Nurburgring Race Series - Week 8 - Lotus Motorsport Elise

[Kolyana]

All right, I'm bloody sick of the cars that handle like this ... sick ... it seems like every other damned vehicle I climb into nowadays wants to throw it's ass end all over the place for no reason at all.

I have a question - not so much a tuning one, but simply desiring to understand *what's* going on: In some areas this car gets loose, really loose, and immediately rocks the rear end from side to side so it loses grip and spins around ... I experience it immediately on the right hander after the startline ... I can't go flat out here, because if I even get close the car starts to oversteer, then SNAPS to the left and SNAPS to the right ... by which point I'm off the track.

What is physically going on with the car???

EDIT: And goixoye, my friend, this *has* to be your week ... I'm so uncomfortable with this car ... and I'm a solid TWELVE seconds behind you. No way I'll make up that sort of gap

 

[VTRacing]

All right, I'm bloody sick of the cars that handle like this ... sick ... it seems like every other damned vehicle I climb into nowadays wants to throw it's ass end all over the place for no reason at all.

I have a question - not so much a tuning one, but simply desiring to understand *what's* going on: In some areas this car gets loose, really loose, and immediately rocks the rear end from side to side so it loses grip and spins around ... I experience it immediately on the right hander after the startline ... I can't go flat out here, because if I even get close the car starts to oversteer, then SNAPS to the left and SNAPS to the right ... by which point I'm off the track.

What is physically going on with the car???

EDIT: And goixoye, my friend, this *has* to be your week ... I'm so uncomfortable with this car ... and I'm a solid TWELVE seconds behind you. No way I'll make up that sort of gap

Ok Koly, I'll try to help.

The problem here is weight balance. The reason car makers put the engine behind the driver is that it helps balance the car. That means that under power the rear of the car has the most weight possible available to push the tyres into the tarmac. Meanwhile, under brakes and during the corners the front tyres don't have to cope with too much weight and they can concentrate on simply directing the front of the car.

That works very well in a straight line (if you look at a dragster you know what I mean), but when we put a lateral load through the car, by going around a corner, inertia dictates that the weight wants to go straight ahead. So a car with all the weight at the front (eg FR, FF) will tend to wash the front wheels out and understeer, but a mid or rear engined car will tend to want to rotate around the front wheels. The front tyres still have grip because they are not overloaded, all the weight overloads the rear tyres and you oversteer.

In terms of your specific problem, when you're coming through that corner and you start to oversteer you have to be very careful if you want to retrieve the car from its slide. If you apply too much opposite lock, the rear tyres will grip suddenly and start moving in the opposite direction. This is your first SNAP. It's caused by a pendulum effect and basically it means that the rear will be sliding in the opposite direction much faster than the initial slide. Assuming you can wind on the opposite lock fast enough, the same thing will happen again; the car will snap back in opposite direction with even more speed until you spin completely.

So the snap phenomenon is very common, any car will do it if you over-correct an initial slide. It's magnified in a MR car because there is more weight involved so more inertia.

Rally drivers use this technique all the time, that's what a "Scandinavian Flick" is. To get around a tight corner, say a right-hander, you create a slide to the left and then over-correct it. This causes the rear to flick around to the right very quickly indeed.

The trick to catching the slides is to start winding off the steering earlier than you imagine. Once the rear tyres grip and start to go the other way it's too late.

Another thing, I think you might be trying to go too fast through that sweeper. If the rear tyres in an MR car have the most grip when under power, then you need to brake earlier and power through the corner. Personally I'm braking when the gear indicator comes up and then turning in just as I get back on the throttle or slightly after. The car does slide but there is virtually no need to apply opposite lock, which is a perfect situation. This has the added benefit of giving you a higher exit speed, which is what you want too.

I hope this has helped, I've probably told you pretty much what you already know. But if you remember that when the car oversteers you rarely need as much opposite lock as you think you do, and that you need to wind it off again as quickly as possible, then you'll be on your way to becoming a drift queen.

 

[OnlyMe]

Only had time yesterday to buy the car, and have about 4 attempts, all of which ended before T4

Today I have to check if I was using the right brakes. I'm kinda hoping I'm was using stocks yesterday... because that was the one thing I noticed right away, how bad this thing brakes as opposed to last week's car. I mean, the brakes on my 11 year old nephew's bike work better than the ones on the Lotus

 

[RedOak]

you guys race with the DS or the Wheel? This week i didN,t bother using the DS and i find its easier to drive... strange... i usually use the DFP...

