*** New Corvette Z06 ***

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RobcioPL
The hottest thing about this car is, 0-60 in 3.8, and its still in 1st gear!!!!!
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Yep ! That makes me drool just a little bit too...although I am sure doing that too often will make the local GM service manager a happy man !@!
 
svtsnake
that RR aka redundant-retard was nothing but an american-anything hater, too bad the jackass didnt realize this site is an American Site, with an American Owner.

no porsche for the same price or even 30k added to the 65k price will compete with a '06 z06.
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I wouldn't go that far.
There are alot of European users on here. Alot. :)
2nd, a Porsche can hold its own at even the $80K point.

The fastest Porsche according to your addition ($95K) is the 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet.

And about $20K more and you get the 911 Turbo. Both these cars have been out for years though, so I don't know the equality of comparing a brand new sports car to cars quite a bit older.
 
Swift
I don't know, with numbers like this: (from C & D)

Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.7 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.7 sec @ 127 mph

Displacement: 428 cu in, 7008cc
Power (SAE net): 500 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 475 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm

That would put it pretty much on the supercar level in my book. Especially for the price.
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Can anybody help me find my jaw? It seemed to have dropped, and I can't find it.
 
TVR Tuscan S can almost match that with 110Bhp less.

0-60Mph - 3.8 sec
0-100Mph - 8.0 sec
Standing 1/4 mile - Not sure about this, I've seen an official time for a TVR Tamora at 12.5, the Tuscan S should be faster, the Cerbera 4.5 Red rose can do it in 11.6 the Tuscan S should be between the Red rose and the Tamora, probably about 12 - 12.2.

Displacement - 3996cc
Power - 390Bhp
Torque - 310lb/ft

So with less, it can achieve almost as much, a bit sloer to 100 and I'm not 100% sure on the 1/4 mile but the Vette should be faster there. Round the Nurb though, I'd love to compare lap times sometime, it'd be close.
 
Except almost nobody owns a TVR in America, I think I've seen one in Michigan and it was ugly as all hell. I can't remember what it was though.

Also what is the price on a TVR? I assume they are pretty expensive.

I don't know, with numbers like this: (from C & D)

Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.7 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.7 sec @ 127 mph

Displacement: 428 cu in, 7008cc
Power (SAE net): 500 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 475 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm

That would put it pretty much on the supercar level in my book. Especially for the price.
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I can vouch for those numbers. But with the average drive you'll reach 60 in about 4 - 4.2 seconds, I managed a 4 second run, but the GM testers managed much lower.
 
They're cheaper than a Z06, they're a contender for the cheapest performance for you're moeny around. They start at 30k, the Typhon is expensive, but thats a 220Mph supercar, that costs 80k.
 
BlazinXtreme
I can vouch for those numbers. But with the average drive you'll reach 60 in about 4 - 4.2 seconds, I managed a 4 second run, but the GM testers managed much lower.
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Yeah, that makes sense. But even if the average is > 5 seconds, that's still very quick!
 
live4speed
They're cheaper than a Z06, they're a contender for the cheapest performance for you're moeny around. They start at 30k, the Typhon is expensive, but thats a 220Mph supercar, that costs 80k.
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Wow! I thought all most all TVRs were $90K and up!
 
When converted to USD, yes it is. When you convert it to USD, the stock C6 at the UK's price is somewhat like $75k. It's just the cost of living is different...
 
A 30k TVR is not 80k USD, it's less than 60k USD, you're thinking of something in the price range of the Cerbera 4.5 Red rose which is frankly an insanely fast car for 460Bhp or the Sagaris. Tuscans are in the 30k range unless you get a top spec one then they go from 45k - 80k UK prices. Over here buying a Z06 would work out at being more than what you'd pay in the US as well. We get ripped off with car prices.
 
but the difference i heard with vettes and tvrs, is TVRs are totally unreliable.
TVRs are nice, but im a Corvette fan, its more legendary and has proven its self since '60s.
 
svtsnake
but the difference i heard with vettes and tvrs, is TVRs are totally unreliable.
TVRs are nice, but im a Corvette fan, its more legendary and has proven its self since '60s.
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I don't think anybody will argue that. Corvettes' history goes waaaaay back. In the 80's and most of 90's, I really didn't like American cars. Corvettes were exceptions though(along with 80's Camaros, my personal fav.). From the design standpoint, they were beautiful cars. 👍
 
Just a question.

