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There's nothing wrong with the overall quality of racing this year in the 3 main series. Can't say the same for the lower/regional series since I don't see any of that action.
 
I think people are just having a bit of a comedown after last year, it's pretty much impossible to top last year so anything less is going to seem boring.
 
Perhaps an odd idea to many, but am I the only one who would like to see one or two combination races for the Canadian Tire series and the Corona Series? I think it would be great to have these promising drivers from the lower regions to get together. Venues could perhaps be at IRP and Richmond.
 
Adamgp
Hate the new segment rules. Hope Nascar learns from it and puts it back the way it was.

Probably the most boring All-star I think I seen. No beating and banging, no fighting, and the winner putted around at the back for 2/3 the race.
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Up until the 10 lapper, there was great racing almost everywhere. You must have been watching a different race.

Just because they actually race clean for once, doesn't make it boring.
 
MÜLE_9242;7112994
Up until the 10 lapper, there was great racing almost everywhere. You must have been watching a different race.
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This. I think there was more 3-wide racing last night than at Daytona and Talladega combined. The sad thing is, I'm not exaggerating too much either.

I think make it so that the segment winners don't get guaranteed top spots for the 10-lapper and it'll be fine.
 
Adamgp
Hate the new segment rules. Hope Nascar learns from it and puts it back the way it was.

Probably the most boring All-star I think I seen. No beating and banging, no fighting, and the winner putted around at the back for 2/3 the race.
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And why is that necessary for a "Good" race? You don't always need contact for good racing and all that three-wide racing was far for boring if you ask me.
 
RACECAR
And why is that necessary for a "Good" race? You don't always need contact for good racing and all that three-wide racing was far from boring if you ask me.
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Agree with you completely, next weekend is gonna be crazy. Bring on the 600.
 
RACECAR
And why is that necessary for a "Good" race? You don't always need contact for good racing and all that three-wide racing was far for boring if you ask me.
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Did I say it was necessary? No.

I still think it was a boring race, compared to all the other All Stars I've seen. Even if the cars went 3 wide for a little bit.

I blame the rule changes more than anything. Old format was way better IMO.
 
Adamgp
Did I say it was necessary? No.
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Yep you didn't say it, but it appears contact is necessary in order for a race to be less boring according to you, at least thats what I get from your post.
 
Did you guy's know Clint Bowyer is only 32 years old?? He looked alot older to me than that.
 
Anyone catch Wind Tunnel last night and hear what Humpy Wheeler said about the length of the races? He basically said times have changed and NASCAR races are too long for today's audience, that because of spectacular video games and spectacular movies people aren't interested in long races as much as they use to be.

I have to agree. When I started watching NASCAR in the 90s, it never bothered me to watch a 500 mile Pocono race or even a 500 mile Dover race which was even longer and more grueling.

But today, with everything being available almost instantly through electronic gadgets, people simply dont have the patience they use to. Look at some of the longer, older movies in the 60s. Some of them even had an intermission in the middle where the audience was expected to get up and take a break.

Imagine putting a 15 minute intermission in the middle of "The Avengers"!

Long NASCAR races just wont work anymore. When people are on youtube and they get bored of a video they just click on another one. And another. And another. When somebody is watching a NASCAR race and things arent that exciting they are just as quick to change the channel.

If you look at other racing series like openwheel or motorcycles they've always had short races so if the racing wasn't exciting at least it was over fast.

Ever since I started watching NASCAR in 1993 I've never had a problem with the race lengths, until now. And thats because the crazy thing is the drivers really dont like the lengths anymore, perhaps even more so then the fans. Because of that they just ride around and wave competitors on by for the first 400 miles and go racing in the last 100 miles. I know people will say they always just road around the first 400 miles but believe me, in my time of watching NASCAR its never been like the way it is now, where basically only the lead is a position a driver will fight for early in the race.

If they have to shorten the races to 300 miles to light a fire under these guys butts and get them racing flat out the whole way then they have to do it, if thats what it takes. As it is, the drivers have pretty much agreed among themselves not to race eachother hard, or even at all, until the end, which makes 90% of the race pointless.
 
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If they have to shorten the races to 300 miles to light a fire under these guys butts and get them racing flat out the whole way then they have to do it, if thats what it takes. As it is, the drivers have pretty much agreed among themselves not to race eachother hard, or even at all, until the end, which makes 90% of the race pointless.
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Totally agreed. I would be all for shorter races 100%.
 
