new track DLC part 2

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SimonK
Please show me where I'm forcing my opinion on people? I said earlier if anyone has a problem with my posts and think they violate the rules in any way they are free to report then and i'll get a warning from a moderator. Not surprisingly that hasn't happened.
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Perhaps a poor choice of words my apologies ill say repeating the same opinion over several threads im guilty of that to so im no better
 
Wow this again.... I personally can't wait for the DLC i think it is good they're putting new DLCs. What i don't understand is why there is so much negativity and people saying "it should have been in the game in the first place". I mean games that come and release new DLC that they complain about it not having the DLC content already in the game to begin with. Well if you do ok well let me ask you this and just please hear me out. 1. Would you rather have a game that comes out and it be the same thing over and over again with nothing new or 2. Have a game come out then wait a little bit play it beat it then some new things come out to make it brand new again and bring more fun to the game. Well in my opinion not saying this to make anyone mad but i think your never satisfied. I mean at least they are doing things to the game to of course make money yes and to make us the gamers happy.
 
I wonder if there was no X2011 or 2012 Would this track been created .I don't think it would have been certainly on this Huge Length
 
I rather pay for some DLC and get lots of free updates (like PD is doing right now) than buying a new GT next year! The game is good, exceptionally good, I agree it needed some adjustments but now it is almost perfect and they keep working on it. At the end of the year it will be like having a new game. Keep giving us DLC and updates PD!
 
ORPHANTHIRTY7
Wow this again.... I personally can't wait for the DLC i think it is good they're putting new DLCs. What i don't understand is why there is so much negativity and people saying "it should have been in the game in the first place".
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Because quite simply they are entitled to that opinion and entitled to air said opinion in the discussion forum. If you don't agree that is fine but people who think something like this could have been on the disc are not wrong, just as they are not right.
 
SimonK
The anology wasn't perfect no but I wasn't going to spend an hour thinking of something more relevent. The point was still the same

Finally in regards to the original statement or your new revision both still are trying to have the same effect - stopping discussion/posts that aren't positive. I mean we really wouldn't get anywhere with that attitude. Example:

Person A - "I don't like Grand Valley, it could do with some improvements graphically and some better corners".
Person B - "Don't play on Grand Valley then".

Where does that get us on a DISCUSSION board?

I just really don't see why so many feel the need to respond to negative messages in a defensive way. If someone says they think this is too expensive and they won't buy it that is their opinion, why do so many people feel the need to reply and question their opinion or basically tell them to stop posting their negative opinions? Because that is what statements/posts like the above do.
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If you read my post again you'll see that i didnt mentioned price, if we had complains like "this is too expensive" and it was in fact expensive that would be totally normal, but thats not the case here.

The case here as i said before is that people dont want to pay for Route X cause it replaces the "legendary" Test Course and what ever comes with it (Speed/acceleration etc test's).
You can clearly see that and compare it to Car Pack.
Have you seen any comment/complaining about that? That should be free?
Has anyone made a thread/post complaining about the Aston Martin saying "i wont pay for it cause it should be in the disc in 1st place", or "PD are you for real?" and referring to PDI for releasing the Aston Martin as pay DLC?
No they havent, it would be ridiculous...
But for the Route-X (or Test Course) even though that PDI never said that it will be in game or will come later as free DLC, is normal for everyone to complain....well isnt that obvious?

btw...Spa was (and is) at the same price, have you reed many complains about the price when it was released? or that should be in the disc? or free?
 
sdf
If you read my post again you'll see that i didnt mentioned price, if we had complains like "this is too expensive" and it was in fact expensive that would be totally normal, but thats not the case here.

The case here as i said before is that people dont want to pay for Route X cause it replaces the "legendary" Test Course and what ever comes with it (Speed/acceleration etc test's).
You can clearly see that and compare it to Car Pack.
Have you seen any comment/complaining about that? That should be free?
Has anyone made a thread/post complaining about the Aston Martin saying "i wont pay for it cause it should be in the disc in 1st place", or "PD are you for real?" and referring to PDI for releasing the Aston Martin as pay DLC?
No they havent, it would be ridiculous...
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Yes, because those cars weren't in previous games. A high speed test track and testing facilities were.

