Then the answer is simple; Get a half-assed "sports car" like what you, Phil or I have... Celica, Civic Si, GTI, etc. It'll save money on gas, insurance, and likely be a better way to spend less money not just in the short-term, but in the long term as well.

He says he prefers "European" options, and to be honest, there are a lot of good alternatives out there. The GTI (in my opinion) would be king of that crop, but I'd be more into a Jetta Wagon with the 1.8T and a stick. Give it a suspension kit and a decent set of tires, you'll be just as fast, but "less cool" (and have cheaper insurance rates). Hell, you could probably find a late-model C-class for a decent price these days (I wouldn't want to deal with parts though).

Problem is, the Japanese still have the market cornered on small, fun-to-drive, affordable cars. Its really as simple as that. As much as I HATE Toyota, I love my Celica. Its back when they "gave an 'S'" about cars like that, and given that I've been pulling down 28/29 MPG (average), not to mention insurance rates that are only a hair more than the VW, and "manageable" car payments... I got a pretty good deal.

Personally speaking, I wouldn't be looking to max out the cash, but get a set number in my head to play around with. Considering that you have up to $15K, shoot around at $10-12K and see what that can get you. I know I'd be poking around looking at these:

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They're holding their value more than I had expected. Considering that they are in fact mostly trouble-free, fairly "rare," and were purchased mostly by older clientele... Its easy to find them in good shape, and consequently, with good insurance rates.

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Azure has given me crap about the car before, but as far as "cheap" and "natural" feeling sports sedans from Japan go, this is about as close to a GTI/GLI you can get. Its a damn-good car for the money.

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GTI or GLI, take your pick. Pick up a post-2003 model with the 1.8T and you're golden.

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Its still the most under-rated VW of recent vintage with a very healthy set of fans behind it. They're becoming more difficult to find, but there are a few gems out there. Avoid the G60 at all costs, head straight for the SLC.

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Older or newer, you're gonna find a pretty good car. The final generation here was small, lightweight, and packed a real punch with the GT-S models. Not sure what insurance rates are on the newer cars, but mine (generation previous) isn't bad. Good on gas too (if you keep your foot out of it).

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Like the Lancer, this is the other white meat. Only get this style of SE-R though. The others were just plain hideous.

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This ones a sleeper, the true successor to the Honda Prelude. Get one in black with a stick, doesn't matter if its a V6 or an I4, and you're set. It'll be sporty when it needs to be, civilized any time else. Trust me, girls like that.

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See the Accord. Just skip the early models, okay? Oh, and the 2.5SE will be just fine.

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Wagon or sedan, the Protege is a sweetheart. No, its not the most "comfortable" or "well-equipped" small car out there, but given that its reliable and fun to drive, it covers all of the bases quite well.

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See the Accord and Altima. Take the Accord Coupe on style, take the Altima on raw power, and the Mazda6 on the best of both worlds. I've yet to drive a sedan that feels more "right" to what I'd like in a full-size car.
 
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An investment at 17? No offense to Helden, but what sports car could you possibly afford at 17 that could be an investment? Unless you plan on keeping the car for years down the road, I can't see a 17 year old buying a sports car just because it could be an investment.

Cars being bought as investments as far as I know, are not going to be driven as daily drivers, simply because miles bring down value.

So, in honesty, we must have gotten on another topic, or I'm reading this Page wrong. A 17 year old buying a sports car just because he thinks its an investment (when it will be driven daily which is a no-no for that type of purchase) can not be a wise choice, & I don't think Helden is the type of person to do such a thing.

Spoken by someone who doesn't view education as an investment. ;)
 
If he's 17 I can only assume he's going into his senior year of highschool like I am myself and if he's going to a public school then no education investment is in the equation. Until the year after this.
 
If he's 17 I can only assume he's going into his senior year of highschool like I am myself and if he's going to a public school then no education investment is in the equation. Until the year after this.

Rick was saying he shouldn't both be paying for college and for a car. My point was that one of those two things is an investment - in fact the best one you can make - which helps justify paying for a car. My other point was that we are not financial planners!

And by the way - no matter what grade you are going into, education is ALWAYS an investment! I think you mean 'there's no cost in the equation' (which I would also dispute!)
 
Spoken by someone who doesn't view education as an investment. ;)

You'd be right, then. I value education as an important factor in your life, but I have never thought of it as an investment.
 
Rick was saying he shouldn't both be paying for college and for a car. My point was that one of those two things is an investment - in fact the best one you can make - which helps justify paying for a car. My other point was that we are not financial planners!

And by the way - no matter what grade you are going into, education is ALWAYS an investment! I think you mean 'there's no cost in the equation' (which I would also dispute!)

Yes I guess I meant cost and by cost I meant tuition above all. Yes I know there are countless other things to pay for in college.
 
Get a 3 year lease on a New Gti. I pay 260 per month for a 36month/36,000mile lease. You get a brand new car plus a warentee You do the math.

I'm sure the same applies for most new car.
 
I don't think I could ever lease a car.
 
Helden is going to college starting in the fall, FYI.
 
All the more of a reason to get a bad-ass Honda Accord Coupe...
 
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Rock it!


But seriously, why buy the heavier, softer successor to the Prelude when he could just get an awfully nice Prelude? Or the better handling and looking 6th Gen Accord Coupe?
 
An interesting point, and well-taken. I guess I'm impartial to the late-model ones. Especially the part where they manage to be pretty quick but outrageously comfortable. Its that trade-off that makes the Accord a legend in my book.
 
or for those of us who dont understand why that acura RL is badged as a honda:

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Wow, lots of confusion here. I'll see if I can help solve some of it.