 

[qwerts1]

I use the DFP, I'm not very good with the ds

 

[Dave_George]

Hi all,

Managed a lap today, just the one and knocked a few seconds off my T10, down to 6'32.xxx now.....was a lovely lap right up until the big braking zone just after T11 where the rear end decided enough was enough trying to remove the best part of 180MPH and turn through the gentle left/right and i had a most spectacular crash.....

Problem areas for me are the above mentioned braking area after T11 and coming out of Pflantzgarten II, the cars weight plus the bumps on the ring seem to make it jump around a lot, so tonight more experimentation on spring rates for me!

cheers all

Dave

 

[VEXD]

ello ello.

Whats goin on here then?

Ive had all sorts of bumps and jumps and even Finnish yumps on this course with this car, and ive had a very good session today, due to being full of cold, and off work.

I have a dodgy T10 of 6'26.something and ive had 4 laps since then where im up to 2.5-3.0 seconds faster, but cant bring them home.

Pflanzgarten II is chucking me off, and winding me up.

I hate it, were the exact words i used more than once this afternoon.

Anyway, settings:

I dont recall what they are, and they arent in front of me now, so here goes:
roughly...

First i lowered the spring rate, front and rear, 4.0 i think for the front, and an equal amount for the rear, then i raised the front to 4.3.
Then i tried altering the dampers, but 6/6 seems to work, as anything else promotes under/oversteer.
I raised the front camber to 2.0 and left the rear at 0.8.

This gives me a car i can lift off, let go of the brake, it then pivots, and smooth application of the throttle gives me power controlled oversteer, which i use to round the bends.

Gearbox.

I saw that we can play, so i played.

I dropped the final ratio to the lowest it goes from a standard box, then raised the auto to maximum, then raised the final to 3.425 .

The 6th gear was dropped down towards 5th (on the bar graph) by about 15 points, its 8.7something i think, and then i adjusted 5th towards 6th to give a very quick change at that end of the box, and then adjusted the other gears to fill the gaps equally on the graph, ill post numbers tomorrow if i get chance.

The end result is i can use 2nd to power the very tight turns, like the one just into T2, to gain grip, and i can hit 186MPH on the end of the back straight, with the car redlining.

It worx for me.

I have a fairly good, clean lap bagged, but with some more time, and luck going down the hill on Pflanzgarten II, i will have a T10 of 6'23.

Thats to begin with.

More to come once VTracing and Watson post their respective knowledge no doubt...

Good luck everyone!!!

👍

 

[Kolyana]

VTRacing, thanks for such a great write up ... that makes perfect sense! I knew that the engine placement must come into this somehow, but couldn't figure out *how* ... your explanation of front tires gripping and the rears losing it made a lot of sense.

I assume that if I wish to minimize or help against this, increasing grip on the rear or possibily even loosening it on the front would be the way to go?

 

[OnlyMe]

Had a second session tonight. Me and the Elise don't quiet see eye to eye yet, but at least, there's a slight improvement.

I set the camber at 2.5 and 0.7 and adjusted the ride heigt and dampers so that the front is a bit higher than the back, and although it's not at all perfect, it definitely suits my driving style more than my previous setup...

My first splits are not at all fast, but I knew that I would be dropping down the rankings as the cars get quicker/trickier.

T1: 0'46.359
T2: 1'22.185
T3: 1'51.978
T4: 2'45.658
T5: 3'25.712
T6: missed it
T7: 4'45.308
T8: 5'29.263
T9: 5'53.264
T10: 6'37.249

If I can get a T10 of under 6'30 I'll be a happy camper...

 

[goixoye]

goixoye:

Check the results and feedback thread for a post from me about how I arrived at my CSL settings.

Maybe it could help.

I did see them...they do help somewhat. But what helps the most is when somebody gets REAL SPECIFIC about what the car is doing. SPECIFIC location on track, SPECIFIC problem, SPECIFIC solution. If I can duplicate the problem and resolve it then I can learn from it. Make sense?

I have found this kind of information and it's proven to be helpful...and so have all the comments here too.

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I took another shot at this early this morning...no clean laps BUT I still feel I can bring home the T10: 6'38. But I don't think it will be easy. It seems that this car looks for any error, no matter how small, and then punishes you 10 fold for the infraction committed. But I think its the most fun car to drive so far in the series.

I could not possibly imagine driving these speeds in real life on a twisty back road without the slightest driver error causing instant death. I mean how often do you have the accelerator floored on a crooked road IRL? Sometimes the speed and control we have in the game seem a bit unrealistic. So it seems a little more like real life to me this week.

