Thanks Imari. I heard that Far Cry has one of the best map editors there is on a console. I don't know if this is true. But apparently you can create tracks with elevation and tight corners etc on that and drive cars around it. How ironic that a "non racing franchise" can do better eh I heard about ModNation too. And V Rally 2. I don't think I ever played V rally 2, but I did play V Rally. You know I really can't remember but there are so many games out their with track editors which on their platform could do so much better than Gran Turismo 6 has done on the PS3. Maybe PD's excuse is that in fact the PS3 was too hard to code on and took a long time to figure out. They shouldn't have this excuse with the PS4 being PC based instruction set X86. So they can't use that excuse again. We'll see how well they can do with something much easier and which the developers feel much easier and more comfortable to code with. GT7 will be the proof of the pudding. But i'll not take my hat off yet.