Nascar 2010 vs 2011: Which is better?

[JJSCHMITTY2000]

Hello, I was wondering which nascar series was faster, better, ect. To anyone who says just look it up in the forum, I have, and it showed nothing.

 

[iainoflo85]

I don't think there is a major difference. They should both be pretty equal. But someone else could tell you the differences.

 

[JJSCHMITTY2000]

I noticed that 2011 models have more ground effect parts, where as I don't have a 2010 to compare it too.

 

[CupKonan04]

I don't know whether it's just me or not but I think there is a slight difference in the handling. That depends on which 2011 model you take, too. Some get 632 PP, some 633 PP (fully broken in and downforce all the way down). For example the 2011 Tony Stewart car gets 633 PP whereas a Jimmie Johnson car only gets 632 PP. I don't feel any difference of 2010s and 2011s in the horse power, though. It just depends on manufacturers.

 

[JJSCHMITTY2000]

I don't know whether it's just me or not but I think there is a slight difference in the handling. That depends on which 2011 model you take, too. Some get 632 PP, some 633 PP (fully broken in and downforce all the way down). For example the 2011 Tony Stewart car gets 633 PP whereas a Jimmie Johnson car only gets 632 PP. I don't feel any difference of 2010s and 2011s in the horse power, though. It just depends on manufacturers.

When you speak of this handeling difference, which way does that fall?

 

[CupKonan04]

When you speak of this handeling difference, which way does that fall?

I prefer the 2011 models.

 

[Argon]

Where's CargoRat when you need him? He'd know for sure what the difference between them was.

I'm not sure I've noticed that much difference between them I suck using either model

 

[Furinkazen]

There is no difference to performance in 2010 and 2011 - it has been documented enough already on these forums.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Where's CargoRat when you need him? He'd know for sure what the difference between them was.

I'm not sure I've noticed that much difference between them I suck using either model

I'm here, lol. I was purposely not replying to this thread because I have replied to many threads like this already. This is just another duplicate thread asking the same question that I have answered many times before, lol. But, for the last time, there is NO difference between any of the NASCAR cars. They are all the same spec and performance wise. All the tunes I've tested are all interchangable from manufacturerer to manufacturer. The only difference is that the Fords exhaust note sounds a little beefier.

Also, regarding the Gamestop car and the myth that it is faster than any of the other ones is false. It is also the same. The difference with that car is the engine restore and chassis restore is cheaper. Its only $500 if I remember right. Also, that car breaks in faster than the other ones but still only goes up to 892 HP. Like I have said in the other threads, I have done countless hours of testing with these cars which leads me to my conclusions. So, just pick a car with your favorite livery on it and go race, you will have just as good of a chance of winning as the next guy. Peace.

 

[JJSCHMITTY2000]

I'm here, lol. I was purposely not replying to this thread because I have replied to many threads like this already. This is just another duplicate thread asking the same question that I have answered many times before, lol. But, for the last time, there is NO difference between any of the NASCAR cars. They are all the same spec and performance wise. All the tunes I've tested are all interchangable from manufacturerer to manufacturer. The only difference is that the Fords exhaust note sounds a little beefier.

Also, regarding the Gamestop car and the myth that it is faster than any of the other ones is false. It is also the same. The difference with that car is the engine restore and chassis restore is cheaper. Its only $500 if I remember right. Also, that car breaks in faster than the other ones but still only goes up to 892 HP. Like I have said in the other threads, I have done countless hours of testing with these cars which leads me to my conclusions. So, just pick a car with your favorite livery on it and go race, you will have just as good of a chance of winning as the next guy. Peace.

Didn't see your post before. Anyway, thanks for the info.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

@JJSCHMITTY2000

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=251934&highlight=nascar+cars+the+same

There is one. Not going to search for the others but I know there are at least 2 or 3 more I posted in. Also found about 5 other threads asking the same exact question, all done with a simple search. Bottom line, this question has been asked to death and with a simple 5 min. search, you would have found your answer.

