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Letting more foreign car makes in would be a mistake.

Nascar angered alot of their core fan base by letting toyota in, then further angered them by introducing the COT that looked like it was designed by the same folks who built those dopey looking rice burners from fast and the furious.

But if Nissan/VW/etc. wave a big enough check under Brian France's nose they'll get in. Watch attendence & ratings further plummet as a result.
 
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Letting more foreign car makes in would be a mistake.

Nascar angered alot of their core fan base by letting toyota in, then further angered them by introducing the COT that looked like it was designed by the same folks who built those dopey looking rice burners from fast and the furious.

But if Nissan/VW/etc. wave a big enough check under Brian France's nose they'll get in. Watch attendence & ratings further plummet as a result.
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Well, good riddance to those fans

V8 Supercars is examining makes from Germany and Japan. Theres nothing wrong with a regional series looking outside its boarders

Why should NASCAR restrict itself to only domestic manufacturers? Alot of people hated Toyota coming in but with Michael Waltrip running Toyota cars along with Joe Gibbs has certainly made alot of NASCAR fans Toyota people

The same will happen with Honda or anyone else, they will eventually find acceptance. More makes is only good for NASCAR, as long as Ford and Chevrolet have a decent presence
 
Tbh, the uncomfortable truth for some is that the ‘good old American’ car firms rely on expertise outside from USA. If outside influence make domestic cars better, I don’t see how that is bad.

As for NASCAR, the management at least should be open to new car makers and engine builders. With engine builders shrinking, some people should be careful what they wish for. Unlike the old days, I don’t think GM would run more than one brand, for example. So without Toyota, it would be a two horse race. That isn’t particularly appealing.

Even if GM did run another brand in NASCAR, it would just be disguising the issue of too few genuine firms competing.
 
Are people that Patriotic (or for lack of a better term), scared that adding in another one or two makes that aren't necessarily American companies will cause the destruction of NASCAR? I think that I'd rather have a Honda or a Nissan or a Hyundai or a BMW if it improves field sizes, makes for more competition, and adds in better rides so there are no S&P rides.
 
Well I was skeptical at first about Toyota's presence in NASCAR, but my interest piqued after Joe Gibbs Racing announced that they would make the switch to Toyota in the 2008 season. I thought it was kind of cool seeing Tony in Toyota, even know he hated being in one and it affected his performance that season.


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The M3 would be a perfect fit.
 
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ICEYOU
Well I was skeptical at first about Toyota's presence in NASCAR, but my interest piqued after Joe Gibbs Racing announced that they would make the switch to Toyota in the 2008 season. I thought it was kind of cool seeing Tony in Toyota, even know he hated being in one and it affected his performance that season.

The M3 would be a perfect fit.
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Not really.

Toyota Camry vs. M3?
 
Cowboys965
Not really.

Toyota Camry vs. M3?
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Hell yeah. The M3 looks like it could be a stock car.

Okay one thing is certain, since their going to run these new cars next year it's time to start letting the Cup teams use rain tires on road courses starting next year. Adding more road courses would be much obliged too.
 
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Am I the only one that thinks Road courses would be the perfect opportunity for Working Headlights and Brake Lights (And not the dumb red ones dead center in the rear window) on the Nationwide car? The shapes are faithful enough that I think they could be pulled off.
 
RACECAR
Am I the only one that thinks Road courses would be the perfect opportunity for Working Headlights and Brake Lights (And not the dumb red ones dead center in the rear window) on the Nationwide car? The shapes are faithful enough that I think they could be pulled off.
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I agree, it's time for NASCAR to evolve. I'm expecting more road events to be added to cup series next year (Montreal, Road America etc). Nascar needs to ignore the fans that claim Road Course racing "sucks" and is "boring". Some fans only hate road course racing because their drivers suck at it.
 
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Am I the only one that thinks Road courses would be the perfect opportunity for Working Headlights and Brake Lights (And not the dumb red ones dead center in the rear window) on the Nationwide car? The shapes are faithful enough that I think they could be pulled off.
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The problem with that is that they make so much contact that you would have broken plastic all over the track and lights not working anyway.
 
ICEYOU
I agree, it's time for NASCAR to evolve. I'm expecting more road events to be added to cup series next year (Montreal, Road America etc). Nascar needs to ignore the fans that claim Road Course racing "sucks" and is "boring". Some fans only hate road course racing because their drivers suck at it.
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I love road courses. I've somewhat lost interest in NASCAR because I'm quite the opposite, I find most oval racing boring.
 
