*** New Corvette Z06 ***

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thanks god he's banned...

not for the vulgar stuff - but for dissing the C6 Z06, you just shouldn't be allowed to do that ! :D
 
Wow--I just don't even know where to start. In fact, I don't think I will. RR, GO AWAY. The rest of us are trying to have a lively discussion. [edit] AWESOME!! He got banned while I was replying!! Schweet!

Cracker, I don't think all that cross development stuff is just a bunch of marketing. I think there really is a lot more racing technology that goes into your car than you think, especially in the case where you have a successful racing program, and a new road car is developed simultaneously with the next gen race car. I would expect the same from aston when they develop their next car, and I would supect the same is true of the 575. The problem is, the road versions of these car all have varying levels of similarity with the race cars. The MC12 is all but the same. The S7 less so, but still pretty similar. The Z06? The DB9? the 575? Less close, as evidenced by the performance disparity between the race car and the road car. That amount of disparity is surely not a great measure of "similarity" to the actual race car, but not having good technical specs(ie, a real list of shared parts or anything) on ANY of the race cars, this is about as close as you can get. And that puts the Z06 closer to the MC12 and S7 side of the scale than the DB9 and 575.

And it has just dawned on me that all we're debating at this point is a matter of degree, and even that, the relative matter of degree from one car to the next.
 
Just to show how dedicated the corvette developement team is to their design, GM built a test track specifically for race-tuned suspensions and gathering data. Although they will still go to Nurb for some testing and media attention.
 
TwinTurboJay
Just to show how dedicated the corvette developement team is to their design, GM built a test track specifically for race-tuned suspensions and gathering data. Although they will still go to Nurb for some testing and media attention.
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Yeah, I read about that. it looks pretty sweet.

Just for the record. Pound for pound, the Z06 will flat out own anything else in it's class/price range that I can think of. Except maybe the new M3 when it comes out.
 
live4speed
Or a TVR.
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Hmm....hadn't thought about that one. How are TVR's on the track? I know the vette is sweet on a track.
 
but don't TVRs have terrible road maners and poor reliability > thats what I have heard, the vette is a perfectly viable daily driver car, with a good warranty to boot !
 
TwinTurboJay
but don't TVRs have terrible road maners and poor reliability > thats what I have heard, the vette is a perfectly viable daily driver car, with a good warranty to boot !
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Even if you track it!

Man, I would really be surprised if the M3 will be that close to the Vette. It only weighs 100lbs more than a Carrera GT. 500 is a lot of horses, and the torque curve is so flat, too. Its kind of a tall order to fill, especially if you're handicapped with back seats. The last M3 and Z06 weren't really that close, and I kind of expect the gap to widen a little with the step up to the new Z06. The price ought to be competitive. Now, the base vette and the M3 should be some tight competition. But the Z06 is going to be fighting with things like the F430, 911 GT2, Viper, and Ford GT. The "almost-a-supercar" class is a little different class than the M3 and Base vette.
 
skicrush
As for my disagreeing, the C6 ring time (which was pretty close to the C5 Z06 time, I think) was 10 seconds better than the 550 or 575, and the 360 and 996 have the same lap times, with the 996 seeming to get the edge. If anything, it makes you wonder why the MC12 is in the same class as the vettes.
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Sorry but I'm not so sure of the Nurburgring times. I know the C6 is very fast, but I personally do not think it could beat a 575. You must also understand that Ferrari designs their cars around flat Italian tracks, Fiorano and Mugello particularly. These tracks are so much different than the Nurburgring it's hardly fair to compare a Ferrari set up for Fiorano (very smooth) than to a Porsche designed for the Nurburgring (and the C6, designed at the Lutzring or whatever they call it).

I would also say that having driven a 996(C2) and a 360 Spider (slightly slower than the Modena) the 996 is not nearly as fast. Yes, it's still very fast, but it doesn't feel anywhere near as fast.

I must say I agree with you on the MC12, no idea what it's doing with the C6s...lol
 
skicrush
Even if you track it!

Man, I would really be surprised if the M3 will be that close to the Vette. It only weighs 100lbs more than a Carrera GT. 500 is a lot of horses, and the torque curve is so flat, too. Its kind of a tall order to fill, especially if you're handicapped with back seats. The last M3 and Z06 weren't really that close, and I kind of expect the gap to widen a little with the step up to the new Z06. The price ought to be competitive. Now, the base vette and the M3 should be some tight competition. But the Z06 is going to be fighting with things like the F430, 911 GT2, Viper, and Ford GT. The "almost-a-supercar" class is a little different class than the M3 and Base vette.
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I don't know, with numbers like this: (from C & D)

Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.7 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.7 sec @ 127 mph

Displacement: 428 cu in, 7008cc
Power (SAE net): 500 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 475 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm

That would put it pretty much on the supercar level in my book. Especially for the price.
 
