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- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- ASTRO_BS-AS
New physics (update 1.31)
- Thread starter Dess81
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Handbrake is binary. Rear brakes can be modulated. You want just the right amount of dive/load on the fronts and slip on the rear to turn into the corner. This is how you drive real cars, other racing sims and to a lesser extent pre-1.31 GT7. Now it's cartoonish old Gran Turismo physics again.
I talk about locking the rears completely to prove a point. If abusing the brakes without ABS doesn't even lock the rears, the rear brakes aren't working or the rear tyres have too much grip. This is not fun.
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Fixing the throttle map and adjusting traction control was sufficient enough to fix the previous physics. What they did now is a massive overcorection and I honestly don't even feel like playing the game anymore.
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I only heard the version "slow is smooth and smooth is fast" (I think it was driver61 on youtube?)
I read on different forums and boards that people usually use only 11-17nm of torque. Everything higher and they wrestle the wheel instead of the car/simulator...
- 192
- Finland
- djolliea
ABS Weak feels good to me and overall the physics are now massively better and much more realistic than before 1.31. Cars handle and feel more like in real life. In VR with a wheel everything just clicks and feels very accurate. Under braking and cornering you can now actually sense the weight transfer when it used to feel like nothing, like the car was "floating". This helps a lot when trail braking.
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- 265
- Oxfordshire
- Bread_45
Hmm, you may be onto something. I've been looking at the red portion of the braking bar. With ABS off and playing with the balance, the red section seems smaller than I remember previously. The proportion of red bar for full front or full rear bias seems unchanged, in that the full rear weakens the stronger front brakes giving about double the amount of red bar, vs if you set to full front bias.
But the red bits always seem smaller overall, than before.
With ABS on, even weak, it seems to trigger very early and give lots of red bar under any balance setting. Previously I thought it still reflected the balance.
And even with ABS off, during the final stages of braking with lots of tyre squeal, the red bar pulses a little almost as if there's still some antilock effect, albeit minimal
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- 851
- Spain
Not necessarily, it depends on the car.
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
I’m one of those try-hards-posers that run an alpha male 20nm base. I haven’t been able to find good information on how much force I’m actually using IG. My in game settings are as per recommended by Fanatec (5-1), but for gr.3 cars and below, I run the base at 100%. For gr.2 I run it at 90% (because the increased down force makes 100% too much), and for Gr.1/prototypes - I run about 80-85%, for the same reasons.
All of these different “percentages” that I run for high downforce cars, feel just as heavy, if not heavier than the “100%” that I run on the base for gt.3 cars.
Which brings me back to the original question. If 80% on Gr.1 cars feels exactly the same - if not heavier than 100% on GT3 cars…. Then how many NM am I actually running at 100% on said GT3 cars?
Regardless, the wheel does beat you up a bit running heavy torque like that, but I do notice that I sacrifice detail (and realism to an extent 🙄), if I run lower torque values than that.
Maybe @super_gt can shed some light?
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- 835
- United States
- dabz343
FFB has improved, especially the understeer on entry. The Gr3 cars on RMs with 6x tirewear feels satisfying, but there is still an odd traction slip out of slow corners in some cars like the AMG 20. Add just a tad too much steering angle and she spins like you ran over a patch of slimy algae. Could this be a heat (or load, or both) related issue in the tire model? Maybe just the diff setting?
I'd like to try different car/tire combos other than Gr3, any suggestions on good & ugly?
I'd like to try different car/tire combos other than Gr3, any suggestions on good & ugly?
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- Didcot, Oxfordshire
- danardif1
Yeah that's the key difference I find from the other sims I use. I ran a really aggressive setup at a Monza race on ACC last week, and had the brake bias nearly at 50% so quite far back (Audi R8 Evo), and braking for T1 at the absolute latest point had the car shaking as the abs worked on keeping the rear stable whilst I was slamming the pedal. It was fast though as it wasn't bad enough to unsettle the car so I had a nice pointy front end for the corners.
There's no way to recreate that effect in GT7 though, as much as it is really good in other areas, in braking it feels like it's still got kid gloves on a bit.
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- 231
- England
The more I play the better I like the physics. The tyre wear of RI and Wets when on a dry track is great you sometimes have to search out the wet bits of track to cool them down to extend their life,also the loss of adhesion in the wet on RH,RM,R/S is a lot more realistic. I think the biggest plus is the increased stability under hard braking,pre update some cars were just undriveable due to the crazy weaving,I just hope they don’t change it and bugger up the whole game.
- 693
- Didcot, Oxfordshire
- danardif1
I've also really enjoyed the way that cars drive on intermediate and wet tyres. If you watch a lot of onboards of GT cars etc driving in the wet, you can see that the drivers are able to put in a lot of lock and to try and induce understeer. This style often works well in those conditions as you're keeping the rear more in check and the stability helps build confidence in the tricky weather. This is completely possible to recreate within GT7 and it's actually quite rewarding to adapt your technique to the conditions.