Need Some advice on tvr's

[x0arcana0x]

I have entered the TVR one-make race and bought the TVR Cerbera Speed 12. I started the race and man the tires suck. What kind of tires are best on the TVR? It has about 1000 HP and 7520 RPM. need help...

 

[amp88]

The Speed 12 is notoriously difficult to drive, wheelspin is a huge problem in the first 3 or 4 gears no matter what settings you use for traction control, even on racing tyres. Why not try the race in a different TVR?

 

[the Interceptor]

I'd go for the Speed 6 if I were you, it's an excellent car and much better and easier than the Speed 12.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[Scaff]

The TVR series can be done quite easily with a number of the TVRs, IIRC I used a T350c.

BTW the problem is not with the Speed 12 or the tyres, rather your right foot (or thumb), its a car that requires a great degree of throttle control to get the most out of it.

As amp88 said its not an easy car to drive, and from road tests of the real thing, neither should it be.

However you might wnat to give the following set-up a go

TVR Speed 12 Set-up and Write-up

Give that a go and see if it helps.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Mr. Boy]

The TVR Cerbera Speed 12 is perhaps the worst handling car in the entire game. It's cool for setting speed records, but is pretty useless on a track.And you don't have to use it in that race. Try something like a Tuscan. Give it some wings, set the downforce at 30 (front) and 25 (rear) and shift the weight balance a bit more to the rear (the Tuscan is pretty front-heavy). You should have no problem winning this race.

 

[opendriver]

I used a fully tuned griffith(sp?)500 tuned to about 560hp with a wing and sitting on R2's. You can find it in the used car lot every now and then. It truly is a great car. The thing weighs only 956kg when fully done.

 

[x0arcana0x]

you guys are so helpful, i appreciate it. didn't know tvr's suck that bad. i'm new to gran turismo so i really didn't know.

 

[the Interceptor]

TVR's don't suck at all, they're great cars. It's just that the Speed 12 is a bit hard to handle, cause it tries to put about 800 hp down with the engine at the front (= little weight on the back) and being way lighter than a ton - not a good combination. It's a monster, but that doesn't mean it's a bad car.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[Famine]

The TVR Cerbera Speed 12 is perhaps the worst handling car in the entire game. It's cool for setting speed records, but is pretty useless on a track.

I quite like it, actually...

(there's a MaxDrive file there you can download - and that's on S2 tyres with no driving aids, first lap in the car ever... ).

 

[Scaff]

The TVR Cerbera Speed 12 is perhaps the worst handling car in the entire game. It's cool for setting speed records, but is pretty useless on a track.And you don't have to use it in that race. Try something like a Tuscan. Give it some wings, set the downforce at 30 (front) and 25 (rear) and shift the weight balance a bit more to the rear (the Tuscan is pretty front-heavy). You should have no problem winning this race.

Don't agree in regard to the Speed 12, but its a matter of personally taste, I would not say its the worst handling car in the game by a long shot (the Tank Car is).

In regard to the Tuscan, as it has near 50/50 weight distribution I don't see how it could be called front heavy? TVRs for a long time now have had the engines mounted a long way back in the chassis, so much so that they are often refered to as 'front mid-engined'. Bizzare, but as the engines are close to the mid point in the car (but in front of the driver) its technically acurate.

didn't know tvr's suck that bad

Now thats a comment that could upset a few people, LOL.

The TVR's don't 'suck' at all, but they are not easy cars to get the most out of. Again in the real world they are known as very, very intimidating cars. As has been said, the have very high power to weight ratios and the real world cars have no driver aids at all (no ABS, Traction Control, Stability Control or Airbags).

Regards

Scaff

 

[Dave A]

you guys are so helpful, i appreciate it. didn't know tvr's suck that bad. i'm new to gran turismo so i really didn't know.

That's sacrilidge. The Speed 12 is the second fastest road car in GT4 round the ring, stock for stock. You need to use TCS if your not that great at throttle control. The 12 is one of games harder cars to drive, it's also one of the most powerful and one of the fastest, I use one of mine to beat the LMP and group C racers at the Ring in the real circuit tour's in the professional hall. You just need to get used to it. The T350C is probably the easiest to new TVR to drive in GT4, a bit of tuning and it can with the Blackpool racers cup, I've won it in the 12, a T350C, Tuscan Speed 6 and Cerbera Speed 6.

