new track DLC part 2

[Ed Nut]

when in doubt, attack the grammar. well played sir. (sarcasm)

my point is, if i where to make a product, and was forced to release it before it was done, at full price, i would finish it without charging extra. this is what the patches equate to, and what i feel the 'route X' and any standard to premium upgraded cars should fall under.

 

[GTP_Gearhead]

when in doubt, attack the grammar. well played sir. (sarcasm)

my point is, if i where to make a product, and was forced to release it before it was done, at full price, i would finish it without charging extra. this is what the patches equate to, and what i feel the 'route X' and any standard to premium upgraded cars should fall under.

At what point in your mind will the game finally be finished, and they may have your permission to start selling DLC?

 

[thelvynau]

when in doubt, attack the grammar. well played sir. (sarcasm)

my point is, if i where to make a product, and was forced to release it before it was done, at full price, i would finish it without charging extra. this is what the patches equate to, and what i feel the 'route X' and any standard to premium upgraded cars should fall under.

No because they never said gt5 would get the test course so no promise broken there they decided to add it later and after doing that work should be paid

 

[killer tiller]

if someone has a PS2 and gt4 handy, go look at gt4 tsukuba and gt5 tsukuba, gt4 monaco and gt5 monaco, and gt4 grand valley and gt5 grand valley, if you like check them all, they're the same.

if you can spot any differences in any of these tracks i would be amazed, and on this basis alone i am mad that they didn't include all the old tracks.
they have the same 2d trees, and low res textures on and of track.

They are ment to be the same, after all they are the same tracks.

Don't get mad because all the previous tracks aren't added, different tracks have dropped out during every version of the game. Last thing you'd want is playing 5 versions of a game with all the same tracks in it. You need a mix of new and old and there is only so much data that can be held on a disc and only so much time to develop a game factoring in the new technology from PS2 - PS3. It's not as easy as right click copy paste. I can't remember specifics but back in GT1 a car could be modeled in a day start to finish, for GT5 it was 6 months per car! And everyone complains that there's not enough premium cars.

And this is where DLC comes into the equation. PD can keep developing the game while we get to play it, instead of wait an extra 2 years for release that Kaz wanted for development to get it right. So as I said earlier, if you don't like the idea of DLC then you don't need to buy it, no ones holding a gun to your head forcing you to do it

 

[CodeRedR51]

when in doubt, attack the grammar. well played sir. (sarcasm)

my point is, if i where to make a product, and was forced to release it before it was done, at full price, i would finish it without charging extra. this is what the patches equate to, and what i feel the 'route X' and any standard to premium upgraded cars should fall under.

This is the problem with gamers now days. A game comes out that's, to them, not "complete" and they expect it to be fixed through patches. PD is doing this because they want to. They don't HAVE to. Unfortunately they are not getting all the recognition they deserve for spending so much time keeping GT5 updated, instead of leaving is out in the cold and waiting for GT6.

And it wasn't an attack at your grammar. It specifically says in the AUP that proper usage of capital letters is required. Try reading it some time.

 

[thelvynau]

If PD promised the track in gt5 but released it as dlc then that could be a cause for complaint but they didnt

 

[SlipZtrEm]

when in doubt, attack the grammar. well played sir. (sarcasm)

my point is, if i where to make a product, and was forced to release it before it was done, at full price, i would finish it without charging extra. this is what the patches equate to, and what i feel the 'route X' and any standard to premium upgraded cars should fall under.

Did you agree to this when you joined the forums? Yes. So R1600's bringing up a valid point. This isn't the first time you've been told about this, either.

Then shouldn't everyone here be whining to Sony? Since it was their ultimate decision to push the game out the door? Everyone is so quick to blame PD these days without knowing the facts.

Why is everyone so quick to paint PD as victims? They've done some incredible amount of work on the game in the past year, but Sony didn't rush anything. I know I sure didn't expect an incomplete game after over 5 years of development. Especially when the producer had stated almost a full year earlier that it was "basically complete".

Now, the fact of the matter is while it wasn't unreasonable to expect Machine Testing to be in the game, as it was in all previous full GT's, it wasn't included. There were no explicit promises of it being included. This much, we should all agree on, unless someone has pre-release info from PD specifically stating otherwise.