Swift
Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.7 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.7 sec @ 127 mph

Displacement: 428 cu in, 7008cc
Power (SAE net): 500 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 475 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm


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💡 💡 💡 :dopey: :dopey: :dopey:

Sounds like my '91 mazda 626's specs...finaly, some competition !
 
skicrush
Cracker, I don't think all that cross development stuff is just a bunch of marketing. I think there really is a lot more racing technology that goes into your car than you think, especially in the case where you have a successful racing program, and a new road car is developed simultaneously with the next gen race car.
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You really are being fooled by those marketing men arn't you! - they're certainly earning their pay!

I've looked on the Corvette Racing website that you so kindly left a link for in another thread - all your arguements come straight, almost word for word from that site. And whats the site? - a marketing tool!!! nothing more, nothing less.
And it backs up my argument of just how much, or how little the racing and road cars have in common.

All that talk of 'cross development' is just a bunch of crap, the cars have almost completely different drivetrains and chassis/suspension set-up. The braking system is completely different, the entire interior is completely different, the two cars share no body panels, the engines are situated differently (same area, different position) they have different fuel systems, different electronic systems and even the glass they use for the front and rear screens, which i originally said were the same are not - the C6-R uses a NASCAR style screen with metal strengthening bars. Even the passenger structure that you go on about will be majorly strengthened by the extensive intergrated rollcage. The road and race versions of the vette are built and developed by two seperate groups of individuals probably sited on different sides of the country - the cars share very few components, and are built for completely different purposes - what 'development could they possibly share?
 
but don't TVRs have terrible road maners and poor reliability > thats what I have heard, the vette is a perfectly viable daily driver car, with a good warranty to boot !
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The TVR is probably more viable day to day than a vette in UK, possibly Europe.

I agree with the cracker. The way people go on about certain models winning races is frustrating. Cars aren't adapted for ALMS and touring cars, they're vitually rebuilt under the body shell.
 
ExigeExcel
The TVR is probably more viable day to day than a vette in UK, possibly Europe.

I agree with the cracker. The way people go on about certain models winning races is frustrating. Cars aren't adapted for ALMS and touring cars, they're vitually rebuilt under the body shell.
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Viable ? Not to be argumentative ( but I am going to be ) I've read that they are not driver friendly at all, the straight 6 engine they have, while very powerful, does not like to be drivin @ less than 9/10 ths....its shifting and clutch are heavy and race like, which do not make for an good everyday driver...I mean, they are beautiful cars, and I would love to own one, but...its manufactured by a boutique car company, which gives it a rare quality, BUT relates to so many other problems....
 
Man, Swift, I thought those were M3 numbers until I got to the displacement!! You scared the crap out of me!!
TheCracker
You really are being fooled by those marketing men arn't you! - they're certainly earning their pay!

I've looked on the Corvette Racing website that you so kindly left a link for in another thread - all your arguements come straight, almost word for word from that site. And whats the site? - a marketing tool!!! nothing more, nothing less.
And it backs up my argument of just how much, or how little the racing and road cars have in common.

All that talk of 'cross development' is just a bunch of crap, the cars have almost completely different drivetrains and chassis/suspension set-up. The braking system is completely different, the entire interior is completely different, the two cars share no body panels, the engines are situated differently (same area, different position) they have different fuel systems, different electronic systems and even the glass they use for the front and rear screens, which i originally said were the same are not - the C6-R uses a NASCAR style screen with metal strengthening bars. Even the passenger structure that you go on about will be majorly strengthened by the extensive intergrated rollcage. The road and race versions of the vette are built and developed by two seperate groups of individuals probably sited on different sides of the country - the cars share very few components, and are built for completely different purposes - what 'development could they possibly share?
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You're right--if it says on their website that they share components (like the WHOLE CHASSIS, engine block, etc), or that they were developed "in conjunction" with one another, they are just lying for marketing purposes. They never used a better component on the Z06 because homologation rules would then allow them to use that better part on the race car. And they CERTAINLY didn't figure ANYTHING out racing the C5Rs that they actually USED on the C6 or C6 Z06.