 

[Smallhorses]

All of the TVRs are capable of winning one or more of the Blackpool Racers races without any tuning at all! Drive them stock! Even the V8S!

There's a trick to beating the AI Speed 12 that somebody mentioned in here somewhere, if you can get ahead of him, and then dab the brakes so that he rear-ends you, he'll lose so much time wheelspinning that you're free to toddle off into the distance, and win the race! Didn't try it myself, but apparently it works!

 

[x0arcana0x]

Sry if i offended anyone....personally i like tvr's but i meant by saying they suck at the beginning of the game but if you modify them then it'll be a lot better.....don't know if that made any sense at all...lol anyway, can anyone tell me where i can find good modifications for cars in this forum?

 

[Dave A]

That applies to every car in the game, in terms of track performance anyway. The TVR's are tricky to drive, people that say they can't handle for **** just arn't good enough to race them, if you practice in them I gaurentte that you won't be dissapointed when all of a sudden you find you beating off 500bhp cars in your stock Tuscan.

Depending on how you drive, carbon brakes and the brake controller, weight reduction and a rear wing are some of the better mod's you can do to a TVR, the suspension and gearbox mod's all come next imo, then add the power.

 

[RenesisEvo]

All of the TVRs are capable of winning one or more of the Blackpool Racers races without any tuning at all! Drive them stock! Even the V8S!

I cleaned up all the races in the V8S for 200pts -fantastic fun too. The hard part was Fuji 2005 - the Speed 12 gets far too good a start. The only way past was to ram the speed 12 onto the grass and into the wall at the sharp turns after the long, fast curves.

Can't remember what tyres - but S2 or S3; R1 at best. No need for anymore grip than that - that's just being lazy

Depending on how you drive, carbon brakes and the brake controller, weight reduction and a rear wing are some of the better mod's you can do to a TVR, the suspension and gearbox mod's all come next imo, then add the power.

Adding a wing spoils the car, handling and looks. I also find that the brakes tend to make the car lock-up even more - these cars run high performance brakes as standard. Shortening the ratios a bit, and stiffening up the front suspension tends to make these cars superb to drive.

Long live TVR - and I agree, if you cant drive a TVR, you can't drive.

 

[Leonidae]

Scaff, you used R5's? i'm bit disappointed at you.. after writing those great tuning manuals of yours, i thought that you could set-up even this car.. btw, your tuning manuals have really helped me to improve my driving.. or, atleast my cars settings. no more need for power in races, it's all about handling now.

 

[Dave A]

Adding a wing spoils the car, handling and looks. I also find that the brakes tend to make the car lock-up even more - these cars run high performance brakes as standard. Shortening the ratios a bit, and stiffening up the front suspension tends to make these cars superb to drive.

Long live TVR - and I agree, if you cant drive a TVR, you can't drive.

Adding a wing does ruin the looks, but with the right setting you can snap the car into corners a lot faster. And also the brakes don't lock up the car unless you press them all the way all the time, if you apply the right pressure they stop you a hell of a lot qquicker than the standard brakes do .

 

[GM]

Yes, you can pick up a decent speed 6 in the used car garage (late 90s)

 

[RenesisEvo]

Adding a wing does ruin the looks, but with the right setting you can snap the car into corners a lot faster. And also the brakes don't lock up the car unless you press them all the way all the time, if you apply the right pressure they stop you a hell of a lot qquicker than the standard brakes do .

All good and fine when you have a DFP - bit of a challenge to get the braking point exactly right with a DS2.

 

[Scaff]

Scaff, you used R5's? i'm bit disappointed at you.. after writing those great tuning manuals of yours, i thought that you could set-up even this car.. btw, your tuning manuals have really helped me to improve my driving.. or, atleast my cars settings. no more need for power in races, it's all about handling now.

That set-up was done for BESTuners (and most of those ran R5s) the car is normally run on S2's or S3's when racing or N3's when just having fun.

Give it a go with the lower grade tyres, the settings will still help out.

Thanks for the feedback on the tuning manuals as well, its great to here that they are proving useful.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Uncle Harry]

The problem with the Speed 12 is you are going so much faster than other cars. You need to brake at least 50 meters ealier than you normally do for a corner.
It is a shame as that acceleration is so addictive.
Handling is brilliant at sane cornering speeds and its limit is in fact higher than some very good handling cars in GT4.