But for the Route-X (or Test Course) even though that PDI never said that it will be in game or will come later as free DLC, is normal for everyone to complain....well isnt that obvious?
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I'm not entirely sure what the point you're trying to make is here.

btw...Spa was (and is) at the same price, have you reed many complains about the price when it was released? or that should be in the disc? or free?
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No because again Spa and the Kart track were new to the series. Could they have been on the disc? We don't know, probably not. We do however know that in 5 years of development a test track and speed test could have been on the disc. Also Spa is a legendary RACING circuit and they also gave us the kart track for £3.19. Here they are offering one test track for £3.19.
 
SimonK
Yes, because those cars weren't in previous games. A high speed test track and testing facilities were.
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The difference being that, while we did have a test track in previous games, it wasn't THIS track. Man hours were spent designing and programming the track/game mode. I'll happily pay for that.
 
R1600Turbo
The difference being that, while we did have a test track in previous games, it wasn't THIS track. Man hours were spent designing and programming the track/game mode. I'll happily pay for that.
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I'm not going to claim it's the same track, it's not, but just don't see the value myself. I'm also not going to claim to know what the whole track entails as we've not seen it all but from what we have seen there isn't that much work in it. Obviously creating the track model itself is rather simple for straight lines, same with the barriers. All that leaves is the scenery which again from what we've seen is a lot of copy and paste of the same objects with a few unique parts.

Also as I said earlier, this is not a licensed track so the only cost to PD is the wages for the staff doing the manhours. Would they not get their monthly wage from PD if they gave this away for free? Of course they would.
 
People are also forgetting that this is not just a track, but a whole new game mode.

But while you are still debating the logistics of the whole thing tomorrow, I'll be driving on it. ;)
 
R1600Turbo
People are also forgetting that this is not just a track, but a whole new game mode.

But while you are still debating the logistics of the whole thing tomorrow, I'll be driving on it. ;)
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Tomorrow (17th) is the update DLC is the day after (18th) ;)
 
Gejabo
Tomorrow (17th) is the update DLC is the day after (18th) ;)
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Nope. He's correct. DLC will be released when the PSN store updates for each region. Since in North America it updates at about 5 PM ET on Tuesdays, people in the SCEA region will be able to purchase it then.
 
Blitz24
Nope. He's correct. DLC will be released when the PSN store updates for each region. Since in North America it updates at about 5 PM ET on Tuesdays, people in the SCEA region will be able to purchase it then.
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R1600Turbo
People are also forgetting that this is not just a track, but a whole new game mode.

But while you are still debating the logistics of the whole thing tomorrow, I'll be driving on it. ;)
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It's an old game mode though, that's half the point. They haven't even updated it to common real world lengths (1/4 mile, 1/2 mile, mile) it's just the same 400m and 1000m as in every other game.
 
SimonK, you make perfect sense and I enjoy reading your posts, here and in other threads. I'm appalled that your words and opinion always seem to get such a hostile response and are unfairly distorted when all I've heard you say is limpidly expressed and presented in a balanced and unaggressive manner. You keep replying and justifying your ideas to deaf ears and quite honestly, I would've given up a long time ago!

As for the track in question, I'm really looking forward to it, even though I secretly hope for a Complex String-like section to break the monotony of that huge straight. Still, what I really want now is a Classic Tracks pack: I miss them so much!
 
SimonK
It's an old game mode though, that's half the point. They haven't even updated it to common real world lengths (1/4 mile, 1/2 mile, mile) it's just the same 400m and 1000m as in every other game.
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Oh lord.... by common i assume you mean used in america...? Far more people us m and km than imperial
 
SimonK
It's an old game mode though, that's half the point. They haven't even updated it to common real world lengths (1/4 mile, 1/2 mile, mile) it's just the same 400m and 1000m as in every other game.
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What's this then?