 

[DGXR]

I wonder if the stock / factory settings are all the exact same across all the NASCAR entries (suspension, downforce, drivetrain, transmission... everything).

 

[Argon]

I'm here, lol. I was purposely not replying to this thread because I have replied to many threads like this already. This is just another duplicate thread asking the same question that I have answered many times before, lol. But, for the last time, there is NO difference between any of the NASCAR cars. .......

Thanks Cargo, apologies that this is a repeat of stuff you've answered so many times before but I knew if anyone had the facts it'd be you. 👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I wonder if the stock / factory settings are all the exact same across all the NASCAR entries (suspension, downforce, drivetrain, transmission... everything).

Yes, as I've said before, everything is the same.

@Argon56: No problem my friend. If people would use the search function we wouldn't end up with the same questions over and over again. Nothing against you whatsoever.

 

[Niop]

I wonder if the stock / factory settings are all the exact same across all the NASCAR entries (suspension, downforce, drivetrain, transmission... everything).

Some have different spring rates, that's the only difference.

 

[Knelly]

Some have different spring rates, that's the only difference.

... Allowing softer springs. I believe the max numbers are the same, but the min numbers change from 10.0 - 11.0 (ish)

 

[CupKonan04]

There is no difference to performance in 2010 and 2011 - it has been documented enough already on these forums.

I know it for a fact that the 2011 Brian Vickers CAMRY is quicker around Daytona than any Chevy NASCAR with the same exact setup. It even beats my Fords. The difference is not huge, but it's around .03 secs per lap.
So at least we can come to the conclusion that they need slightly different setups to be equally quick and therefore they are kind of different in my opinion.

 

[Furinkazen]

I know it for a fact that the 2011 Brian Vickers CAMRY is quicker around Daytona than any Chevy NASCAR with the same exact setup. It even beats my Fords. The difference is not huge, but it's around .03 secs per lap.
So at least we can come to the conclusion that they need slightly different setups to be equally quick and therefore they are kind of different in my opinion.

Wrong wrong wrong.

 

[JJSCHMITTY2000]

I know it for a fact that the 2011 Brian Vickers CAMRY is quicker around Daytona than any Chevy NASCAR with the same exact setup. It even beats my Fords. The difference is not huge, but it's around .03 secs per lap.
So at least we can come to the conclusion that they need slightly different setups to be equally quick and therefore they are kind of different in my opinion.

Instead of saying "wrong wrong wrong" like some people would to this, I think that you just had a good couple of laps or got warmed up with that car. .03 seconds is such a tiny margin that there is a great chance that it just happened to be because of the only other variable; the driver. Try it again fully broken in on SSRX on the top speed; should be the same. If it's not, please post the tune and data.

 

[CupKonan04]

Well, I did test sessions with one car per manufacturer around Daytona SSW after the update, 50 laps each. I came to the conclusion that I am able to post a 41.220ish lap time with the 2011 Vickers Camry, while I only hit a 41.240ish with my 2011 Edwards car and a 41.250ish with my 2011 Johnson car. Since I did 50 laps per car I don't think it's me because my lap times were sometimes just differing by .008 within 4 laps.
I'm not saying that they're are different in speed, I'm just saying they're going a different speed with the same setup.
But I'll follow your suggestion and see what they're doing on the X-track and post the result here.

 

[CupKonan04]

Instead of saying "wrong wrong wrong" like some people would to this, I think that you just had a good couple of laps or got warmed up with that car. .03 seconds is such a tiny margin that there is a great chance that it just happened to be because of the only other variable; the driver. Try it again fully broken in on SSRX on the top speed; should be the same. If it's not, please post the tune and data.

Alright, I was finally able to do the tests. I did 5 laps per car on the X track.

My NASCARs are all fully broken in at 892 HP, I got 20 of them and I race NASCARs every day since a year so you can trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

There are certain reasons why I wouldn't want to post my tune publicly since it's a very good one for Daytona SSW and it took me and my people hours to figure it out just right. So, please bear with me on that point. If you want it that bad, I'm gonna send it to you via PM.

