new track DLC part 2

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Yes DLC is optional but in this specific case if I want something that has been in every single previous GT game I have to pay extra. That rubs me up the wrong way, some version of the track and the tests should have made it to the disc.
 
Ed Nut
if GT5 was meant to be a technical precursor to GT6, then it should not have given it a full $60 (and CE) release, and i really wouldn't call an oval with some scenery a complete new track.
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You are obviously trolling as does Simonk 24/7.
 
toronado
guys, i'm pretty sure a member of the moderation staff posting in the thread twice saying that the thread isn't against the aup and not locking it afterwards (and in fact banning someone for personally attacking the op) means you can stop making posts purely to say that you reported it for being against the aup.
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toronado
but what have you been cheated out of? The only post in this thread that has a valid thing missing from gt5 that sorta supports your point is the one shirikawa posted.


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kaz also said that the game was done and ready to ship in october of 2009, and said that the game was delayed throughout 2010 because they needed more time to track down bugs but otherwise the game was complete. something doesn't add up.


There's also something to be said for the idea that if sony didn't tell kaz that enough was enough, the game would never have come out.
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Okay, sorry. I have learned my lesson. (About the reporting thing) :guilty:
 
What's ironic, is that many people label day one DLC as a cash grab and frown at its appearance.

Yet GT5 is probably the game that had needed day one DLC the most.
 
terminator363
Yes, indeed you've made it clear your are trolololling.

Reported.
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MGS2 Snake
You have been reported.
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If you gentlemen had read the full thread you would see that this point has already been addressed.

Further more the staff do not like members attempting to influence moderation actions, as such if you feel the need to report a thread then just do it. You do not need to shout it from the roof tops as well, particularly when you have failed to read moderation action in the thread already.


Scaff
 
TeggD
Also I don't recall GT5 being GT6. We always knew GT6 was going to be more complete. GT5 took longish but they gave us a lot for a first release.
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I'm not sure when the general consensus changed, so maybe I'm alone here - but I expect a complete game each iteration. No game series should be allowed to sell an incomplete game with the promise that "hey, the next one will be better, promise". Especially one with such a long development lead.

That said, at least PD has shown they're dedicated to updating the game, since it's hardly recognizable from ver1.0.

Last time round we had GT3 which was tiny. Also since when did people just expect GT to offer all this? Other games don't even do half as much let alone at this quality.
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Other games offer higher quality than over half of GT.

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I can understand people complaining an EA/Activision product doesn't have enough but levelling that at GT is stupid.
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I don't give any game special treatment - I've enjoyed Mortal Kombat for silliness since I've owned it, but I think the extra fighters are so stupidly over-priced that I refuse to buy the DLC on principle. I didn't like the price of Car Pack 2 for GT5 on the basis that 3/4 cars were of little interest to me, and $1 per car is higher than some other games, but this new DLC? I'm all on board.

I see both sides about this track DLC - on one hand, it really was a disappointing omission to not have Machine Testing in GT5 when every previous full iteration of the series had it. Especially considering there are some obviously ported-over GT4 tracks, I'm sure the Test Course could've been brought with them.

On the other hand - this is a new course, built from the ground up (though it looks at least partially influenced by the course creator). That almost justifies the price, for me; though I wouldn't look at the oft-quoted "two years of man-hours" to produce it, as it probably took far, far less if it's as simple as we're expecting. I'm still buying it though, as when it's rolled in with the new car DLC, the price doesn't bother me too much. I want to test my cars, and now, I finally can more consistently!

(EDIT) I'm going to add something that Scaff touched on only a few hours ago - the staff is getting increasingly tired of the frequency of the term "troll". Someone simply having a different opinion from you doesn't make them one.
 
SimonK
I totally agree we shouldn't be paying extra for them to add a feature back in that was removed after being in every game previous.
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Ill answer this one from another thread in fact I think someone else mentioned fps not including previous maps in new releases my point on this as it was before PD was under no obligation to include the test track in gt5 nor did they advertise it on release people have a choice on purchase but the track costs money to create and pd being a business would like a return on what they spent money creating
 
Ed Nut
if GT5 was meant to be a technical precursor to GT6, then it should not have given it a full $60 (and CE) release, and i really wouldn't call an oval with some scenery a complete new track.
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But GT5 isn't a prologue for GT6, it's a separate game deserving a title of its own. Yes, it's not as polished as we like, but it's still a full-sized game, and not a demo. I mean, look at the huge amount of content and replay value we got out of $60 or the $100 we paid for the Collector's Edition.

If PD used your logic with each predecessor as a technical precursor, then GT5 would be called GT6 Prologue and GT6 be called GT7 Prologue and so on...
 
if someone has a PS2 and gt4 handy, go look at gt4 tsukuba and gt5 tsukuba, gt4 monaco and gt5 monaco, and gt4 grand valley and gt5 grand valley, if you like check them all, they're the same.

if you can spot any differences in any of these tracks i would be amazed, and on this basis alone i am mad that they didn't include all the old tracks.
they have the same 2d trees, and low res textures on and of track.
 
chosho, teggd made the point that 'we all knew gt6 would be more complete' as an argument for gt5 being so uncomplete. i don't know any other way to interpret that.

R1600: it's 2 long straights, and some banked bends, with some scenery. it can be as new as it likes, it doesn't take a year to put together, or warrant my $4.
 
thelvynau
Ill answer this one from another thread in fact I think someone else mentioned fps not including previous maps in new releases my point on this as it was before PD was under no obligation to include the test track in gt5 nor did they advertise it on release people have a choice on purchase but the track costs money to create and pd being a business would like a return on what they spent money creating
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No they didn't have to but they could have and they obviously wanted to because now here it is as DLC. I mean they didn't have to include anything from previous games but they did because it made sense and they knew what was wanted. How would you have felt if they removed licence tests then added them as DLC?