 

[VTRacing]

VTRacing, thanks for such a great write up ... that makes perfect sense! I knew that the engine placement must come into this somehow, but couldn't figure out *how* ... your explanation of front tires gripping and the rears losing it made a lot of sense.

I assume that if I wish to minimize or help against this, increasing grip on the rear or possibily even loosening it on the front would be the way to go?

I have to admit that I am a little lost on setup for the Elise.

Certainly from your point of view, if you want to tie the rear down a little more I would suggest a slight increase in rear camber (maybe between 1.0-1.5). That would mean that as the lateral load is put through the rear of the car there is a greater area of the outside tyre pushing into the tarmac. That should reduce oversteer.

As far as springs and dampers go, I haven't found a lot of difference with the adjustments I've made. The biggest changes have come from the camber.

And remember everyone, if you have too much camber on the front you will reduce your braking ability even more. And this car doesn't stop very well as it is.

Next I'm going to experiment with a ultra-stiff setup and see if I can make the front-end a bit more responsive. Of course, that will probably make Pflanzgarten more difficult.

 

[goixoye]

All right, I'm bloody sick of the cars that handle like this ... sick ... it seems like every other damned vehicle I climb into nowadays wants to throw it's ass end all over the place for no reason at all.

I have a question - not so much a tuning one, but simply desiring to understand *what's* going on: In some areas this car gets loose, really loose, and immediately rocks the rear end from side to side so it loses grip and spins around ... I experience it immediately on the right hander after the startline ... I can't go flat out here, because if I even get close the car starts to oversteer, then SNAPS to the left and SNAPS to the right ... by which point I'm off the track.

What is physically going on with the car???

EDIT: And goixoye, my friend, this *has* to be your week ... I'm so uncomfortable with this car ... and I'm a solid TWELVE seconds behind you. No way I'll make up that sort of gap

We'll see about that...I went from T10 of 6'53 to 6'38 (but I've got to clean it up).

They way I attack this curve is stabbing the brakes early and then full throttle. If timing is right this curve feels like a sling shot. If I brake too early my ghost (where it's done correctly) eats me alive on the ensueing straight. Braking too late puts you into the guard rail. This curve...like many in this car, on this track...is a life or death situation in terms of a clean lap with a competitive time.

EDIT:
Finally got another clean lap T10: 6'40.656. So the pressure was off (sorta) I knew I could do better but I had a clean lap in the range I knew I should be in. Back to the track I went.

T01: 46.443
T02: 1'22.681
T03: 1'52.583
T04: 2'45.545
T05: 3'25.762
T06: 3'53.757
T07: 4'46.707
T08: 5'30.940
T09: 5'53.123
T10: 6'37.398 👍
T11: I think I remember Dave asking us not to post this?

So mission accomplished. I beat the 6'38.220 I knew I could and it's only Wednesday night. Not only that but when I went back to the garage to make double damn sure I had the parts right HP had diminished to 304. I wonder did that help or hurt?

I may do an oil change and try some more. I was also thinking about doing the rigidity increase (since it was optional) and see what that feels like. I did use a used car for this...I started with 300+ miles on it. Now it has 678.8 miles.

@Dave, is a chassis refresh within the rules?

I've never felt more proud of myself in GT4. Did some educated tuning and finessed this cantankerous razorback around the Nurb. But I'm not running with the big dogs yet.

I've noticed that there have been complaints about the brakes on this car. I don't know how many times I wished for the adjustable brake thingy (adjusting the brakes on the BMW 2002 Turbo at Deep Forest made such a huge difference...as well as the other adjustable goodies). I had to continually tell myself to brake early...unnaturally early, it seemed, for the speeds attained compared to other cars I driven around the Nurb. But that's the nature of this little beast.

I think I'll go bask in my success for a little while (of course, "success" [probably misspelled?] being relative to my ability).

 

[Kolyana]

T10: 6'41.002

Best I can managed with 130 miles on the clock thus far. Not competitive and way off the rest of you guys ... but me and this car really do not get along.

Maybe I shouldn't have picked Orange as a color?

 

[goixoye]

T10: 6'41.002

Best I can managed with 130 miles on the clock thus far. Not competitive and way off the rest of you guys ... but me and this car really do not get along.

Maybe I shouldn't have picked Orange as a color?

Twelve seconds behind? SHARK SHARK SHARK. Are you sure the color of your car is not "Great White"? I can't imagine that with so much time left in the week you won't surpass my time as I'm currently only a few seconds ahead. I guess now I will have to try some more.

