new track DLC part 2

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How i see it,
Yes GT5 should have Test course from day 1, as all gt's. and I totally understand people that doesnt want to pay for a legendary track (cause it should be there in 1st place)....
BUT:
The X Route isnt the test course, is a totally new track, a totally different track.
Yes it may provide the same tests as the old test track, and may (as we assume) have the exactly same layout, "but it isnt the same track".
Another thing btw.....I am playing GT from GT1 , and i was following GT5 news all around the net many years before it was released...my point on this little story is the following:
I have never came across a list of GT5 tracks or future tracks that was saying that the Test Course (or a replace track) will be on the disc or will come later as free DLC.

So, for not making a little research for a product that you are about to buy, is no ones fault.
 
sdf
How i see it,
Yes GT5 should have Test course from day 1, as all gt's. and I totally understand people that doesnt want to pay for a legendary track (cause it should be there in 1st place)....
BUT:
The X Route isnt the test course, is a totally new track, a totally different track.
Yes it may provide the same tests as the old test track, and may (as we assume) have the exactly same layout, "but it isnt the same track".
Another thing btw.....I am playing GT from GT1 , and i was following GT5 news all around the net many years before it was released...my point on this little story is the following:
I have never came across a list of GT5 tracks or future tracks that was saying that the Test Course (or a replace track) will be on the disc or will come later as free DLC.

So, for not making a little research for a product that you are about to buy, is no ones fault.
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How can you say the test course should be in this game the decision lies with pd and pd alone perhaps they didnt include it so this one can take over
 
thelvynau
How can you say the test course should be in this game the decision lies with pd and pd alone perhaps they didnt include it so this one can take over
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I assume that you have reed only the 2 1st lines, havent you?
or you want to tell me that you were not surprised that TC wasn't on the disc?
 
SimonK
The thing is I am a fan of the GT series, played them all. The 'extras' they're offering in this pack is something that was already in all of the previous GT game. Removing it from this game and then re-offering as an 'extra' a year down the line stinks to me.
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Yes because this track was in every GT game lol....this looks far more complicated than any test track in previous GT's and is over 30km long. Also your assumptions are terrible. You believe that they planned this ( re offering lol....it was never offered in GT5 and never removed form GT5 either) hahahahah when they clearly said DLC was not an option UNLESS fans wanted it. So we argue we want DLC and then people complain we get DLC. Do you see how stupid this sounds.
 
GT6mebe
Yes because this track was in every GT game lol....this looks far more complicated than any test track in previous GT's and is over 30km long. Also your assumptions are terrible. You believe that they planned this ( re offering lol....it was never offered in GT5 and never removed form GT5 either) hahahahah when they clearly said DLC was not an option UNLESS fans wanted it. So we argue we want DLC and then people complain we get DLC. Do you see how stupid this sounds.
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Did I say this exact track was in the previous games? No, I said it had a test track and the ability to measure various stats on my cars.

I also never said they planned this, you're reading things that aren't even there. All I said was something LIKE this COULD have been in the original game and in my OPINION it SHOULD have been.

Finally yes people said they wanted DLC but if it's going to be paid DLC I would expect it to be new content, not features that used to be in previous games. Because look at it that way, you can't use those official stat measuring features without buying the DLC even though we have other tracks you could do it on. That is more what stinks here, to me.
 
What if Kaz would just said after release of GT5 :
"I'm done, play it. There will be no patches or DLC . Now i will work on GT6 Cya."

I probably would still play the game till today..
 
SimonK
Did I say this exact track was in the previous games? No, I said it had a test track and the ability to measure various stats on my cars.

I also never said they planned this, you're reading things that aren't even there. All I said was something LIKE this COULD have been in the original game and in my OPINION it SHOULD have been.

Finally yes people said they wanted DLC but if it's going to be paid DLC I would expect it to be new content, not features that used to be in previous games. Because look at it that way, you can't use those official stat measuring features without buying the DLC even though we have other tracks you could do it on. That is more what stinks here, to me.
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That's why you have the choice to not buy things, it always amuses me that you continue to preach this pointless battle.
 
BroncosXR8
Yes you are trolling.

Get used to DLC purchases and Patches. That's the way gaming has gone with the advent of the internet and has been this way for some time now.

If you don't want to update your games, disconnect the internet from your PS3 or go back to playing boardgames.

Seriously though, they never said it would have all the tracks from previous GT games, do FPS have all the maps from their previous iterations? No, not even in DLC packs.