R1600Turbo
It's been built from scratch from the ground up. It's new.
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How do you know that exactly?
 
Ed Nut
i bought the collectors edition, thinking i was buying a complete game
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Then you truly are naive.This is the nature of gaming nowadays, if you wasn't aware of that then you sure should be now. And before being so fast to complain about what we are being charged for (bonus items that the game doesn't require to run smooth, just nice additions) don't forget all the free updates we havn't been charged for, stuff that was required to help the game run smoother and perform better. Recent developments in this game have yet again added to it's shelf life and value for money. Purchase a regular game such as God of War, Bioshock, Reistance and so forth and you have a limited life within it (with exception of the online gameplay of Resistance for example) yet for the same shelf price GT5 offers a far wider gaming experiance that doesn't totaly rely upon online multiplayer gaming.
 
SimonK
No they didn't have to but they could have and they obviously wanted to because now here it is as DLC. I mean they didn't have to include anything from previous games but they did because it made sense and they knew what was wanted. How would you have felt if they removed licence tests then added them as DLC?
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I wouldnt mind because I simply wouldnt buy it but if they created new content to build the tests then they would deserve to be paid for it regardless of whether it was in the last game or not
 
so, xpower, you accept that when you spend money on a full priced game, that it may be in any state of completion, and you're fine with that?
 
Ed Nut
R1600: it's 2 long straights, and some banked bends, with some scenery. it can be as new as it likes, it doesn't take a year to put together, or warrant my $4.
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And all the scenery? Doesn't matter how easy you think it looks to put together, it take time and man hours with someone on the clock getting paid to make the damn thing. Would you like it if you spent a couple months working on a job and didn't get paid for it?

Didn't think so. This thread is beyond pointless.

XPOWER180
Then you truly are naive.This is the nature of gaming nowadays, if you wasn't aware of that then you sure should be now. And before being so fast to complain about what we are being charged for (bonus items that the game doesn't require to run smooth, just nice additions) don't forget all the free updates we havn't been charged for, stuff that was required to help the game run smoother and perform better. Recent developments in this game have yet again added to it's shelf life and value for money. Purchase a regular game such as God of War, Bioshock, Reistance and so forth and you have a limited life within it (with exception of the online gameplay of Resistance for example) yet for the same shelf price GT5 offers a far wider gaming experiance that doesn't totaly rely upon online multiplayer gaming.
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We really know nothing about GT6, or it's ability to be more complete. I agree when I first played GT5, it felt unfinished. But, the amount of work Polyphony has put into it over the last year has me feeling very good about them as a company. I truly believe they care about their products and fans.

I suspect Polyphony will deliver with GT6, due to their current efforts in making GT5 an outstanding driver.
 
XPOWER180
Then you truly are naive.This is the nature of gaming nowadays, if you wasn't aware of that then you sure should be now. And before being so fast to complain about what we are being charged for (bonus items that the game doesn't require to run smooth, just nice additions) don't forget all the free updates we havn't been charged for, stuff that was required to help the game run smoother and perform better. Recent developments in this game have yet again added to it's shelf life and value for money. Purchase a regular game such as God of War, Bioshock, Reistance and so forth and you have a limited life within it (with exception of the online gameplay of Resistance for example) yet for the same shelf price GT5 offers a far wider gaming experiance that doesn't totaly rely upon online multiplayer gaming.
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They could not have gotten away with charging money for any of the updates so far given it should have all been on the disc, as even Kaz admits by saying the game wasn't finished.
 
SimonK
They could not have gotten away with charging money for any of the updates so far given it should have all been on the disc, as even Kaz admits by saying the game wasn't finished.
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But they didnt charge us for the updates how is that relevant
 
SimonK
They could not have gotten away with charging money for any of the updates so far given it should have all been on the disc, as even Kaz admits by saying the game wasn't finished.
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Then shouldn't everyone here be whining to Sony? Since it was their ultimate decision to push the game out the door? Everyone is so quick to blame PD these days without knowing the facts.
 
and already payed them $100 for the game. many others paid $60-100 dollars, world wide. they have already made a lot of money.
 
Ed Nut
and already payed them $100 for the game. many others paid $60-100 dollars, world wide. they have already made a lot of money.
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Just because they have already made money doesnt mean it ends there thats like your boss saying but we already paid you last month
 
if i hadn't finished my work on time from the last month, and my boss paid me, i wouldn't then stop that work, i'd finish it, on my dime, because i'd want to give him the finished product they where paying me for.
 
Ed Nut
if i hadn't finished my work on time from the last month, and my boss paid me, i wouldn't then stop that work, i'd finish it, on my dime, because i'd want to give him the finished product they where paying me for.
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Not if you were on salary you would still get your wage while you were still working

Edit: we arent talking about fixing a mistake we are talking about additions if someone wanted something added to the original product then you still would pay
 
Spagetti69
What oval? The new X-track stuff?
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Special Stage Route X has been confirmed to be an oval, like the old Test Track. It's certainly used for speed testing. So unless there is a road course that fits around it as an alternative configuration, that's all you get.

I'm curious as to whether the circuit going past the radio telescope arrays in the trailer is Special Stage Route X or an entirely new circuit in its own right. Telescope arrays are usually built in wide, open spaces high above sea level to prevent interference.
 

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