Seriously, what qualifies as "same" or "similar" for you? All race cars have different trannies. The Chassis is the same (and what's this crap about passenger structure? You obviously haven't seen the vette's chassis--it's all the same structure), the suspension is VERY similar--they use coils instead of the leaves to make it easier to change them out for different races, but the rest is pretty close to the same. Of course a 700+ hp car needs a different fuel delivery system. Different electronics? Well, since power seats, A/C, nav, and a 6 disc CD changer aren't options on a C6R, I'd say you're right there, too. And WHAT INTERIOR? Its a RACE CAR! the interior consists of a driver's seat!

Boy, you sure showed me!!
 
Easy gentlemen. Enough hostility in the thread for one day.

FYI, I doubt the next M3 (E90/E91) will get near a C6 Z06's performance levels. The car will be down ~75-100 hp and be overweight by almost 500 lbs. It will be very quick, but not C6 Z06 quick.

Probably just enough to take out a Carrera S while undercutting the price by 10k ;)

If BMW is smart, they'll price it right around $55,000. But realisticaly speaking, it will be in the mid-60s out the door.


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Whats with all this negativity towards TVR? Some older models were unreliable, they don't break down if you don't thrash them every time you drive them which their owners tend to do.

1st off, TVR's are very, very adept on a track, take the T350C for example, it's beaten lap times from the Viper SRT10, BMW M3 CSL and was 3 tebths of a second off the 911GT3. And the T350C is TVR's ENTRY LEVEL CAR. The Tuscan is faster still, the Sagaris is faster again, the Typhon should be phenominaly fast. I would agree with Swift, that here in the UK a TVR is a more sane choice than a Corvette, scratch that, a T350C or Cerbera is a more sane choice than a Corvette possible a lower spec Tuscan, the rest of their models are very race car like hence the frequent servicing ect. You know the Speed 12 needs to have it's oil warmed up for half an hour before it's driven, it's also the only car to get 11 1/2 out of 5 in EVO (11 1/2 eh, bit tongue in cheek sine it's the Speed 12), but they did say it's the fastest supercar they've ever been in in terms of brutal acceleration. When the TVR mechanic asked John Barker (the EVO guy that drove it) what he'd driven, Barker said "Enzo, McLaren F1, lot's of stuff", Greenwood (the TVR's cheif mechanic) didn't think he'd handle the car. He did but they later found out it was running with limited power due to the ECU being re-mapped. Anyhow I'm going off at a tangent here so back to the Corvette.

TVR's rule.
 
Since that dolt RR is gone I'm not even going to bother owning his points.

Well after spending yet another day with the Z06 I'm almost conviced that it is one of the best sports cars on the road today. I got to do a ride along on the road course today as they were testing some suspension thing to see how it held up again something. I don't know another excuse to play with it. But the thing felt like it was on rails, the tester John, was pushing that thing hard through the corners and it was sticking. Until any of you experience the car the way I have done I'm not going to say you are right.

Also while having a bit of fun John thought he could drift (powerslide as we call it) the thing. Suprisingly the Z06 got sideways with little effort and a lot of throttle.

Then at lunch I was able to drive one with a guy I was working with to get a bite to eat. That thing felt solid on the road, but the ride was rough due to stiff suspension. It felt like a sports car so anyone questioning this it isn't a high end lux car. Michigan roads are by far the worst in the nation so that could have been part of the problem.

Turns out that I will be working a lot on the Corvette program in the upcoming months, since I know Unigraphics I'll be working on some stuff for it. I'm so thrilled I get to use the crappiest design program to work on the coolest car. But don't ask me anything about it because when CGIT's are on the team we get the crappy things to design like brakets. I'm just glad to be moving on from the GMT 900 project.
 
Probably not since I got very luckey and was able to get in. The get thing about being an intern is you get to move around a lot. My next set of tasks will be more then likely working in a plant, which will be cool except I don't get along with GM UAW guys all that well. You have to know someone high up the GM latter to get a job now.
 
I guess GM liked you because you drove one of the baddest Chevrolets ever made.
You still have it, don't you? :D
 
McLaren F1GTR
I guess GM liked you because you drove one of the baddest Chevrolets ever made.
You still have it, don't you? :D
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I still have the Xtreme, I'm trying to get rid of it though.

However for some reason I can't get the intership back at GM, I'm going to try for VAG since they are right down the road from me.
 
that RR aka redundant-retard was nothing but an american-anything hater, too bad the jackass didnt realize this site is an American Site, with an American Owner.

no porsche for the same price or even 30k added to the 65k price will compete with a '06 z06.
 

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