Nurburgring 24hr report

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senal12
I remember back when I was playing GT3 and I beat the final test(S lincence w/GT one) by 3 seconds and I thought I was good then.:dunce: Oh well...:O
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But this test is about 4 times as long as the GT one test! Dont be so hard on yaself! :dopey: so 3 secs x 4 is 12 seconds.

It was quite breathtaking though... If anything, makes me more excited. Can't believe these people who are making massive negative statements when they haven't even played the game.

Quite funny really. The only thing I am hearing in the negative dept is from those not playing it :indiff:




........... Just a thought............... :sly:
 
i havent watched the vid yet (over bandwidth?)... but lookin at those times.. i know i currently have ZERO chance to get gold on the S licence... my best time was in an SLR (For the mission mode - and i failed) with about 9 minutes... i suppose if i hadnt crashed into the wall xxx times, i may have done better... :s

but seriously, 5 minutes for the 'ring is pretty damm near impossible if it's in practice mode.... cos u get an auto fail if u get two wheels off the track at any time... so, if it IS practice mode.. that guy is a GT4 god...
 
R8ado
But this test is about 4 times as long as the GT one test! Dont be so hard on yaself! :dopey: so 3 secs x 4 is 12 seconds.
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well, Im sure if I went back and played it, I could do it waaay faster. But back then, I just wanted the gold and that was it.👍 But, in GT4 im going to see how good I can do versus the times of other people, so im going all out this time.:sly: Just cant wait until they get that online out.
 
amar212
That driving sucks.

Someone who drove it beated gold time for 25 seconds (which is pretty unbelievable, and it is more unbelieavble that Flinx is just 5 sec slower, but what the green-hell) but from my point of view, that driving just ruined my excitement about GT4's driving mechanics and made all those "we made a model that correspondence with physics in real life... 2% margin... taking into conern the nature of the track... real driving simulator" a pure crap. Did a lap, made a 6.23 from the first try and won a bronze, but silver should be no problem after some time with the car. But the driving shown in demo - it is just buttload of bull.

Did not believe I'll ever say just written above, but this driving is worse even than ridiciluos driving in the first GT. And we all know what was possible in that days. Shame for the game.
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hey, i dont know what your real life driving or racing experiencies are, but iam karting racedriver and have to say: seems pretty realistic to me.. great driving skills-i supose it is driven by some professional...
 
rubyz
hey, i dont know what your real life driving or racing experiencies are, but iam karting racedriver and have to say: seems pretty realistic to me.. great driving skills-i supose it is driven by some professional...
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funnily enough I also race karts and there were some pretty blatant mistakes in the vid. Does it suck? no, is there room for improvements? hell yes.

granted I shouldn't be comparing GT4 to GPL, but man, even w/ better tires and ground effects, the speed shown in that vid is just UNREAL.

No way that sauber IRL is 30 seconds a lap quicker than the 956 :D

rubyz, what karts do you run.
 
rubyz
hey, i dont know what your real life driving or racing experiencies are, but iam karting racedriver and have to say: seems pretty realistic to me.. great driving skills-i supose it is driven by some professional...
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With that car, on that track - impossible. Sorry man, never been to Nurb, never drove a car stronger then 200 PS, never drove karting, but that is just uterlly insane. For the simulator, it is pretty Wipeoutish to me. Have nothing against it - I've been amased - but I tend to argue with the people about GT series being simulator or not. Now, I pretty much know the answer.

It is great feature to know what you can do, but it's a kind of shame you can do something like that in GT4, if you know what I mean. :)
 
rubyz
hey, i dont know what your real life driving or racing experiencies are, but iam karting racedriver and have to say: seems pretty realistic to me.. great driving skills-i supose it is driven by some professional...
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Pretty realistic, but no-where near the realism I was expecting after all the promises of an improved handling model over previous GT's.
 
didnt that drivier in that video have the traction controle and driving assisatnce on, i mean it would of made things alot easier right?. i would like to see someone attempt that kind of driving without the aids.
 
Lafora
funnily enough I also race karts and there were some pretty blatant mistakes in the vid. Does it suck? no, is there room for improvements? hell yes.

granted I shouldn't be comparing GT4 to GPL, but man, even w/ better tires and ground effects, the speed shown in that vid is just UNREAL.