Was it not true the TVR's started out as kit-cars? Insanely quick albeit seriously unreliable ones?
 
^Yes, thats true.

svtsnake
but the difference i heard with vettes and tvrs, is TVRs are totally unreliable.
TVRs are nice, but im a Corvette fan, its more legendary and has proven its self since '60s.
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No thats not true, I fully exepct an American to favour Corvettes just as much as most Brit's will favour the TVR. Howerver, reliability is not a big issue now, they arn't built as well as you'd like in terms of the trim, but the mechanicals are sound. It's the AJP8 engines that were breaking down because they were racing engines and needed to be treated as such, but people were just starting the cars up and revving them all over without warming it up properly. The AJ6 being used now is a proper road car engine, albeit a very performance oriented one, but it's still made for road use. I know a guy who has a Tuscan S, fantastic car, hasn't broken down once, he used to have a Cerbera with the AJP8, had a few problems with the engine in that. He's had a Griffith 500 too, lucky bast..d. As for the Corvette having more history, it has, but that doesn't make it a better car. Which is better is down to preference, me I'd take the TVR with slightly lower build quality but TVR's are my fave car company, the Aston DB9 is my fave car, but theres not a single TVR that doesn't have some sort of appeal to me.
 
Some people need to give the Corvette the respect it deserves and stop underestimating it, especially the C6 as it rang up 7'56 at the N-Ring. Let me remind you the particular C6 Dave Hill drove was the average, every day, run-of-the-mill, base model. It had no form upgrade what-so-ever. And oh! Look what just the base model Corvette beats:

Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo (600hp w/ Ring Suspension) - 7'57
Porsche 911 Carrera S (997 w/ Performance Chasis) - 7'59
Porsche 911 Carrera S (997 w/ Sport PASM Setting) - 8'02
Porsche 911 Carrera S (997 w/ Regular PASM Setting) - 8'05
Porsche 996 GT3 - 8'03
Porsche 993 GT3 - 8'12
Porsche 911 Carrera - 8'15
RUF 911 CTR 2 (520hp) - 8'15

And to those who don't consider the Corvette to yet be a Supercar... Look at what that very same base model C6 took out along with the abundance of Porshche cars:

Lamborghini Diablo GT (567hp) - 8'04
Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 (515hp) - 8'05
Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG (493hp) - 8'06
Ferrari 550 Maranello (485hp) - 8'07
Ferrari 360 Modena (395hp) - 8'09
Lamborghini Diablo SV (510hp) - 8'09
Dodge Viper SRT-10 (500hp) - 8'10
Aston Martin V12 Vanquish (460hp) - 8'17

In my opinion, it takes a Supercar to beat a Supercar. Look what the C6 model has accomplished already? Hell, it's competing with cars that have 200hp over it. It's competing against cars that double its MRSP in the least. So to say that not even the base model C6 isn't a Supercar is just blasphemy! And to even think that the Z06 is just barely touching the realm of Supercars is compeletly ignorant.

People like to say the Corvette will do at least the minimum, and many times before the Corvette has done more than any car twice it's value has accomplished. The 2006 Z06 will be no different, and I wouldn't be suprised if it kept up with the Zonda C12 or Mercielago.

Chevrolet already has a car that will compete with the Viper SRT-10 and cars of that class... Thats the base C6. Undoubtingly Chevrolet will be shooting for bigger game with the 2006 Z06. I'm think the Corvette will rank up there with the S7, GT, C12, and Mercielago - only as far as performance goes. I'm fully confedate that the Z06 will suprise a lot of manufactures and for a while be the King of the Hill as far as affordability and sheer performance for the buck goes.
 
Most Caterham or Westfields would beat that C6, would you consider a Caterham or a Westfield a supercar? I'm not knocking the Corvette, and I'd say the Z06 is a supercar in comparison to what most define as a supercar. Some who know me though will tell you that I don't class what most class as a supercar as supercars, I tend to reserve that for very special cars, 911's arn't proper supercars IMO, neithers the Ferrari 360, F430, Lamborghini Gallardo ect. A proper supercar is along the lines of a Pagani Zonda R, Koenigsegg CCR and Ferrari Enzo. But as I said, I'm not knocking the Z06, I just don't like it's styling as much as a TVR's, and it'd cost a hell of a lot more to run, service and own over here than equvielent European cars.
 
