Nissan GT-R - Haters gonna hate...

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I don't really think the game makes it 'seem better' than it is. Watch this vid, comparing the real life with the game make them look like they behave pretty similarly, implying that in terms of getting the feel of the car across the game does a pretty damn fine job. And yes it is a pleasure to drive, really nice car to do the Nordschleife with. I love it.

 
Well discussion will go on forever on this car I am sure. Nissan has done what no one else has been able to do from a relatively affordable price point. The greatest names in exotic cars have been challenged to provide evidence of their superior engineering since this car was introduced. Personally, I am old school and there is little that I would want from new exotic car manufacturers including Nissan. I prefer much simpler designs without tons of electronics but with a manual gearbox, and a lot more soul. I already have a car that is plenty fast enough for public roads and I can't see the point in a car that will do 0-60 in 2.8 secs. Sorry guys but I really don't like like the styling of this car either. I think if I ever decide to get another sports car it will probably be from the 70's or 80's. Motor on.
 
Bergamasco
Well discussion will go on forever on this car I am sure. Nissan has done what no one else has been able to do from a relatively affordable price point. The greatest names in exotic cars have been challenged to provide evidence of their superior engineering since this car was introduced. Personally, I am old school and there is little that I would want from new exotic car manufacturers including Nissan. I prefer much simpler designs without tons of electronics but with a manual gearbox, and a lot more soul. I already have a car that is plenty fast enough for public roads and I can't see the point in a car that will do 0-60 in 2.8 secs. Sorry guys but I really don't like like the styling of this car either. I think if I ever decide to get another sports car it will probably be from the 70's or 80's. Motor on.
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I would like a GTR, but since i can't afford it, I'll save up for a nicely setup 510 or 240Z :).
 
I'm stricly a Ford guy unless it's a classic muscle car so yeah.
 
ScouserInExile
Whereas I'd rather have an Aston or something like a Lambo or Ferarri...



But ANY car can be tuned. Fifth Gear ran a Toyota Starlet against a Dodge Viper (well, Chrysler RT/10 over here) and the Starlet made the Viper look like it was going backwards.

Anyway, I'm not sure tunig has anything to do with it - the car goes like a stabbed rat and it's not like it handles like a greasy weasel. It's just that some machines seem to have more soul, more life, more... erm something! than others. The GT-R appears to be a bit lacking in this department.

Would have one in a heartbeat, though.
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Not to the esteem that Nissan GTR's are tuned, if my math is correct it took the R35 just 3 years to reach 1300hp in the hands of tuners. Most other car's that reach 1000hp takes decades before they reach such height in the hands of tuners, in the next 10 years R35's will be pushing 2000hp in the hands of insane tuners. The normal R35 GTR is already a beast much less when it's tuned by AMS or Switzer.
 
I respect the GT-R, it's an awesome engineering and technological achievement, but I sometimes wonder if the lack of heart it is sometimes accused of has something to do with the styling. The orginal prototype (the standard car in GT5, I think from 2002?) was minimalist and awesome, but it almost seems the designers felt compelled to make the styling more busy and obnoxious-looking.

I guess each to their own but really what's to stop Nissan putting that engine and all that tech in something that looks like an Aventador? Or even an NSX?
 
Tyger
I respect the GT-R, it's an awesome engineering and technological achievement, but I sometimes wonder if the lack of heart it is sometimes accused of has something to do with the styling. The orginal prototype (the standard car in GT5, I think from 2002?) was minimalist and awesome, but it almost seems the designers felt compelled to make the styling more busy and obnoxious-looking.

I guess each to their own but really what's to stop Nissan putting that engine and all that tech in something that looks like an Aventador? Or even an NSX?
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The "Soul" thing is an unwritten preference among car nuts, basically they assert that for a car to have soul it should be hard to push to the limit. Problem with that is the GTR was not meant to break out when being pushed to the limit, if a car achieves the goal it was set out to then it has a "soul". Every car has a soul, problem is people like to put their spin on what "Soul" is.
 
I always thought the GTR broke the natural laws of physics. It´s handling does not match its specs at all.