No way that sauber IRL is 30 seconds a lap quicker than the 956 :D

rubyz, what karts do you run.
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125ccROK currently, tried ICC for few times...
 
I think the psychology factor plays a huge deal here. The car may be capable of tackling the ring in under 6 minutes in real life, but no driver is brave (or stupid) enough to actually push the car that much.

I for one wouldn't push a car in real life nowhere close to I would in videogames. I don't think anybody wants to drive the ring at speeds of 300+kmph. That car was bumpy even on the straights at those speeds...and you can hear the tire lose grip as it went over bumps. pretty scary stuff in real life.
 
Barnabas
I for one wouldn't push a car in real life nowhere close to I would in videogames. I don't think anybody wants to drive the ring at speeds of 300+kmph. That car was bumpy even on the straights at those speeds...and you can hear the tire lose grip as it went over bumps. pretty scary stuff in real life.
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in Derek Bell's in car vid, he's going about 190 down that straight near the end of the lap and he was about half a minute slower than Bellof's lap record.

So I'm fairly certain at qualifying and race pace, the Group Cs were ROUTINELY beyond the 300 mark when the car was capable of going that fast.

You wouldn't push a car in real life close to videogames because you aren't TRAINED to do so; some of tohse guys on TV have been driving since they were toddlers; not really a fair comparison.
 
amar212
With that car, on that track - impossible. Sorry man, never been to Nurb, never drove a car stronger then 200 PS, never drove karting, but that is just uterlly insane. For the simulator, it is pretty Wipeoutish to me. Have nothing against it - I've been amased - but I tend to argue with the people about GT series being simulator or not. Now, I pretty much know the answer.

It is great feature to know what you can do, but it's a kind of shame you can do something like that in GT4, if you know what I mean. :)
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i think this seems impossible to you just because you cant do this.. dont want to offend you, but you confess your racing experiencies/skills arent just amazing...
fe: when i started with racing karts, my best time for some circuit were about 4 s worse then the best ones and i thought it was my best and that i could do no better. today my time is about 2s faster than that best time=6s improvment on 1,2KM lenght circuit. and professional racedriver can do cca 1-1.5s faster lap then me, on the same circuit, same kart... nothings impossible, man:)
 
Lafora
in Derek Bell's in car vid, he's going about 190 down that straight near the end of the lap and he was about half a minute slower than Bellof's lap record.

So I'm fairly certain at qualifying and race pace, the Group Cs were ROUTINELY beyond the 300 mark when the car was capable of going that fast.

You wouldn't push a car in real life close to videogames because you aren't TRAINED to do so; some of tohse guys on TV have been driving since they were toddlers; not really a fair comparison.
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True, but there's no fear when you're playing a videogame. These guys realize they're dancing w/ death and probably won't take as much chances.
 
Yes, it is impossible since the physics shown in that video aren't like real life physics applied to cars.
 
rubyz
i think this seems impossible to you just because you cant do this.. dont want to offend you, but you confess your racing experiencies/skills arent just amazing... nothings impossible, man:)
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I think we do not understand each other: I'm not speaking about being possible to drive this way or another - lot of practice makes miracles. Even I did not ever race on the real races, I tend to have lot of fun with GT games and I know what the practice can do.

What I'm pointing here is the pure unrealism of that particular drive. It has nothing to do with braveness, nuts, guts, track knowledge or whatever. It has something to do with the physics, aerodinamycs and mechanics. From what I know on those particullar issues - and you do not have to be a Pro Driver to see that - drive like that would rip away the tyres from the rims, tear down the suspension and destroy the roll-bars, not to speak about loosing the steer due to aerodinamycs and getting car airborne dozen of times.

OK, it's a game. You can do whatever you want in game. As we heard, Flinx did 5:30. I can dream of that, but someday maybe I'll be able to do the same. Doesn't matter. My point is that drive like that isn't possible in real life. And that should be a dogma for GT.