 

[Ed Nut]

i don't believe in the DLC sales model.
make a game, create more content (or in some cases hold off on releasing content) then sell it for extra. sounds like buying a steak dinner then being charged extra for the sides.

gt 1-4 had the test course. it's a no brainer to include it. instead, for gt5 they held off, and are now selling it to you.

 

[thelvynau]

Did you agree to this when you joined the forums? Yes. So R1600's bringing up a valid point. This isn't the first time you've been told about this, either.

Why is everyone so quick to paint PD as victims? They've done some incredible amount of work on the game in the past year, but Sony didn't rush anything. I know I sure didn't expect an incomplete game after over 5 years of development. Especially when the producer had stated almost a full year earlier that it was "basically complete".

Thats why they release patches to try and fix that but complaining about tracks not being there when they were'nt promised is rather demanding

Edit: ed why should they include the test course just because they were in previous games

 

[CodeRedR51]

Why is everyone so quick to paint PD as victims? They've done some incredible amount of work on the game in the past year, but Sony didn't rush anything. I know I sure didn't expect an incomplete game after over 5 years of development. Especially when the producer had stated almost a full year earlier that it was "basically complete".

I never said they rushed it out the door. The reality is, even if we had to wait another year, people would have waited and bought it anyway. As stated in my last post, PD doesn't have to do what they are doing. I for one am thankful for everything they have given us. Nothing we have paid extra for was promised before the game was released.

 

[Ed Nut]

They are ment to be the same, after all they are the same tracks.

My point was that they are exactly the same. No updated visuals, anywhere. 100% straight ports, including the 'ring. If they could do it for these 4-5, why not do it for them all?

 

[thelvynau]

Because they chose not to

 

[killer tiller]

Thats why they release patches to try and fix that but complaining about tracks not being there when they were'nt promised is rather demanding

Edit: ed why should they include the test course just because they were in previous games

Exactly, the same reason why SSR11 isn't in GT5.

Now that is a course I'd prefer over a stupid test ring

My point was that they are exactly the same. No updated visuals, anywhere. 100% straight ports, including the 'ring. If they could do it for these 4-5, why not do it for them all?

And what updated visuals could be added to an identical track? Would you like them to rearrange the trees a little?

 

[thelvynau]

Exactly, the same reason why SSR11 isn't in GT5.

Now that is a course I'd prefer over a stupid test ring

That was a awesome track

 

[Ed Nut]

I bet you'll be pissed when they release the 'classics' track pack for $10...

 

[killer tiller]

That was a awesome track

It's been my favorite since GT1, much more fun than driving around in circles or racing over the 1/4mile

 

[thelvynau]

Nope I wouldnt be pissed

 

[killer tiller]

I bet you'll be pissed when they release the 'classics' track pack for $10...

No I won't, I'll happily pay for it. As will many others who understand the work PD is putting in to improved the game

 

[CodeRedR51]

I bet you'll be pissed when they release the 'classics' track pack for $10...

Nope. Depending on how many tracks, I'd gladly pay $20 for it.

 

[Ed Nut]

So if PD rounded up all the tracks that where in GT4, but not 5, didn't retouch them, just stuck them in the store, you'd be happy to pay them $10 for that?

 

[eran0004]

yes, i'm obviously trolling because i don't agree with paying for stuff that should've been in the game originally.

i bought the collectors edition, thinking i was buying a complete game (which after 6 years it should've been) and what i got instead was a game missing half the tracks from old games, badly upscaled GT4 tracks, and none of the tuning aspects advertised, and now PD are asking for more money for these missing features?

this is what gaming is, because this is what you have let it become. unfinished products, broken promises, and post purchase upsales.

NEWSFLASH

1. There are no "complete games" anymore, pretty much all games comes with patched updates, dlc or new content on disc. This is not even a new trend, it's been going on for years.

2. The patched updates are free, you only have to pay for the DLC.

3. Nothing in the DLC was promised to be in the game from the start.

4. You should have read about what the collector's edition really was before you bought it. If you expected it to be something else then what it was then it's your own fault. It's like buying a Skoda and expecting it to be a Rolls Royce.