Rather than shorten it, they should do what the Aussie V8 series does and split the weekend into two equal distance races. The only issue with that is the scheduling of the other series if they are at the same track on that weekend. It would probably also cut down on Cup drivers in other series as they wouldn't be able to do every race without potentially interfering in their championship hunt.
 
Earth
Anyone catch Wind Tunnel last night and hear what Humpy Wheeler said about the length of the races? He basically said times have changed and NASCAR races are too long for today's audience, that because of spectacular video games and spectacular movies people aren't interested in long races as much as they use to be.

I have to agree. When I started watching NASCAR in the 90s, it never bothered me to watch a 500 mile Pocono race or even a 500 mile Dover race which was even longer and more grueling.

But today, with everything being available almost instantly through electronic gadgets, people simply dont have the patience they use to. Look at some of the longer, older movies in the 60s. Some of them even had an intermission in the middle where the audience was expected to get up and take a break.

Imagine putting a 15 minute intermission in the middle of "The Avengers"!

Long NASCAR races just wont work anymore. When people are on youtube and they get bored of a video they just click on another one. And another. And another. When somebody is watching a NASCAR race and things arent that exciting they are just as quick to change the channel.

If you look at other racing series like openwheel or motorcycles they've always had short races so if the racing wasn't exciting at least it was over fast.

Ever since I started watching NASCAR in 1993 I've never had a problem with the race lengths, until now. And thats because the crazy thing is the drivers really dont like the lengths anymore, perhaps even more so then the fans. Because of that they just ride around and wave competitors on by for the first 400 miles and go racing in the last 100 miles. I know people will say they always just road around the first 400 miles but believe me, in my time of watching NASCAR its never been like the way it is now, where basically only the lead is a position a driver will fight for early in the race.

If they have to shorten the races to 300 miles to light a fire under these guys butts and get them racing flat out the whole way then they have to do it, if thats what it takes. As it is, the drivers have pretty much agreed among themselves not to race eachother hard, or even at all, until the end, which makes 90% of the race pointless.
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Spot on. I first started watching Nascar in 07 and watched every race in '09, '10 and '11. I think its the fact that recent races have had little to no action. Even the Talladega race experienced long green flag spells and what gets me watching is a rivalry or crashes or watching race restarts. Recently, media is imploding with youtube, 'fast forward, rewind and record' and many other channels but the point is many people are losing interest in watching 4 hour races every weekend. Of course, recently track repaves and new tracks such as Kentucky have got us watching but there is a point where races will have to be reduced. Until we get back to the days of 2006 where Nascar was on a real high in terms of ratings, advertising and economy, Nascar ought to reduce its races.

I believe its only a short-term spell and once we book out the stands, get the economy rolling and crashes going again, race lengths will increase. At least I hope. :indiff:
 
GTPorsche
Rather than shorten it, they should do what the Aussie V8 series does and split the weekend into two equal distance races. The only issue with that is the scheduling of the other series if they are at the same track on that weekend. It would probably also cut down on Cup drivers in other series as they wouldn't be able to do every race without potentially interfering in their championship hunt.
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I was thinking this too as I typed my last message, just didn't say anything.
 
I think 2006 was 6 and a half hours with 22 cautions or something... I remember Autosport mentioning it finished at 4am...
 
If I was in charge, I'd keep the Daytona 500 and Southern 500 at 500 miles, keep the 600 at 600, then nothing else gets any more then 400. I'd also bring back a "Winston Millions" type of Grand Slam, with the Daytona 500, Coke 600, Brickyard 400 and Southern 500 (back on Labour day weekend).

Then of course, I'd ax most of the 1.5 mile races, and replace them with better tracks.
 
MÜLE_9242;7116895
If I was in charge, I'd keep the Daytona 500 and Southern 500 at 500 miles, keep the 600 at 600, then nothing else gets any more then 400. I'd also bring back a "Winston Millions" type of Grand Slam, with the Daytona 500, Coke 600, Brickyard 400 and Southern 500 (back on Labour day weekend).

Then of course, I'd ax most of the 1.5 mile races, and replace them with better tracks.
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And shrink Pocono race (at least 1 of them) to 400 miles...
 
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