Besides performance, i think the more user friendly a car is; the less of a super car it is in most cases.the corvettes give sportscar reliability, but they perform in the supercar group. Not so much luxury and speed... more like practicality and speed. Its daily driver capable.


then there are the pure trackday cars which dont quite fit into the sports or super car categories, mostly because they are not street legal and impractical.
 
No, a Caterham wouldn't beat a base C6. In comparison to the CSR 260, there is 1.4 second (at best) difference in 0-60 time. Thats all the CRS 260 has to compete with - that and handling that would have to achieve 70mph+ in the 600M slalom. All the Vette has to do is beat a 1.4 second lead.

But knowing the Superlight R's N-Ring time of 8'06, I'm sure this would be no problem for the Vette, especially considering the amount of straights at Nurburgring. It certainly wouldn't be any problem for the C6 Z06. There is only a .3 second difference in acceleration between the R500 and 260. After that shot of acceleration (which would last 10 seconds to even compare with the Vette) is over, there would be no competition. The C6 would overtake and continue to pull away at every straight. I believe thats how it would go.

But I don't even consider the Caterham to be a suitable car. It has virtually no safety, no heating or air conditoning, no comfort, no luxury... It has nothing. It's an engine with four wheels. IMO, it's nothing but a four-wheeled high-performance motorcycle.
 
Ok I got photos of the new Z06 at Goodwood FOS expect the photos to be posted up next cople of days buds.
 
Round the Ring, you bet a Caterham CRS would beat the C6. Anyway, you're missing my point, you'd hardly call a CRS a supercar even though it can beat cars 3,4 or even 5 times it's price. Being a Supercar isn't all about performance.
 
Thats all a Supercar is! It's performance!

A Caterham is no different than a Ninja or Hyabusa(sp?), thats why a comparison between a Caterham and C6 is stupid. They're completely different breeds of transportation. It's like comparing a Ninja with a Gallardo.
 
A Caterham is a car not a bike, so by you're definition, a Caterham must be a Supercar or there has to be more than just performance. A Supercar is a no compromise road car thats built to maximise performance regardless of luxuries like a radio ect that can perform with the fastest cars out there in acceleration, top speed and handling, the Corvette does not fit that bill, it's too compromised to be a racer for the road, thats my definition. Different people define a supercar differently, you're not wrong, because thats by you're definition, the same goes for mine.
 
Well, for me the supercar class isn't so exclusive. A supercar to me is one which simply excells in track performance over defined road practicality. I mean there are tons (also literally lol) of cars out there not particularly geared for the road, but are by the manufacturers considered road cars. For example, any Lamborghini (except for the Gallardo) would be beyond road practicality and be more track based cars, thus making them supercars. Or how about the Enzo? Which I do believe is street legal in the United States, however it isn't road prone, but geared for track. Or another example would be the Ford GT. It's completely street legal, but again, not exactly something you'd take to and from work. There is simply just too much power in the punch for them to be considered just road/sports cars.

IMO, a sportscar is usually more tamed, meaning it has more road practicality than track performance. For a long time the Corvette remained king of this hill. It was a sportscar, it had adequate or more luxuries, and the gas mileage was awesome. The ride wasn't as smooth and the road noise was deafening, but just imagine how an Enzo would sound with its engine blarring away behind you. Imagine how untamed an Enzo would be in traffic from one traffic light to another. Mustangs are more road geared, but because of this, their performance on the track suffers - making them sportscars.

Thats basically the basis of my judging what is and isn't a sportscar or supercar. If the Caterham is even considered a car in whatever country it is produced, than I would gladly call it a supercar. IMO, a supercar is all about track peformance, but that doesn't necessarily mean it needs 600hp-800hp.
 
Well you're entitled to that, and thats nice in depth description of how you decide. We both agree the Z06 is a great performer.
 
FAOLIU05
If the Caterham is even considered a car in whatever country it is produced, than I would gladly call it a supercar. IMO, a supercar is all about track peformance, but that doesn't necessarily mean it needs 600hp-800hp.
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Caterhams - for there are many models - are produced in the UK and they must conform with all legislation governing cars, not motorbikes, to be road legal.

And they do. So they are.
 
Although we don't get TVR's in the US so does it really matter how they preform based to the vette? They won't ever share the road since I can't see the vette doing well in England.
 

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