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HJLamont
Oh lord.... by common i assume you mean used in america...? Far more people us m and km than imperial
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I mean in drag racing, they are the common distances.

R1600Turbo
What's this then?

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My apolgies then, that's the first time I've seen that screenshot. Up to now the only one I've seen is the one with 0-400m and 0-1000m. But still my point about it not being a new game mode still stands.
 
counter345
I'd like to know your logic. There is NO logic in modelling new tracks/cars for free, at all.
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Have you never known a business model where a company creates several products/items/whatever, sells most of them but gives some cheaper items away for free, recouping their losses in other ways? Very quick generic example:

Product A costs £20 to make, company sell 1 million for £100 - £80million net profit.
Product B costs £5 to make, they give 1 million away for free - £5 million net loss.

Total net profit - £75 million.

That is an example of a company with a tangible item they must produce, DLC is not a tangible item so they wouldn't lose money per each free download, just one initial loss of staff wages. PD already do it themselves with the few free cars they give us. They can afford to give away one basic track for free if they chose to.
 
Ed Nut
yes, i'm obviously trolling because i don't agree with paying for stuff that should've been in the game originally.

i bought the collectors edition, thinking i was buying a complete game (which after 6 years it should've been) and what i got instead was a game missing half the tracks from old games, badly upscaled GT4 tracks, and none of the tuning aspects advertised, and now PD are asking for more money for these missing features?

this is what gaming is, because this is what you have let it become. unfinished products, broken promises, and post purchase upsales.
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At least they are doing updates :)

As far as DLC goes. I think it is ok for GT5 but we do not want to see 30$ or so DLC with in first 6 months or something for th next game :yuck: DLC can increase the longevity of a game and interest for longer run though.

I also think first DLC should free and make an option for PS+ members that they can purchase all the DLC for GT and few other games of their choice for free. Rather than they decide what should be discount price and what should be free 💡
 
Im actually pretty excited about testing 0-60 times on cars. Itll give me a good idea of where to put the throttle at launch for races that start from the lights online. Assuming the course can be used with online physics that is
 
HJLamont
Im actually pretty excited about testing 0-60 times on cars. Itll give me a good idea of where to put the throttle at launch for races that start from the lights online. Assuming the course can be used with online physics that is
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I never thought about it this way ,Wow Now I am very hooked :D
 
SimonK
Have you never known a business model where a company creates several products/items/whatever, sells most of them but gives some cheaper items away for free, recouping their losses in other ways? Very quick generic example:

Product A costs £20 to make, company sell 1 million for £100 - £80million net profit.
Product B costs £5 to make, they give 1 million away for free - £5 million net loss.

Total net profit - £75 million.

That is an example of a company with a tangible item they must produce, DLC is not a tangible item so they wouldn't lose money per each free download, just one initial loss of staff wages. PD already do it themselves with the few free cars they give us. They can afford to give away one basic track for free if they chose to.
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Unfortunate that for your idea their choice involves charging
 
So people of the United States of America, Canada and anyone else who's getting the DLC before the rest of the world - please tell us what it's like as soon as possible. This debate of "is it worth it", "is it just an oval", "will it have drag racing", "what's the Max G-Force for", "all should have been on the original disc", "bla bla bla" needs to be put to bed...it's killing me now.

Personally I'm looking forward to getting the DLC and won't give it a second thought when I part with my cash. Life's too short to worry about it and I wish the people at PD all the best. Given the opportunity I'm sure many of us would love to be doing what the developers do - so good luck to them and the amount they will get paid.
 
Max g-force had me wondering too. Must be able to use the feature on any track if this one is only an oval. Which is why I think the testing feature should be part of the update, and not bundled with the track.
 
Blitz24
Nope. He's correct. DLC will be released when the PSN store updates for each region. Since in North America it updates at about 5 PM ET on Tuesdays, people in the SCEA region will be able to purchase it then.
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Kaz tweeted the dates I posted ;)

lets say we'll all have it this weekend :D
 

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