Yes, I am 17 and i start college next week. :scared: I was born in August of 1990 so thats why it seems confusing. The school I am going to is 45 miles away from my house, so gas concerns are there, but i consider 25mpg is excellent.

I do have a job and i make about ~$700 a month. I am paying for the car, gas and a certain percent of college after i graduate in November 09'. I only have to pay for one-half of insurance. So I figure that less than $300 would be good for a monthly payment.

I am going to a technical school whose student body is 90% ricers so everything on YSSMAN's list (save the MK4 and the Corrado) dosen't really stand out as anything noteworthy.

Leasing is'nt really an option because 1) you never really own the car, so I could never modify it, and 2) I will be driving, at minimum, 26000 miles per year, so I would have to pay huge fees on mileage charges.

I love the MK5 GTi, but I dont think that I can afford one. They start at about 21k, and they aren't old enough to be any cheaper used.

I thought of buying a sports car because there are a couple in my price range. But I found that this could be a good compromise:
Cobalt SS Supercharged
:tup:Good power, good economy, American.
:tdown:It's like a ricer, but a Chevrolet. I'm not a big fan of FF, but I havent driven this car yet.

Or on the less practical side:
99 Jaguar XJR
I used to work on these, so I know a fair deal about them. 400hp! Its like a sports car, but with 4 doors. Fuel would suck, but its a tradeoff. I also found a few XK8's at this price.

I should be finding something within the next week, so I'll keep everyone updated. :)
 
The SRT4 is a nice car. Ricer is in the eye of the beholder but the car goes pretty damn fast albeit in a straightline but that's the downside of FF. They go for pretty cheap too.
 
If you can shake it, the XJR would make you ultra-cool. If you can lease a car, go for a new Cobalt SS Turbo. They're way better than the S/C model, but that model is good as well.
 
I have a feeling he won't lease a car. I know I wouldn't, i've never liked the idea of leasing a car since someone explained it to me.
 
If you can shake it, the XJR would make you ultra-cool. If you can lease a car, go for a new Cobalt SS Turbo. They're way better than the S/C model, but that model is good as well.

After reading this month's R&T, they sound like really awesome cars. But I really dont want to lease.
 
If you're doing 26,000 miles a year the last thing you're going to want would be a Jaguar. I'm not kidding. Seriously, just do with a "family car" with a sporting attitude. The Mazda6 and Honda Accord will do everything that you want in spades (even with the V6) all while managing to be acceptable not only to performance drivers, but to young ladies as well.
 
all while managing to be acceptable not only to performance drivers, but to young ladies as well.

Old ladies too I would assume
 
True, but there isn't anything wrong with a cougar...

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I'd just ask that he take the time to drive one of them. Especially the Mazda6 (perferably an iSport) or the Honda Accord EX Coupe. I think he'd come away impressed, and at the very least, it would open up some interesting alternative to the roadster issue. Of course, there is always that pesky Passat as well...
 
So we are looking at sedans eh?

IS300. Fits in the price range nicely ;)

And sorry if it's been mentioned... bit tired to read the whole thread at the moment...
 
Hes a bit anti-Japanese, prefers coupes, but I think we could manage a switch eventually. The IS300 isn't a bad alternative, but I'll be damned if you could find one with a stick.
 
SVT Focus? Save some dough in the process.
 
Or on the less practical side:
99 Jaguar XJR
I used to work on these, so I know a fair deal about them. 400hp! Its like a sports car, but with 4 doors. Fuel would suck, but its a tradeoff. I also found a few XK8's at this price.

I drove a 99 XJR a couple of days ago - these things are awful. Styling is cool, engine is cool, that's where the cool stops. I'm not even sure if Brad has replied to this one yet but if he has -- I echo whatever he said.
 
Hes a bit anti-Japanese, prefers coupes, but I think we could manage a switch eventually. The IS300 isn't a bad alternative, but I'll be damned if you could find one with a stick.
Has anyone brought up an E36 3 Series, then? You can even find the M3s for under $15K in good condition, some even modified to a great extent for the value.
 
The last gen Accord, V6 or I4, Coupe or Sedan will bring you no harm, more cash and you will maintain a bit of joy wile driving because it can still go. My dad has a 04' EX Sedan and has never had single problem as of yet, enjoys driving it everyday, (he grew up driving old American V8's and majored in automotive engineering so he knows his way around cars) and it has done everything are family has asked and so on. But the EX ones with just as much luxury then anything in this segment. Leather, butt warmers etc... etc... And they got that clean Honda look that I oh so much love :D
 
I'm not even sure if Brad has replied to this one yet but if he has -- I echo whatever he said.

YSSMAN
If you're doing 26,000 miles a year the last thing you're going to want would be a Jaguar. I'm not kidding. Seriously, just do with a "family car" with a sporting attitude. The Mazda6 and Honda Accord will do everything that you want in spades (even with the V6) all while managing to be acceptable not only to performance drivers, but to young ladies as well.

I love Jaguars, I may be one of the bigger British car fans here, but by no means would I ever want to drive one daily unless it was nearly-new. Even then, they can't hold a candle to the "reliability" that you get out of a Volkswagen. Again, that's saying a lot...
 
Even though I used to work on Jags, and have built an XK8 4 liter, an XJR is off the books. I read that a transmission change could cost up to 15k! :eek:

My parents think that the S2000 is the best car to get for the money I am spending due to its reliability and easiness to repair. Its FR and the engine is really easy to work on. Also, there is high aftermarket support.:)

Im starting to get interested in that C36 AMG again, but im not so sure.

As far as I am concerned, a Mazda 6, Honda Accord or any other Japanese "sports" sedan is a downgrade from my old car.:crazy:
 
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