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Vegard
You think it was a fair move? Would you be happy with me making that move on you?
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Yes, because I would blame myself for not absolutely defending the inside there and leaving myself vulnerable to such a move. Leclerc knows that and that is why he is reacting the way he is now. He is not crying murder, because he knows he partly made his own bed there. He admitted to being angry about not winning and I can imagine that. Still, he will not be disappointed to finally have his first F1 win.

Would you want to win your first race this way if you were him?
 
It certainly won't help F1 for the first interesting race this year to have the result reversed well after the flag, but they painted themselves into this corner. They just don't want to start a riot.
 
PASM
Would you want to win your first race this way if you were him?
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That's the wrong question.

The correct one is "would you want to lose your first F1 race this way?"

@FoxMulder as much as I agree with the first part of you sentence, I think the FIA can't be a hostage of reckless and unfair moves made by any driver, especially those who do it often.
 
That is assuming Leclerc had more right to win it than Verstappen or any other driver.
 
The big question for me is how the hell was Max able to catch Leclerc when he dropped to P7 on the first lap? What a drive regardless of the stewards decision. It was nice to see Honda so strong, especially at a track like this.
 
PASM
That is assuming Leclerc had more right to win it than Verstappen or any other driver.
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He would probably be overtaken regardless, but losing it "this way" is what makes it bitter. Max didn't need to do what he did.
 
It has been hard being a Haas fan this season, they are really having a tough time when it comes to race day. Such a promising 2018 season and start to the 2019 season, too.
 
zzz_pt
Are people praising Senna for a dirty overtake alone? Or for his career as a whole, his charisma, his personality off track, etc, etc? I don't see the connection. Max is at the start of his career...
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Two sides of a coin make a driver. Bring in Schumacher for example- the person who revolutionised the sport and destroyed the record books. Also happened to have done some of the least sportsmanlike driving in the series in his time as well.

It's not so much a dirty overtake but what he did as a whole. He was known for putting himself in positions that would cause a crash unless someone else heeded. Verstappen's racing legacy is already very similar, so why can't a connection be made when one is known for racecraft and one is known for their lack of?
 
They are taking their sweet time aren’t they? Probably waiting for the orange army to clear out.
 
The issue is that this is the battle for the win. The stewards have to ignore all this and look at the incident itself on it a own, which will be given as a penalty. You don't get to look into context of last lap, it must be treated exactly the same as an - I dunno - Magnussen vs Albon move on lap 32 for 15th. Max is a capable enough driver to pass cleanly, but just doesn't bother when it comes to it. The battle for the previous laps had been brilliant, it a just a shame he had to resort to dirty tactics to complete the move.

Either way, either Leclerc or Honda are going to be the big losers in this. Verstappen will either get away with murder or take a rightful penalty.
 
SVX
Two sides of a coin make a driver. Bring in Schumacher for example- the person who revolutionised the sport and destroyed the record books. Also happened to have done some of the least sportsmanlike driving in the series in his time as well.

It's not so much a dirty overtake but what he did as a whole. He was known for putting himself in positions that would cause a crash unless someone else heeded. Verstappen's racing legacy is already very similar, so why can't a connection be made when one is known for racecraft and one is known for their lack of?
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Yes, but you're comparing drivers who finished their careers with multiple championships and records to Max, a 21 yo guy. I doubt Senna and Schumi were "praised" at a similar stage in their careers. They were talents and had fans, just like Max. We didn't have the internet back then either. If we did, I bet we'd see lots of people criticizing Senna's and Schumi's occasional questionable antics on track - just like people do with Max nowadays.

Schumi made pole position at Monaco at 43 years old ffs :D
 
MikeV27
The big question for me is how the hell was Max able to catch Leclerc when he dropped to P7 on the first lap? What a drive regardless of the stewards decision. It was nice to see Honda so strong, especially at a track like this.
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He had a massive car advantage compared to everyone else. Which you haven't been too happy about in the past.
 
PzR Slim
He had a massive car advantage compared to everyone else. Which you haven't been too happy about in the past.
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Such a massive car advantage that his team mate got lapped.
 
MikeV27
Such a massive car advantage that his team mate got lapped.
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lol, Gasly is the equal of Verstappen now? If he hadn't screwed the start up he would have won by over 30 seconds. I wonder if you would have been bemoaning F1 then.
 
PzR Slim
lol, Gasly is the equal of Verstappen now?
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No, but if he had such a massive car advantage then he probably wouldn't have been lapped.
 
MikeV27
No, but if he had such this massive car advantage then he probably wouldn't have been lapped.
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He was about half to one second a lap quicker than anyone towards the end. Are you suggesting that was all because of Verstappen?

At this track, in these conditions Verstappen's car was much better than anyone else's. We've been told all season that that kind of advantage is ruining F1. What's different this time?
 
PzR Slim
He was about half to one second a lap quicker than anyone towards the end. Are you suggesting that was all because of Verstappen?

At this track, in these conditions Verstappen's car was much better than anyone else's. We've been told all season that that kind of advantage is ruining F1. What's different this time?
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Verstappen if you ask the acolytes that aren't "really" acolytes
 
PzR Slim
He was about half to one second a lap quicker than anyone towards the end. Are you suggesting that was all because of Verstappen?

At this track, in these conditions Verstappen's car was much better than anyone else's. We've been told all season that that kind of advantage is ruining F1. What's different this time?
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Partly yeah, if Vettel didn't start out of position it would probably be a different story though. It's not one car having an advantage at the odd race ruining F1, it's one team winning most of the time, you should know this.
 
^^ I'm glad I'm not just imagining it. I seem to recall such moves used to happen frequently in F1. I actually don't like it, but I did think it was common place.
 
Dennisch





And it seems that they're not alone in that sentiment.
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Why "should" the driver in 1st "back off" if the rules say he's entitled to a car's width?

Some of these drivers who were never in a position of winning an F1 race talking about backing off... Not surprising to be honest.
 
F1 badly needs to look at NRL video refs for inspiration on decision making, decisions are broadcast live with an on air explanation by the refs within 2 minutes leaving no controversy over how a decision has been reached... this 3 hour wait is absolutely clown shoes... a clear definition in the rules is required without room for interpretation so they can expedite the whole thing... For me Max should keep the win having passed the apex first. First to the apex should be defining factor for me...
 
Famine
Back in their day, they'd probably expect the inside driver not to leave a car and a half gap to the apex.
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Why not? If there is room to go further to the outside, because the outside driver went even further outside and created a giant gap for the inside driver, why should the inside driver not go further to the outside?
 
PaMu1337
I just saw that Kubica got driver of the day. How?
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I've been disconnected multiple times from the official timing App during the race, and even since after the race, the FIA website seems to be down most of the time.
So i wonder if that is not the result of just two polish going through the technical hurdle before the votes closed...
Everyone knows Gasly would have deserved that DOTD anyway.
 
Dennisch





And it seems that they're not alone in that sentiment.
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So you found two drivers better known for their testing years in F1 than anything else... I'm sure people on the other side could find drivers of the same ilk that don't side with you, doesn't mean anything other than supporting arguments.

Also https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/ has printed material from teams on how to approach racing and etiquette in F1 and also why rulings go a certain way in situations like the one we're arguing so much about. Worth a read if anything
 
Dennisch
Why not? If there is room to go further to the outside, because the outside driver went even further outside and created a giant gap for the inside driver, why should the inside driver not go further to the outside?
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Because there's a car there.

You simply can't - and never could - drive your car into a place where there is already a car. Even Schumacher got punished for it:

 
The decision will apparently be very soon, I think Leclerc's got this.


and nvm...
 
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