Still, I like the car. I have an almost stock Spec V and it is somewhat fun to drive. Artificial, but fun nevertheless. The only thing that I don´t like about it is the same thing I don´t like about most Japanese cars: It´s lack of spirit... the feel that you are driving yet another generic, high tech, plastic, turbocharged sports car from Japan. And that gets worst as 98% of Japanese car owners will massively tune that car, basically stating that the car is trash, and it needs to be improved, killing even more the true identity of the car and disrespecting the car´s true nature. But that´s just me, I´m a purist.

If I ever find myself in need of a car, and have no option but a Nissan, I would rather get a Z32 Fairlady. I would dissasemble the car completely including the engine, and restore every single piece to it´s stock specs. Man, that car was a beauty.
 
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Not to the esteem that Nissan GTR's are tuned, if my math is correct it took the R35 just 3 years to reach 1300hp in the hands of tuners. Most other car's that reach 1000hp takes decades before they reach such height in the hands of tuners, in the next 10 years R35's will be pushing 2000hp in the hands of insane tuners. The normal R35 GTR is already a beast much less when it's tuned by AMS or Switzer.
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Which is true, I think there's some R35 putting around 1500hp now after the horsepower reached the 1300hp range already, though some tuning companies have seen the success with AMS and even COBB Tuning. So it could be some time until we can see R35 GTRs in the max hp range.

Man I hope I work with one of the mad scientists in the tuning industry or try and build my R35 GTR in the higher hp ranges. But if I'm correct to reach these horsepower numbers, you need to have a strong engine internals that can withstand all that power, sometimes a "broken engine" is required with a nice amount of miles (i.e. around 20,000-40,000 miles). Top end aftermarket parts, which have a higher quality in the reliablity department, rebuilt engine block, strong chassis and suspension for all that power and finally a tough as heck transmission. So time will tell.

HuskyGT
I always thought the GTR broke the natural laws of physics. It´s handling does not match its specs at all.

Still, I like the car. I have an almost stock Spec V and it is somewhat fun to drive. Artificial, but fun nevertheless. The only thing that I don´t like about it is the same thing I don´t like about most Japanese cars: It´s lack of spirit... the feel that you are driving yet another generic, high tech, plastic, turbocharged sports car from Japan. And that gets worst as 98% of Japanese car owners will massively tune that car, basically stating that the car is trash, and it needs to be improved, killing even more the true identity of the car and disrespecting the car´s true nature. But that´s just me, I´m a purist.

If I ever find myself in need of a car, and have no option but a Nissan, I would rather get a Z32 Fairlady. I would dissasemble the car completely including the engine, and restore every single piece to it´s stock specs. Man, that car was a beauty.
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This.

I truly love the R35 GTR, it's a Skyline that finally came over to the U.S. without being imported and I also call it a Skyline, because somehow to me it fells like a Skyline to my senses. I would get one if I had the cash, even if I did, I'm want to have a R32, R33 and/or a R34 Skyline so I can rebuild and have a blast anywhere I go! :D

And right now, I would pick a Z32 300ZX, MK4 Supra or a '98 3000GT VR4, (these three somehow feel like the older Skylines, to me that is.) get these cars home and rebuild them and make them true monsters for the track, street and a little bit of show. Efficent when daily driven, but beasts when on the track! :D :trouble:
 
The new DLC R35 GTR is finally the car in the game that makes me feel super human! Its a beast online and when painted in colour of choice just look stunning. for me this is THE car of GT5....in every GT I have had "the" car.....for GT5 this is it
 
Exorcet
1. The ACR has the same interior as the regular Viper

2. The ACR showed up at the Ring, drove 4 laps and took the record, while Chevy lapped the track over and over while fine tuning the car

Nurburging laps are unduly praised as being some kind of definitive ranking, when they really aren't terribly valuable. Run the cars under the same conditions for multiple laps and then you might have something. Taking two random lap times and declaring that the car with the better time as faster doesn't work out very well most of the time.
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Totally agree with you. Nordschleife is a good test track for road cars, but if you want to compare multiple cars, I think shorter and less dangerous tracks do the work better than the Nordschleife, because you can do a lot more laps, find the right tuning in a shorter time and be more consistent.