5. You don't have to buy the DLC, if you think it's too expensive, or have other reasons not to buy it, then go ahead and don't. It's as simple as that.

 

[CodeRedR51]

If you think they didn't retouch them, you're blind.

 

[thelvynau]

So if PD rounded up all the tracks that where in GT4, but not 5, didn't retouch them, just stuck them in the store, you'd be happy to pay them $10 for that?

considering thats alot of tracks why not and they would touch them up

 

[Stumps_GTI]

To be fair to PD, history has pretty much shown that each GT release on a new console issn't up to par with the previous release. GT3 wasn't as big as GT2, GT5 not as big as GT4, etc. I think if we can all stick with this one, GT6 will make up for it.

I can hear what you're saying here, as I've collected and played them all since the original come out.
But my understanding was, that "everyone" was really hoping GT6 would be out on the "new" PS4....?? Or am I hearing that incorrectly..
And IF that is the case, what's to say GT6 won't be up to par....??

Ok, don't get me wrong, I LOVE the GT series, but I have had numerous times during the last 12 months where I have felt the same as the OP, some what, disheartened. Or short changed...

The following are what I consider missing... (?)
Test track..............Ok, so we are getting that (paying for it)
A-spec races.......ok, so we're getting those too.
(but I still fail to see how "racing online" and starting at the back ALL the time, is supposed to make up for the lack of A-spec. )

Those two examples above, have been my main gripes so far.
The game looks great, it feels great, and there is a fantastic array of vehicles. My garage is still no where near full...

BUT, for a guy with little to no interest in racing "online", the game (GT5) IS severely lacking race content. 👎 There, I said it.

And yes, I do have internet, but my racing is not good enough to compete online, IMHO.
I can sit for ages racing the AI with no hassles, no bumping and annoying other racers (accidentally) and not putting up with rubbish (?) driving much like my driving may be interpreted as....

Ok, so maybe I'm not up with the currant "way" gaming is going, but why should we miss out, if getting online is NOT our thing....??
Incidentally, the game originally cost me $115 down here in Aus., plus the first lot of DLC (complete pack) $18.95, and the second lot $6.95.
That's over $140......so far. How much SHOULD we expect to pay for a complete game ??

Just my 2cents worth, and I hope I don't offend too many of you here.
cheers
Greg

 

[Ed Nut]

I'm sorry, please show me how tsukuba in 5 and 4 differ from each other, or grand valley. They are the same, low res textures, low res backrounds.

 

[killer tiller]

So if PD rounded up all the tracks that where in GT4, but not 5, didn't retouch them, just stuck them in the store, you'd be happy to pay them $10 for that?

It's not as easy as you try and make it sound. I'm not a programmer by any means, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a change of platform so I'm sure they'd need to work on the tracks so they'd work on the PS3

 

[thelvynau]

I'm sorry, please show me how tsukuba in 5 and 4 differ from each other, or grand valley. They are the same, low res textures, low res backrounds.

Ok not sure if its correct but ill take a stab wouldnt they need to modify them to show up correctly in 1080p

 

[CodeRedR51]

I can hear what you're saying here, as I've collected and played them all since the original come out.
But my understanding was, that "everyone" was really hoping GT6 would be out on the "new" PS4....?? Or am I hearing that incorrectly..
And IF that is the case, what's to say GT6 won't be up to par....??

I'd bet that GT6 will be on the PS3, considering Sony is determined to maintain a 10 year life cycle on this system.

I'm sorry, please show me how tsukuba in 5 and 4 differ from each other, or grand valley. They are the same, low res textures, low res backrounds.

Obviously the textures had to be updated to the new graphics. They did replace textures (grass, tarmac, to name a couple....) So really, you are blind if you see no difference.

Edit: I'm off to bed. Have fun with your argument.

 

[urmie]

Sony has stated, recently actually, they are sticking to the 10 year cycle. No PS4 until 2015, so GT6 on PS3 is more likely.

 

[Ed Nut]

nope, they didn't have to mess with the standards for 1080, and gt4 would run in HD.

ok, so, $10 dlc, 7.2 million units sold, lets go conservative, half the original purchasers buy the DLC... $36 million dollars, for putting tracks they already have into gt5.