In fact, the 2011 Vickers Camry hits 232 mph in 4th gear at about 3500-3700 meters on the backstretch (depending on corner exit) and 237/238 mph when it's going down the hill.
My 2011 Edwards Fusion on the other hand hits 232 mph as well but way later, at about 4400-4600 meters down the backstretch and my Johnson Impala hits 232 mph at 4900-5100 meters.

Again, they all have the same setup, no weight added, oil refreshed before the test, 892 HP and 632 PP. It's not much, but with my setup, they are different. I don't know what it is, either, it might be that they have a different amount of miles on them. The Camry has got 3,221 miles on it, the Fusion 3,052 miles and the Impala 2,473 miles, but since the Camry drove more miles than the other two I don't think it's that.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Alright, I was finally able to do the tests. I did 5 laps per car on the X track.

My NASCARs are all fully broken in at 892 HP, I got 20 of them and I race NASCARs every day since a year so you can trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

There are certain reasons why I wouldn't want to post my tune publicly since it's a very good one for Daytona SSW and it took me and my people hours to figure it out just right. So, please bear with me on that point. If you want it that bad, I'm gonna send it to you via PM.

In fact, the 2011 Vickers Camry hits 232 mph in 4th gear at about 3500-3700 meters on the backstretch (depending on corner exit) and 237/238 mph when it's going down the hill.
My 2011 Edwards Fusion on the other hand hits 232 mph as well but way later, at about 4400-4600 meters down the backstretch and my Johnson Impala hits 232 mph at 4900-5100 meters.

Again, they all have the same setup, no weight added, oil refreshed before the test, 892 HP and 632 PP. It's not much, but with my setup, they are different. I don't know what it is, either, it might be that they have a different amount of miles on them. The Camry has got 3,221 miles on it, the Fusion 3,052 miles and the Impala 2,473 miles, but since the Camry drove more miles than the other two I don't think it's that.

First of all, the correct term would be NASCAR cars, not NASCARS's.

Second, how many times did you do each test for each car. One run per each car is really inconclusive as far as I'm concerned. Try doing at least 5 runs for each car and then anyalize your data. Also, did you do this in auto or manual. The reason I ask is because if you did it in manual, the differences you came up with could be due to different shift points you used for each run. As you should know, everything as to be done exactly the same for each run (shift points, driving line, etc) in order to have definitive results. I have done the exact same tests and my results were different than yours. Every car I tested hit 232 at 4500-4600 meters.

As all NASCAR cars have the exact same specs, I see no reason why one would be better than the other. My test results further back that up. You see, I too have been running these cars since game release and have done all kinds of testing with these cars. I was among one of the first few people to come up with a 50+ lap setup on racing soft tires, longest being 56 laps. I also have one of the fastest online solo lap times at Daytona. I say this all not to brag or sound elite, but to let you know that I too have countless hours of experience with these cars and can speak with confidence when talking about these cars.

All that being said, you have your results and I have mine. I believe all NASCAR cars are the same and until someone can win races consistantly with a certain car, you're not going to convince me otherwise.

 

[bs13]

The different make of cars feel different to me. The Toyotas feel light and handle the best. The Fords feel heavy yet have deceptive speed. The Chevys seems to fit somewhere in between.

My best time testing in practice mode at Daytona with grip reduction on low, no tire wear and no aids is 41.146 in a 2011 Vickers. We race with those settings and that is why I tested that way. I believe I can do better if I keep messing with the tranny.

 

[CupKonan04]

First of all, the correct term would be NASCAR cars, not NASCARS's.

Second, how many times did you do each test for each car. One run per each car is really inconclusive as far as I'm concerned. Try doing at least 5 runs for each car and then anyalize your data. Also, did you do this in auto or manual. The reason I ask is because if you did it in manual, the differences you came up with could be due to different shift points you used for each run. As you should know, everything as to be done exactly the same for each run (shift points, driving line, etc) in order to have definitive results. I have done the exact same tests and my results were different than yours. Every car I tested hit 232 at 4500-4600 meters.