Looks like I got to bask in my "success" for nearly 16 minutes. As always thanks for keeping me humble and in my place.

 

[Kent]

VEXD,
Good job with the 186mph. 👍
I managed 184 myself.

I also managed to make that a clean lap.
As usual, my first real fast lap was my first real clean lap.
Still plenty to improve but a good start.

6'27.4?? T10

Can post a setup if anyone wants it but for now I am headed off to do some stuff.
Back later.

Btw, great combo.

 

[Kolyana]

Twelve seconds behind? SHARK SHARK SHARK. Are you sure the color of your car is not "Great White"? I can't imagine that with so much time left in the week you won't surpass my time as I'm currently only a few seconds ahead. I guess now I will have to try some more.

Looks like I got to bask in my "success" for nearly 16 minutes. As always thanks for keeping me humble and in my place.

Man ... you're a solid 3 seconds a head of me with all the same time left in the week ... except you've been somewhat optimistic about getting faster and I DREAD getting back in this damned thing.

Right now I feel like a beached shark with no teeth ... desperately trying to get back into the water, but fearing I'm going to dry out like week old sushi

You've got me on the ropes this week and it's *me* who has to do the fighting Enjoy it.

 

[bbq0801]

Dave, I must be dumb or something.. This looks like a great series. When are the final times due?

-Brandon

 

[Kolyana]

Next Monday, bbq0801,

 

[bbq0801]

Next Monday, bbq0801,

Awesome, Im in.. thanks Kolyana

 

[Kolyana]

Wait, you're a D1 driver! Can't have you pushing me even further down the field!!! Deadlien is next wednesday *cough* honest *bats eyes*

 

[bbq0801]

Wait, you're a D1 driver! Can't have you pushing me even further down the field!!! Deadlien is next wednesday *cough* honest *bats eyes*

hahahahahah... no worries! Next wednesday it is.

 

[goixoye]

Man ... you're a solid 3 seconds a head of me with all the same time left in the week ... except you've been somewhat optimistic about getting faster and I DREAD getting back in this damned thing.

Right now I feel like a beached shark with no teeth ... desperately trying to get back into the water, but fearing I'm going to dry out like week old sushi

You've got me on the ropes this week and it's *me* who has to do the fighting Enjoy it.

Blah Blah Blah. Heard this before right before you rip my limbs off and leave me flopping helpessly about at least a few seconds BEHIND.

In addition to the oil change (and possible rigidity increase) I was also thinking about a little ASM on this guy. What's everybody else running relative to rigidity and ASM?

Also a question about technique. I spent the first 5 or 6 months with GT4 driving two-handed and using the paddle shifters like I did GT3 and every other racing game. But with the 900 rotation my arms would get knotted up and shifting gears (like downshifting in the middle of the corner) in that position could be difficult. So I "trained" myself to drive one-handed (one hand on the wheel and one on the shifter) the way I drive my real car. It feels like you sacrifice some precise control of the car by doing this but now after a couple of months this way I like it better...although about a month ago I did the Formula car series and those cars really want to be two-handed. Maybe auto tranny's a thought? Now, finally the question: How do you folks drive GT4? One-handed or two-handed?

 

[OnlyMe]

I'm driving with the rigidity and no ASM whatsoever. As for one or two hands, I'm using both as that works better when using a DS2

 

[VEXD]

Always two hands, you cant drive anything properly with one, believe me, when people come karting at my circuit on the weekends, they drive with two, cos the ones that use one, they hit walls when the steering snaps out of their hands!!!

I use the schtick, but i have two hands in one position on the wheel all the time, and the right hand goes from "2 o'clock" to the schtick and back to "2 o'clock" so fast sometimes that even video cameras cant see it.

You dont believe me, ask Mr P.

You must use two hands.

And manual, and no aids.

Well done goixoye, you're attitude has improved, as well as your time.

Kent, thankyou for the kudos 👍

Koly, there is probably one explanation for you and this car not getting on, and i may have it, i may not, either way, it doesnt hurt to suggest, so i will:

You ever driven the viper?

That car has a certain way of driving it that will yield results, and if not driven that way, will feel like a dog.

You have to push its a$$ round the track.
Same here with the lotus.

Drive every corner by braking first, then POWERING round it.

Sometimes, you will see the verge, and think its too late, and braking at that point will send you straight into the wall/armco/grass/sand/opponent, but hitting the throttle in the right gear will send this car flying round the turn, and leave you breathless, at which point you will be so surprised you made the last turn, that you flump the next one, and crash, thats what i usually do, but try it.