R1600Turbo
The problem with that is that they make so much contact that you would have broken plastic all over the track and lights not working anyway.
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Would it be that much different from the Continental Tire Challenge series or any Road Racing series with full fender production based cars?(I'm looking at you, BTCC)
 
R1600Turbo
The problem with that is that they make so much contact that you would have broken plastic all over the track and lights not working anyway.
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But doesn't that happen in the other sports car series?:lol:


RACECAR
Would it be that much different from the Continental Tire Challenge series or any Road Racing series with full fender production based cars?(I'm looking at you, BTCC)
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Agreed.


BubbleBelly542
I love road courses. I've somewhat lost interest in NASCAR because I'm quite the opposite, I find most oval racing boring.
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It wasn't always boring, nowadays it's just follow the leader. As a result of the COT.
 
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The only problem with having more manufacturers in the sport is that they would want to be connected to a good team and without that possibility, it's a tough sell to get anyone to enter the series.

Doesn't matter. Next year the SuperGT, DTM, and DTMUSA will all have the same regulations. Can't wait for next year's racing.
 
Stormtrooper217
How would new manufacturers reduce start-and-park teams?
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It wouldn't. Manufacturers aren't going to enter a racing series in hopes of being back of the field runners. Especially if this hypothetical situation involved Honda, Nissan and one or two German marques.

Start and park teams are just that because they don't have sponsorship, not because they are stuck with a certain manufacturer.
 
In theory, a new manufacturer could bring in a new ownership group (I'm thinking of Andretti, specifically) to run a factory-backed team that would be attempting to run entire races. Assume that Andretti gives a job to two deserving drivers that currently don't have rides. I'm picturing Allmendinger and Vickers. Those two guys get two full-time seats, show up every week to race, and two fewer start-and-park teams make the race each weekend.
 
Why is NASCAR one series that's so scared of change? I understanding trying to keep the history of a stock car but those days are long gone no matter what spin you put on it. If you go look at what is in parking lot, you see all sorts of makes but some of those same people only want US brands ye drive a foreign based car!

We don't need to allow every Tom dick and Harry in but why not allow some testing of other makes? I doubt you will see this huge influx anyway. I could see someone like Nissan but honestly that's about it, and we just lost Dodge anyway. We need to atleast look at replacing them, and if you look at what the good ole days were they had all types of cars even if they were US based.
 
MustangRyan
In theory, a new manufacturer could bring in a new ownership group (I'm thinking of Andretti, specifically) to run a factory-backed team that would be attempting to run entire races. Assume that Andretti gives a job to two deserving drivers that currently don't have rides. I'm picturing Allmendinger and Vickers. Those two guys get two full-time seats, show up every week to race, and two fewer start-and-park teams make the race each weekend.
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That's the only way it would work.
 
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MustangRyan
In theory, a new manufacturer could bring in a new ownership group (I'm thinking of Andretti, specifically) to run a factory-backed team that would be attempting to run entire races. Assume that Andretti gives a job to two deserving drivers that currently don't have rides. I'm picturing Allmendinger and Vickers. Those two guys get two full-time seats, show up every week to race, and two fewer start-and-park teams make the race each weekend.
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So say VW returns along with a surprise announcement from Nissan and Honda. How many Start & Parks will that eliminate?


Also while we're on the subject, what manufacterers have the possible resources to pull off a NASCAR team? I would say for Honda, HPD alone would be big enough to provide engines and cars like the California TRD shop does for Toyota.
 
RACECAR
So say VW returns along with a surprise announcement from Nissan and Honda. How many Start & Parks will that eliminate?


Also while we're on the subject, what manufacterers have the possible resources to pull off a NASCAR team? I would say for Honda, HPD alone would be big enough to provide engines and cars like the California TRD shop does for Toyota.
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Honda and Volkswagen. I wouldn't say Nissan, since they're essentially the Chrysler of Japan.

I can't see anyone else wanting to join Nascar at all. The Accord and Passat would fit right in with the Camry, Fusion and Impala/SS

EDIT: Maybe Kia/Hyundai. Maybe.
 
BubbleBelly542
Ferrari. Lamborghini.
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Don't know if this is meant to be a smartass remark, but I do not mean Supercar manufacterers. Didn't relize I had to be specific since we're in the NASCAR thread and just got through talking about car companies making cars in the same market as the current Makes in NASCAR.
 
RACECAR
Don't know if this is meant to be a smartass remark, but I do not mean Supercar manufacterers. Didn't relize I had to be specific since we're in the NASCAR thread and just got through talking about car companies making cars in the same market as the current Makes in NASCAR.
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Ah, I see. Let's be honest, they would have the resources though.

Well I think American and foreign cars are in a somewhat different market. American cars are fairly high priced, and Japanese are lower, with European higher. Not to mention many people are dead set against buying foreign cars, so I wouldn't puppy Honda in the same market as Chevrolet and Ford. I don't know though... They are closer than Ferrari and Lamborghini.
 
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