As all NASCAR cars have the exact same specs, I see no reason why one would be better than the other. My test results further back that up. You see, I too have been running these cars since game release and have done all kinds of testing with these cars. I was among one of the first few people to come up with a 50+ lap setup on racing soft tires, longest being 56 laps. I also have one of the fastest online solo lap times at Daytona. I say this all not to brag or sound elite, but to let you know that I too have countless hours of experience with these cars and can speak with confidence when talking about these cars.

All that being said, you have your results and I have mine. I believe all NASCAR cars are the same and until someone can win races consistantly with a certain car, you're not going to convince me otherwise.

Actually, I know that they're called NASCAR cars, but it's quicker to type NASCARs when you're in a hurry, I'm not a perfectionist and as long as you know what I mean without having to decipher my message, I think it's not too bad.

To your question whether I am running a manual or automatic gearbox, I run a manual transmission and shifted from 3rd to 4th as soon as the speedometer went up to 227 mph and down from 4th to 3rd as it dropped to 226 mph.

I agree with your conclusion that we might just have different results.
I just had the time to run 15 laps around the X track in total, so I did 5 laps for each car and therefore my results might not be as accurate as yours.
All I was saying originally is that neither any of my Fusions nor any of my Impalas ever beat my Vickers Camry around Daytona in terms of best lap time and therefore I think that they are slightly different.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Actually, I know that they're called NASCAR cars, but it's quicker to type NASCARs when you're in a hurry, I'm not a perfectionist and as long as you know what I mean without having to decipher my message, I think it's not too bad.

To your question whether I am running a manual or automatic gearbox, I run a manual transmission and shifted from 3rd to 4th as soon as the speedometer went up to 227 mph and down from 4th to 3rd as it dropped to 226 mph.

I agree with your conclusion that we might just have different results.
I just had the time to run 15 laps around the X track in total, so I did 5 laps for each car and therefore my results might not be as accurate as yours.
All I was saying originally is that neither any of my Fusions nor any of my Impalas ever beat my Vickers Camry around Daytona in terms of best lap time and therefore I think that they are slightly different.

Speaking of which, my fastest lap at Daytona that I spoke of before, was set using my Carl Edwards Ford. However, all cars tested were within .020-.030 of one another, hardly a difference to constitute saying one is better than the other in my book. I chalk up the fastest lap being run in the Ford in that test just due to the fact of me hitting the perfect lap in that run.

In all my past online experiences, I have heard claims of each manufacturer being the fastest but have never witnessed any one particular car dominating the GT5 NASCAR world. That, along with all my personal testing, tells me one thing. All NASCAR cars in this game are all the same performance wise.

 

[killerjimbag]

Speaking of which, my fastest lap at Daytona that I spoke of before, was set using my Carl Edwards Ford. However, all cars tested were within .020-.030 of one another, hardly a difference to constitute saying one is better than the other in my book. I chalk up the fastest lap being run in the Ford in that test just due to the fact of me hitting the perfect lap in that run.

In all my past online experiences, I have heard claims of each manufacturer being the fastest but have never witnessed any one particular car dominating the GT5 NASCAR world. That, along with all my personal testing, tells me one thing. All NASCAR cars in this game are all the same performance wise.

Please put this dead dog into it's grave,I have done lot's of testing and tuning.
.025 of a second doing a solo lap means nothing when it comes to drafting and real driving.There is no difference with any of the cars.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Please put this dead dog into it's grave,I have done lot's of testing and tuning.
.025 of a second doing a solo lap means nothing when it comes to drafting and real driving.There is no difference with any of the cars.

What do you think I've been trying to say all this time.

 

[killerjimbag]

What do you think I've been trying to say all this time.

LOL I know.
We have probably did a million miles in these cars.

 

[Furinkazen]

I've also race leagues in these cars and there ain't a performance difference.

 

[killerjimbag]

I've also race leagues in these cars and there ain't a performance difference.

Thank you.
Now for everybody else, you have 3 guys here that have raced Nascar for a long time.
There is no difference.