In short, drive it hard into every turn.

As soon as you are hesitant, or sheepish with this car, it'll chuck you off. simple.

good luck everyone!

I am about sick of the restart ratio that this combo requires now, and out of some serious hours of driving this yesterday, i only managed one more clean lap, in fact, it was the only lap i completed, and i remembered the T10.

T10: 6'25.402

I knocked a complete second off the time, but i know there are two more that ive seen, but i cant drive at 3 in the morning with a cold, so ive stopped trying for a bit.

Persevere i will....when better i feel.

👍

 

[Speedy Samurai]

Perhaps the weight reduction on an already superlight car was unnecessary and providing us with some big air over the bumps. I have found this car to be more rewarding yet more difficult to control. Vexd is right though, you can jump on the throttle early and the Lotus will see you through. I still have not finished a lap but have only put in about 30 minutes or so.

 

[Steve57]

Hi Folks

Just had a rather unsuccesful session with the Lotus, I just could not find the grove
I had with it earlier in the week, so frustrating . Whats worse is I'm developing
a complex about the "Wipperman" section of the curcuit,( just after T7 ) I stuff up way
too much there and now I'm starting to choke thru there, I think I have a fairly
reasonable handle on most of the rest of the track, but there it really has me fazed .
So as usual any tips would be most welcome.

Amazing times posted already, 6'25 vexed mate take a bow, and Goixoye great time too 👍

Theres always tommorrow, so I will give it another shot, and hopefully progress a bit.
Oh and I always use two hands, on the DFP, 99% use the paddles, but always ready
to hit the stick shift if need be.

Steve

 

[Dave_George]

Hi everyone,

decided that we needed some more "expert" help with the Elise and asked Scaff if he could come up with some answers that might explain the characteristics we are seeing in this car, below is an explanation for why the CSL is quicker, why the Elise doesnt brake as good and a suggested set up plan, I would like to take this chance to thank Scaff for dropping straight onto this one and helping out, we found out earlier in the series through chatting that our driving styles are similar due to the way we set up the cars, and Scaff has managed once again to get the car neutral and predictable with gentle understeer on the limit......thats not to say this set up will work for everyone, but please have a read through below and see if it helps you 👍

Dave

First the overall laptimes and why the Elise is slower. While it may have a better power to weight ratio it generates max bhp at 8,000rpm and its not a nice big fat power curve either, thats the peak power and is only acheived at that rpm. Rather a narrow power band, take a look at the power curves in the tuning screen to see what I mean.

NA tuning rather than a turbo would have given less bhp but may have resulted in more useable power.

The Elise is also down on torque on the BMW as well, which doesn't help it. Remember power indicates how fast you can go, torque helps determine how quickly you are going to get to it.


On to braking and first to adress the bigest trap (one a number of people fall into), weight is not a significant factor in braking. Weight transfer is more important (and is discussed in the set-up below), but the single biggest factor is the size of the contact patch (as both cars were running S2's).

Quite simply the more rubber you have in contact with the road, the quicker you will stop, its the single biggest factor in stopping distances.

The racing brakes in the specs will make almost no difference at all, a brake balance controller would have helped massively in the set-up of this car. Personally I alway fit a BBC before I will fit Racing Brakes.

For a lot more info on the braking side of things, take a look at the GT4 & Brakes thread, the link is in my sig.

Finally the Set-up.

Spring Rates
F 4.5 R 5.5

I softened these both up to help with the light weight of the car and its ability to handle the bumps at the 'ring. The rear settings have been softened slightly more than the front (when compaired to the default) to reduce the oversteer tendancy.

This has also helped in the car moving more in relation to the weight transfer, it give a much better 'feel' for what the car is doing

Ride Height
F 105 R 110

I raised the ride height for two reasons, first to ensure that the front end was not bottoming-out, it allows you to make a bit more use of the rumble strips.

The second reason was to aid in the braking, you may remember from above that weight transfer can help with braking. wel by raising the height of the car we have changed the COG and developed more weight over the front of the car under braking, the extra height in the rear helps this as well. Its not as effective as a BBC, but it does help slightly and I guess thats better than nothing.

Dampers
F 2 R 2

I softened these right down to deal with the regular bumps in the track, this is also about as soft as they need to go. While this is needed it does mean that the transition to under and oversteer is a little quicker, but the increased ride height should help here.