Whilst I was disappointed in the Aventador not being in the game from launch, I'm happy to pick it up now... You know what, it just means I have one or two less drinks this friday night, it's $10 or so... and it's a lot more expensive here in Aus even though our $ is better than the Yankee.
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Exactly. This is the future of gaming - you'll by the "core" game, and then you'll buy "kernels" of other features to expand the game. You'll by no means be required to buy any or all of them, but will be able to pick and choose what content applies TO YOU and gives YOU a better experience within the game.

And yes, it's more expensive this say. But hey, I remember when I used to pay $30 per month for my phone. It was a big honking monster that was hard-mounted to the kitchen wall, of course, and neither "smart" nor portable, but it sure was cheap! I also remember paying $10 a month for internet access; it was dial-up. Progress brings new possibilities, but nobody ever said they'd all be cheaper opportunities.

If the money is that big a deal to you, I'd suggest picking up a used PS2 and a copy of GT3 and/or GT4. Sounds like you'd be much happier with their content.
 
SimonK
Did I say this exact track was in the previous games? No, I said it had a test track and the ability to measure various stats on my cars.

I also never said they planned this, you're reading things that aren't even there. All I said was something LIKE this COULD have been in the original game and in my OPINION it SHOULD have been.

Finally yes people said they wanted DLC but if it's going to be paid DLC I would expect it to be new content, not features that used to be in previous games. Because look at it that way, you can't use those official stat measuring features without buying the DLC even though we have other tracks you could do it on. That is more what stinks here, to me.
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I love the game, will play it until GT6 comes out but the viciousness and black and white responses to those that have anything negative about GT5 never ceases to amaze me. Just because someone doesn't like a certain feature or isn't happy with something in the game, doesn't mean they'd be happier pulling out their PS2 or switching to Forza. Is that what you guys do in real life. If you don't like something you just stop using it? You can't have negative opinion about a certain feature of something and continue to use it? You like everything about your car, or do you sell it when the power window stops working after 3 years? when your wife says, "Honey, the radio shorted out in the car can you please fix it" do you say, "If you don't like it, go back to your 73 Dodge Dart, it had a great Am radio that always worked"?

Simon has a valid point. When a certain feature like a test facility is in every single GT5 came, fans that have supported the GT pedigree have a right to expect the same thing in future games. Leaving out a few fan favourite tracks is one thing I can understand because there are still lots of tracks to choose from, but leaving out a feature like a test track entirely is something we should all object to.

As consumers, when we become complacent as to the value and quality of what we pay for, value and quality go down as an inevitable result. My perception of value might not be the same as yours or Simon's, but it's no less relevant. Instead of worrying about whose toes we might be stepping on at PD or nitpicking the responses of people who feel they aren't getting good value, PD should grateful for our continued support and should listen to the negative feedback far more than the positive anyway. You don't learn anything by doing things right, you learn from mistakes. If this brand and this game are to be better in the future, we won't get that by telling them all the wonderful things about it, we'll get it by telling them what we don't like.

And please drop the argument that it's a $60 video game as if that infers that we shouldn't expect a lot. It's not a $60 video game just like Star Wars is not a $20 DVD. $Several hundred million has been grossed on this game so far by all the parties concerned, not $60. For several hundred million dollars, you certainly have a right to high expectations. When Star Wars 3D comes out shortly, you aren't expecting to find the same quality you'd find on say Troll 4 in 3D are you? If there is ghosting and the 3D fades in and out and the colour is off, there's going to be a huge uproar from dedicated Star Wars fans isn't there? Why? Because Star Wars is brand that you've come to expect will always be associated with quality and exceeding expectations. This is no different.
 
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Johnnypenso
When Star Wars 3D comes out shortly, you aren't expecting to find the same quality you'd find on say Troll 4 in 3D are you? If there is ghosting and the 3D fades in and out and the colour is off, there's going to be a huge uproar from dedicated Star Wars fans isn't there? Why? Because Star Wars is brand that you've come to expect will always be associated with quality and exceeding expectations. This is no different.
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Thank you. I needed a good laugh this morning. I've pretty much never associated the Star Wars "brand" with quality and exceeding expectations. I associate the brand with good special effects, bad acting, and wooden dialog.
 