If PD was so keen to make hundreds of points in releases towards realism of the drive on Nurb with GT-R (with 1-2% margin in time), then this drive of an "C" class car should be somewhere between the marguins of the C Class car drives on Nurb. Making this drive 5:2x:xx is just not good for the game labeled as "Real Simulator". And it dissapoints me from that view only. And makes THIS PARTICULAR GT4 drive to look like Wipeout. And has nothing to do with my driving skills. It has something to do with realism.
 
I think if the Nurburg was that smooth in real life, that time would be possible. But it's not so it's not.

There's no way they'd be able to model every single little bump in the game. The didn't and it made the track smoother than normal, and therefore faster than normal.

I really wouldn't blame the car handling. If you've seen some of the Le Mans cars go, you know they can turn at rediculous speeds, due to the downforce. It's all in the road surface and track design.
 
Gt4's Nurb is modeled to near perfection. If you have read what people with the japanese demo of gt4 which released 2 months ago, you'll know PD put in every bump and dip. You have to be kidding me if you think PD would make the nurb smooth, every bump or dip found on the real nurb is on the gt4 nurb. I dont believe that car was human controlled because I know not one of you could drive the nurb like that.
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and if that was human controlled, you'll see tsc was on.
 
cobragt
I dont believe that car was human controlled because I know not one of you could drive the nurb like that.
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I could probably name 30 guys I know from OLR that could drive like that without a problem. I know because they can beat me in all the biggest OLR events I have done. With enough practice, determination, and skill the near impossible becomes possible. In fact, there's no doubt in my mind that I'll be able to gold that test on the Nurb after I learn the track.

And I'm fairly certain that all the licence/T.T. demo replays ever since GT1 have been done by a human to prove the gold times are easily achieved.
 
cobragt
I dont believe that car was human controlled because I know not one of you could drive the nurb like that.
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If noone can drive like that, how are we supposed to get gold in that license? :dunce:
 
cobragt
Gt4's Nurb is modeled to near perfection. If you have read what people with the japanese demo of gt4 which released 2 months ago, you'll know PD put in every bump and dip. You have to be kidding me if you think PD would make the nurb smooth, every bump or dip found on the real nurb is on the gt4 nurb. I dont believe that car was human controlled because I know not one of you could drive the nurb like that.
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and if that was human controlled, you'll see tsc was on.
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It's impossible it was a computer because of:

a)the time
b)the way gas and brake is applied
 
People can drive like that, even faster. Like I said, a respected somebody has posted a 5:30.844 on the very same test. Over 3 seconds faster.
 
Thank you Mister E for re-hosting that file. I can see what all the fuss was about now.

I do find it hard to believe that, that was driven by a person. However there were a couple of minor errors made. The driver doesn't get the line through the karresll spot on (3:13), and almost lifts out of it by accelerating too much. And at 3:31, he mounts the kerb more than I think he should have done. Because of these and other errors, it leans more towards it being a person behind the wheel.

As for the track modelling. I do think PD have made the most of trying to put in every single bump. Just look at the way the car "bounces" along the main straight (5:00). That doesn't look very smooth to me. However some of that will be caused by the speed of the car and the effect it has, as it cuts through the air.

Cheers

Jamie
 
I guess the best people to ask how realistic is that video would be someone like Michael Schumacher, Jochen Mass or Heinz Harald Frentzen - people who have actually driven that car!

It doesn't look that unrealistic to me. Okay it's not perfect, but I think that can be put down to a lot of minor things that are not right with the track model and with GT4 in general, which is a pretty damn good simulation, if not exactly the best around.
 
I tottaly agree with amar! That is just not real. I know I can do that in game (and I will), but the handling of that car on that track is exagerated too much. It looks like driving with ground effect set to 200% ... :D

I've never driven on the Ring (will try to go there this summer if i can), but I drove a lot of cars and have been driving for 8 years now, and that replay just seems surreal.

Hej, amar, jel mozda imas neki BMW Demo PAL viska? Prodas? :)
 
What about comparing the average speed of the sauber-nurb lap with that of lap times raced on other circuits by similar cars in real life/other cars compared to this one? Or ask the opinion of a real GT driver perhaps? Is it still the best race simulator? I'm afraid that for now I have to go with Amar on this one... It was a bit too much I'm afraid... Made seem all too easy :yuck:
 

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