 

[ImprezaAddict]

scaff said throtle control and i recomend also some tweaks to suspension

 

[sucahyo]

And if you want to use some of my tuning, use this:
- highest final drive to reduce spin from acceleration
- very long gearing for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th (very low gear ratio).

in short, change the auto to 25 after you move the final drive slider far to the right.

 

[RXGem]

I think you mean to slide the final drive slider to the left.. The lower the final drive ratio is the lower the rate of acceleration is.

 

[sucahyo]

I think you mean to slide the final drive slider to the left.. The lower the final drive ratio is the lower the rate of acceleration is.

No, I mean to the right.
Auto 25 at 5.500 has less spin than auto 25 at 2.500. remember to change the auto to 24 first if the auto already set at 25.

I don't think this is ever discussed before (in GT4).

 

[T4 GTR]

If my memory is still good I tried Racing hard or medium. Be careful when driving though as you really need to be a good driver for this car. Anyway you win a Speed 12 in the Blackpool Racer cup.

Cheers

T4 GTR

 

[the Interceptor]

By the way, I just did the "Blackpool Racers" Series for fun again, and I found these Speed 12 settings quite driveable:

what to buy:

- racing tires (hard)
- brake controller
- racing suspension
- fully customisable transmission
- wings (GT shop)


how to set it up:

- brake controller:
* front 6, back 3

- suspension:
* spring rate: front 10, back 9,0
* ride height: both 63mm
* dampers: all 7
* camber angle: front 3,0, back 1,0
* Toe angle: both 0
* stabiliser: both 6

- transmission:
* auto settings: 25 (set this first!)
* final: 3.500

- driving aids:
* no asm
* tcs 5, or less if you don't want to

- downforce:
* front 30, back 40

- weight balance:
* 200kg (max.) on the back

With some fine tuning, you might be able to optimise this, but it worked well for me, it never gave me any trouble driving the Speed 12. You still need to get used to the car though, but even the best setup won't save you from that.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[RXGem]

No, I mean to the right.
Auto 25 at 5.500 has less spin than auto 25 at 2.500. remember to change the auto to 24 first if the auto already set at 25.

I don't think this is ever discussed before (in GT4).

Oh, I get what you mean now because changing the auto set to 25 will create such low gear ratio's that you'll need to bring raise the final drive to bring the gear's closer together..

But..

- highest final drive to reduce spin from acceleration

is incorrect. A lower final drive will reduce the rate of acceleration.

Try playing with just the final drive and even just a difference of around +/-0.1 will make a quite noticable change to the power down.

Personally, I don't like to use the 'Tranny Trick'. I like to have my gears reach a certain speed depending on the amount of power the car produces and then fine tune the final drive according to the amount of traction I'm getting whilst on the throttle.


Generally, low torque cars will require 'shorter' (higher value) final drive ratio's so that there is more of a direct throttle response. Especially when drifting, there feels as though there is more torque when traction is broken and there is no sudden loss of power once coming off and on the throttle. High torque cars will require a 'taller' (lower vaule) final drive ratio to help 'spread' the torque band a little. Once traction is broken there is no sudden increase of power, which will result in a spin or too much wheel spin and not enough grip on exit. The throttle may feel a little less sensitive, but on the other hand, more controllable when traction is broken.

A taller final drive ratio is definately something I would use for a Speed 12. If you're losing too much traction on your Speed 12 try lowering the value of the final drive.



That's why I don't use the tranny trick. Transmission tuning can make quite a difference to the balance of a vehicle when done right. Some people don't see much of a difference I guess, or some just think that close and evenly spread gears is the best way (Tranny Trick)..

I don't understand why some people would spend hours trying to tune their cars for balance and then take a shortcut with the transmission when it can be such an effective tuning tool!


Anyways.. That's just my two cents.. and a bit.. LOL

 

[McLaren]

Though I liked the Speed 12, I only keep it for Photos.

I used the Tuscan and personally, felt it was the nicest and coolest TVR to drive. (Now if only I could do the same in Tx.)

 

[sucahyo]

But..
is incorrect. A lower final drive will reduce the rate of acceleration.

I create new thread in GT4 tuning section and answered in there too, because I think this can become a long answer .