Johnnypenso
I love the game, will play it until GT6 comes out but the viciousness and black and white responses to those that have anything negative about GT5 never ceases to amaze me. Just because someone doesn't like a certain feature or isn't happy with something in the game, doesn't mean they'd be happier pulling out their PS2 or switching to Forza. Is that what you guys do in real life. If you don't like something you just stop using it? You can't have negative opinion about a certain feature of something and continue to use it? You like everything about your car, or do you sell it when the power window stops working after 3 years? when your wife says, "Honey, the radio shorted out in the car can you please fix it" do you say, "If you don't like it, go back to your 73 Dodge Dart, it had a great Am radio that always worked"?

Simon has a valid point. When a certain feature like a test facility is in every single GT5 came, fans that have supported the GT pedigree have a right to expect the same thing in future games. Leaving out a few fan favourite tracks is one thing I can understand because there are still lots of tracks to choose from, but leaving out a feature like a test track entirely is something we should all object to.

As consumers, when we become complacent as to the value and quality of what we pay for, value and quality go down as an inevitable result. My perception of value might not be the same as yours or Simon's, but it's no less relevant. Instead of worrying about whose toes we might be stepping on at PD or nitpicking the responses of people who feel they aren't getting good value, PD should grateful for our continued support and should listen to the negative feedback far more than the positive anyway. You don't learn anything by doing things right, you learn from mistakes. If this brand and this game are to be better in the future, we won't get that by telling them all the wonderful things about it, we'll get it by telling them what we don't like.

And please drop the argument that it's a $60 video game as if that infers that we shouldn't expect a lot. It's not a $60 video game just like Star Wars is not a $20 DVD. $Several hundred million has been grossed on this game so far by all the parties concerned, not $60. For several hundred million dollars, you certainly have a right to high expectations. When Star Wars 3D comes out shortly, you aren't expecting to find the same quality you'd find on say Troll 4 in 3D are you? If there is ghosting and the 3D fades in and out and the colour is off, there's going to be a huge uproar from dedicated Star Wars fans isn't there? Why? Because Star Wars is brand that you've come to expect will always be associated with quality and exceeding expectations. This is no different.
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Thank you. This is a forum for expressing opinions, both negative and positive. I'm not preaching anything, I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm just passing my opinion on this DLC. But it seems whenever I or anyone else does that, or says anything negative towards the game, the people that don't agree feel the need to attack said opinion.

What would be the point of a forum and thread like this if every reply was just along the lines of "This is great"? Forums need differing opinions to thrive.

Also the "If you don't like it don't buy it" automatic response to anything negative needs to stop. It's not a valid response or rebuttal to negative comments.
 
TeggD
Simonk stop messing up yet another topic.
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I'm doing no such thing. The thread is about the new track DLC, I am discussing and putting forward my opinions on said DLC. If anything you feel I am posting is off topic or against the rules feel free to report me. Otherwise you need to accept that people have opinions different to yours.
 
The testing mode should have been available from the start, so should be part of the update and not the dlc. The track; However, I do not see any good reason for it to be free. We already have a test track, a few actually. Sure, you can't go wide open around the entire tracks like you'll be able to with this one, but have they have plenty of aspects that allow you to test cars. With how detailed this track appears to be, I'm sure they stuck a lot of time (Which is also money) into the developement of this track.

So no, the track should not be free. Only the testing feature should be. If you have to buy the track to get the feature, then that, I can not agree with.
 
It remains to be seen how detailed the track is though. As I mentioned either in this thread or another a lot of the track itself will have been simple to make, it's a straight piece of tarmac with barriers running along it constantly. Each 100m piece is graphically and physically identical to the last so that doesn't take much work. Then it's just a matter of adding the markings at the right points. We've seen some of the trackside details but as I say it remains to be seen how much of that is unique and how much is copy and pasted around the track.
 
Call of duty, battlefield, forza etc. They have mostly all their dlc's ready before the game comes out but people don't complain...
 
JrDarknes
Call of duty, battlefield, forza etc. They have mostly all their dlc's ready before the game comes out but people don't complain...
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In the case of Forza, the test track was included at release. They have also provided free cars.

I can see the argument about DLC on release date though.
 
The problem I have with the whole " it shouldve been in the game day 1 " arguement is just because the feature was in the previous installments doesnt justify that comment.I can name a crapload of sequels that has less features than it predecessors and a few that include it later as downloadable content ( sims 3 ambititions update added stuff that was present in sims 2) .Im not saying thats a good thing but some of you are acting like this is the first time something like this happened.If it could have been in from the begining it would have been in from the begining.
Secondly, the DLC isnt out yet so you dont know what ALL it features.
 