Anyway, the GT-R is an awesome car, I am one of the people who doubted that PD made it a little faster than the real life, but in these year I had the opportunity to drive one real GT-R, and guys, it's just awesome. It's heavy, but has a lot of mid-cornering grip, and you have the sensation to have everything under control when driving this car. Awesome 👍
 
I hate the GT-R in GT5, especially in the online section, where even the most average driver can take it to the win. Yes, sure, it has understeer due to its AWD nature, but it has such a ridiculous amount of grip that you can rocket it out of the missed apex and still be faster than any other car that took the line properly, and I really can't stand that. In its stock PP range it is untouchable, there's not a single car that can face the GT-R, and it is competetitive against cars that are above its theoretical capabilities.
And then there's the lack of soul. It's an unbelievably fast car, but it's as boring to drive as a Kei car, at least in my opinion. It never becomes unstable, not a hint of oversteer....
Would I take a GT-R in real life? Sure, in fact I saw one this past summer and to be honest the car is quite cool. But I would never take it if I had the chance to get my hands on an old school, RWD, manual tranny Corvette, 911 or Testarossa :D :D
 
dani_corvette
In its stock PP range it is untouchable, there's not a single car that can face the GT-R, and it is competitive against cars that are above its theoretical capabilities.
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Well, even in real life, it happens to be a sportscar that also has performance of supercars.. Or super variants of sportscars.
 
I like it when people say "Herp Derp it's still a Nissan...".

Those are the same people that drive Ferrari's and get embarrassed by a "casio calculator".

The GT-R is a pretty menacing thing in black at every hour of the day and night.

For the R36 GT-R, Nissan should put that thing on a diet, but I can see a lot more carbon fiber being used, and therefore making the sticker price jump up noticeably.
 
Leonidae@MFT
Well, even in real life, it happens to be a sportscar that also has performance of supercars.. Or super variants of sportscars.
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I know, and it is normal for the GT-R to beat some lower end supercars, but how in the world can it be faster than a 458 (about 50 bhp more powerful and maybe 400 kg lighter), an MP4-12C (same story as the Ferrari), an Enzo (more than 120 bhp more powerful, come on!!!), and so on?
 
dani_corvette
I know, and it is normal for the GT-R to beat some lower end supercars, but how in the world can it be faster than a 458 (about 50 bhp more powerful and maybe 400 kg lighter), an MP4-12C (same story as the Ferrari), an Enzo (more than 120 bhp more powerful, come on!!!), and so on?
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ATTESA-ETS is the answer to your question.
 
As well as using the weight as advantage for handling. And naturally there's also the fact that GT-R gives the driver confidence. Enzo, 458 and MP4-12C are more scary at speed. Especially Enzo.
 
But is the GT-R faster in real life than any of the cars I stated above? (Just asking, I don't actually know if it is or if it's not)
 
dani_corvette
But is the GT-R faster in real life than any of the cars I stated above? (Just asking, I don't actually know if it is or if it's not)
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I dunno, best to say that it's equal or something.

The newest, facelifted model though is. Even Top Gear showed it to the world.
 
If launched from standstill, GT-R is usually able to keep it's own up to 100-120mph. After that it's hitting an aerodynamic wall that slows it down considerably, despite of the excellent coefficient drag value it has, and having one gear less than McLaren, 458 and 911 Turbo S PDK hinders it as well.
 
Well obviously in the first metres the AWD is going to launch the GT-R very effectively, especially with all the electronics the system has involved.
More than in a straight line, where there would be plenty of cars faster than the GT-R with enough space, I meant in a race track such as Suzuka, Nürburgring GP or Spa.
 
Id just like to point out Nissan hugely underclaim power. They say it has around 470 BHP, but I read in a car magazine that they took it to a dynamo, and it actually produced 515 BHP. Thats a contributing factor.
 
Seems to be quite close with the mentioned cars on some tracks. Hard to say though because the driver and conditions might vary. The good traction of the 4wd system and good balance makes it easy to drive with relatively little practice though.

Haven't really done comparisons in game to be able to say how it fares there. It's definitely easier to drive but I'm not really sure it's really the fastest in it's class. maybe I should do that... :)
 
dani_corvette
But is the GT-R faster in real life than any of the cars I stated above? (Just asking, I don't actually know if it is or if it's not)
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Faster isn't as absolute as car magazines and TV shows tests make it sound. In some tracks the GT-R is faster, in others it isn't. In certain track conditions it's slower, in others it isn't.
 

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