Camber
F 2 R 1.3

The mid engined layout helps here as once the car is settled in a corner the increased camber helps maximise the grip levels the tyres can offer. I also increased the rear camber more than the front (from default) to help with the oversteer.


I would not recomend going for the rigidity option as the car is more than stiff enough already.


Let me know what you think of the above, but please do remember that the Elise (as it is in the real world) is a very tricky car to drive on the limit, its mid-engined layout, light weight and short track and wheelbase mean once its gone you've got to be very quick to catch it.

The car loves smooth inputs and progresive acceleration. any sudden lift or application of power can unsettle the car.

Also try and keep the car straight when you brake (MR again do not like anything else) and over the jumps. Its worth a lift or light brake before the jumps.

And what ever you do, keep off the grass, particularly when braking.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Scaff

I tried this set up and after 1 lap my time is as follows

T1 45.584
T2 1'21.455
T3 1'50.579
T4 2'42.957
T5 3'21.761
T6 3'49.167
T7 4'40.684
T8 5'24.129
T9 5'46.942
T10 6'30.561

I had errors a plenty on this mainly outbraking myself again and a powerslide exiting the Karussell, and i was a bit too conservative coming though the T11 section after seeing V max of 181MPH, nice to see a clean legal lap which im happy with though

I found the car to now feel "higher" and you can really sense the weight transfer taking place, its neither biased to under/oversteer in my opinion, i think if your having trouble then ten mins with Scaffs set up may work wonders even if its a base to start from

Excellent time Vexd 👍

cheers everyone

Dave

 

[Dave_George]

Hi Folks

Just had a rather unsuccesful session with the Lotus, I just could not find the grove
I had with it earlier in the week, so frustrating . Whats worse is I'm developing
a complex about the "Wipperman" section of the curcuit,( just after T7 ) I stuff up way
too much there and now I'm starting to choke thru there, I think I have a fairly
reasonable handle on most of the rest of the track, but there it really has me fazed .
So as usual any tips would be most welcome.

Amazing times posted already, 6'25 vexed mate take a bow, and Goixoye great time too 👍

Theres always tommorrow, so I will give it another shot, and hopefully progress a bit.
Oh and I always use two hands, on the DFP, 99% use the paddles, but always ready
to hit the stick shift if need be.

Steve

Hi Steve, for Wipperman,

I take the corner before T7 in 3rd and let the car drift over to the left as i cross T7, into 4th and a gentle lift for the right hander and again for the left, as it flicks back right i try and take some kerb and let the car drift over to the left again, as the brake marker comes up for the uphill right hander i change down into 3rd, brake gently and get on the power over the crest in 3rd, key for me through here is to be gentle with the throttle as there is a lot of direction change that wants to unsettle the car, a stiff set up will not allow the kerb to be ridden and will fling you onto the grass on the left more often than not.......

Get it right though and its a really rewarding section, and my personal favourite

hope this helps, i dont have specific speeds etc as im at work but can have a better look tonight 👍

regards

Dave

 

[Kent]

Well,

I am happy to see that "scaff" has put in some of his time to help out. 👍

Of course, as usual I am on my own settings and with even more of the same, my settings look nothing like everyone elses.
Slightly stiffer on the dampeners, slightly softer on the springs, far less camber, no ride height bias (even ride height front/rear).

Luckily, I know what I'm doing.

Just finished a lap with 2 sandy-dirty spots.
Probably a good .8 to lose before T10 on that lap.

None the less, it was a fast lap (even if it was dirty and slowed down by that dirt).

6'24.??? (low, as in, 6'24.1 or 6'24.2)

I'm hoping to see a 6'23.??? (low)

It will take some work though.

Anyway, I haven't nailed it yet so there's no need to worry. 👍
Plus, as usual, I am asking that I am not included in any kind of long term stats (such as the point system).

I'll be back later today once I've nailed a good lap.
Till then,
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[Kolyana]

VexD ... why yes, I have driven the Viper ... and yes, I suck in that, too. My main problem is with MR type cars ... I really stuggle with their tendency to lose traction in places where I don't expect ti, so - like you said - I suspect that my driving style is exactly what these cars don't need.

I have improved over my original forays onto this track ... largely by pushing it through corners like you have suggested ... but I'm still somewhat way off the pace and not entirely sure where I'm losing it.

Thanks for the helpful words, though ... they''ll be ringing in my ears when I next get out there.

@Dave ... please thank Scaff from us ... great write up and some nice pointers reagrding setup options.


And lastly .... whose Scaff?