SimonK
Finally yes people said they wanted DLC but if it's going to be paid DLC I would expect it to be new content, not features that used to be in previous games. Because look at it that way, you can't use those official stat measuring features without buying the DLC even though we have other tracks you could do it on. That is more what stinks here, to me.
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I have no qualms over PD offering this test track as DLC, but this is a very fair argument, I see where you're coming from. Of course there's no written law that says every GT game must be released with a test track, but again I know what you mean, if they could include this feature with the other games "as standard" then it doesn't seem like good fan service to hold it back for this one. Given all the great stuff PD have already given us though........I'll let them off on this one. :)

Oh, and one thing I aboslutely hate (although you weren't doing this SimonK) is people labelling a game "unfinished" because they've added stuff after it's release. Urgh. What on earth does it prove? I've thought GT5 was a finished game from day 1, and they can as many features of extra content as they like, I don't see that changing. Unfinished would mean the game didn't function properly - "could have been better" does not equal "unfinished", and to think so is showing a horrid sense of self-entitlement, imo.

JaySin85
So no, the track should not be free. Only the testing feature should be. If you have to buy the track to get the feature, then that, I can not agree with.
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Surely the two go hand in hand though? I know there are already tracks where you can do rough testing, but none of them are purpose built for that feature.
 
We will likely never know how this all came to be but perhaps

P.D. is working on GT5 and they decide to make a bigger version of the test track with more testing options. The game is pushed to release by Sony but the new test course isn't ready to go. It's then decided that development will continue and car testing will have to wait untill GT6. After GT5s' release the fans say they want DLC and car testing. And P.D. give us an opportunity to purchase content, that was requested, to add on to GT5.

There is no reason that something from previous games has to automatically be featured on a new game. Yes we expected it to be there and maybe it should have been. But moving forward we all have two options buy it and enjoy it or leave it. If you want to do something constructive tell Polyphony Digital that you expect the test course to be part of GT6 from day one.

Being completely negative, or positive for that matter, just drives us apart. Gtplanet should be a place for people who love cars/racing to come together. And a way for Gran Turismo fans to constructively influence the future of the series. Happy motoring
 
Spagetti69
In the case of Forza, the test track was included at release. They have also provided free cars.

I can see the argument about DLC on release date though.
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We've gotten free cars too... A Stealth GTR GT500, Schulze GTR N24, Toyota 86 '12
 
TRGTspecialist
Surely the two go hand in hand though? I know there are already tracks where you can do rough testing, but none of them are purpose built for that feature.
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All this track is, is an oval. The only real purpose being top speed, so still not even a proper purpose built test track. I would be fine without it and having the test features. So they don't really need to be packaged together, except to force people to pay for a track to get a feature that should already be in the game.
 
I see a huge attitude problem where people don't seem to understand that things need to cost money for products to exist. People have to be paid for their work developing games. The gaming industry has to be profitable if we want new and better games to be made. I've said it before - I hope the DLC proves hugely lucrative for PD and other companies because it will only feed the gaming sector, and new and better games with more content will come thick and fast. And driven by the growth, new contenders will pop up and keep each other's prices in check, and stand on PD's shoulders and do better things.

Some people seem to think the market is some kind of cartel scandal designed to fool them, but it just isn't. It's all balanced by forces they can't wrap their short-sighted brain around.
 
The home console games industry changed a fair bit with this generation of consoles. I think it's hard for people to find a proper perspective in regard to developers work and the business side of modern games. I want to support Polyphony Digital by paying a fair a price, but no one wants to encourage overcharging. It's still a bit hard to determine what a fair price is. So I understand the concerns of some. I think the support GT5 has had through free updates more than balances out the cost of DLC. In the end I'm pretty happy with where GT5 is at.
 
sdf
I assume that you have reed only the 2 1st lines, havent you?
or you want to tell me that you were not surprised that TC wasn't on the disc?
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Surprised? Yes but like any game its up to the developers on what content they provide

Edit: bigbear you are right gtp is about bringing people together for thier love of the gt series, I have been going tooth and nail against a couple of members and I have forgotten that thanks for the reminder
 
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I hope they surprise us by having an inner course with multiple routes that we can drive as we choose, as well as various test areas such as skid pads. Now THAT, would be a proper test track.

Still unsure if I'll get the track... I know I'm getting the cars though.
 

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