Official GTP GT4 Demo Time Attack!

[puricele7e]

I think it's MOSTLY because of DFP, but MT can also play an important part 💡

But in my opinion the best strategy is to learn the track (it's fun learning it ) by watching real Ring videos off the net, they are awsome for learning the lines and braking points 👍

Like 8200rpm.com or something like that would help a lot

 

[T13R]

And if there is new record, screen capture as a proof - important

Screen captures don't mean ****, sorry to say. They don't show you if the driver has hit a wall, or drove abit off track ( more than 2 wheels ) or took a shortcut somewhere.

 

[YZF]

Screen captures don't mean ****, sorry to say. They don't show you if the driver has hit a wall, or drove abit off track ( more than 2 wheels ) or took a shortcut somewhere.

Ofcourse they don't, but then again we aren't challenging for prize or smth...just for fun. And i think if you hit wall or slide off the track, you lose time in this game and not gain ..

 

[NissanKoreaCEO]

Screen captures don't mean ****, sorry to say. They don't show you if the driver has hit a wall, or drove abit off track ( more than 2 wheels ) or took a shortcut somewhere.

Screen captures are better than.. NOTHING.
Because some kid can come and just make up time,
it ensures at least somebody really made that record.
although i believe everyone posting their records here don't lie,
it's still better than nothing but it's not required though..

However it's not that serious because once again, it's just for fun.
actually running and trying to go faster let YOU have the good time
and help practicing your racing skill.
If somebody posts up made up time for number one ranking?
Yeah that's great but it's just meaningless for him/her and it doesn't change other people's life.
Important thing is that YOU having a good time!
Enjoy YOUR time attack guys!
Who cares if someone lies?
Having the REAL skill counts.

PS. I will update records soon.

 

[Hyde]

i sure hope people with Driving Force Pro are the people that actually make the best lap times

 

[kensei]

See this is a issue with these hotlap times. You need to take them with a grain of salt. Screen shots mean NOTHING! Sure they show the time but they don't show the logger data, etc. Videos are better but still ahrd to tell for tire offs and such. I've watched a few videos of people driving in this demo and have seen a few offs.

But this demo doesn't support saved laps or any kind of data. So we just have to take these with a grain of salt and enjoy the game.

In my Nurburgring hotlap board i hope all who have submitted have clean laps and are NOT running in race mode, I don't want drfating to corrupt the times. But then again I have no control over it, how can I know if someone is honest?

So take these times with a grain of salt. We won't know for sure until the actual GT4 game comes out with saved replays and xport/max drive support for official OLR certification of laps.

 

[SaintKamus]

i sure hope people with Driving Force Pro are the people that actually make the best lap times

this is not possible, the best time will always be posted by DS2 users, for one simple reason: PD has two control schemes for the game, one is ARCADE, other is REALISTIC. One is used by the DS2, the other one is used by the steering wheels... i'll let you guess wich has wich.

It's cool that PD is at least trying to make it appealing to sim fans with good steering wheel support, but to be honest, the steering feels much more natural in GTR than it does in GT4, 900 degrees and all, it's pretty damn close. but it's not quite there yet, sometimes in GT4 the wheel will seem unresponsive, this is never the case in GTR, however, that's my only gripe i guess, other than that it's pretty damn good.

but hardcore sim fans will never really get into GT4, untill a wheel is not only suported, but REQUIRED to play the game.
Hopefully GT series fans will make this posible someday by getting educated when it comes to car culture. (i won't hold my breath though)

 

[kensei]

In my experience with OLR it is about 50/50 DS2/wheel. Most of the really fast guys are DS2 users, not only that but they use the buttons and not the sticks. I have bene playing the demo with my wheel recently and imporving my times and honestly having more fun...but I am faster with the DS2 overall. I can go deeper into corners and throttle out smoother. I use the sticks on the Ds2 though so it is right foot braking. With the wheel I am a left foot braker which allows me to control the car a bit better, as opposed to throwning it around with the DS2.

The DFP support in this demo is very good and realistic. Much better than GT3 was and much better than prolouge was. It is getting there but I don't think one is always faster than the other. It depends on the driver.

 

[SaintKamus]

See this is a issue with these hotlap times. You need to take them with a grain of salt. Screen shots mean NOTHING! Sure they show the time but they don't show the logger data, etc. Videos are better but still ahrd to tell for tire offs and such. I've watched a few videos of people driving in this demo and have seen a few offs.

But this demo doesn't support saved laps or any kind of data. So we just have to take these with a grain of salt and enjoy the game.

In my Nurburgring hotlap board i hope all who have submitted have clean laps and are NOT running in race mode, I don't want drfating to corrupt the times. But then again I have no control over it, how can I know if someone is honest?

So take these times with a grain of salt. We won't know for sure until the actual GT4 game comes out with saved replays and xport/max drive support for official OLR certification of laps.

that time posted by "flinx" is hard to belive, best i've done so far is 7'02.xxx, and while i know there's room for improvement, the tricky part is getting that "room for improvement" in one full lap with out any mistakes, ever. the track is too long to have a flawless lap, and to me, a 6:51 time only seems obtainable with a perfect lap, not saying it's impossible, but heck, that would mean this guy can beat the viper, something that for me is imposible because of of simple limitations the skyline has: understeer due to lack of downforce, lack of tire grip and lack of power. not even while drafting the vette have i been able to get 6:51, not even close.

 

[kensei]

that time posted by "flinx" is hard to belive, best i've done so far is 7'02.xxx, and while i know there's room for improvement, the tricky part is getting that "room for improvement" in one full lap with out any mistakes, ever. the track is too long to have a flawless lap, and to me, a 6:51 time only seems obtainable with a perfect lap, not saying it's impossible, but heck, that would mean this guy can beat the viper, something that for me is imposible because of of simple limitations the skyline has: understeer due to lack of downforce, lack of tire grip and lack of power. not even while drafting the vette have i been able to get 6:51, not even close.

I am suspect of that time too, but more so his Skyline R34/street tires one. It is insane to even consider one that fast. I can see dropping my time to a 8'10.xxx range, but faster than that yikes. Then again the MR2 time is attainable, so who knows. The 'Ring is so long that ther eis so much time to gian so gaining 8 seconds on a lap isn't that huge.

That being said. Hot lapping is different than racing. I think you can hit a perfect hotlap when focused, race laps are another story.

But I let them stand...since there is absolutely no way to verify.

 

[lafontaine]

that time posted by "flinx" is hard to belive, best i've done so far is 7'02.xxx, and while i know there's room for improvement, the tricky part is getting that "room for improvement" in one full lap with out any mistakes, ever. the track is too long to have a flawless lap, and to me, a 6:51 time only seems obtainable with a perfect lap, not saying it's impossible, but heck, that would mean this guy can beat the viper, something that for me is imposible because of of simple limitations the skyline has: understeer due to lack of downforce, lack of tire grip and lack of power. not even while drafting the vette have i been able to get 6:51, not even close.

to beat the viper is not "really" a problem. If you drive fast and clean the Viper won´t even get you.

 

[SaintKamus]

to beat the viper is not "really" a problem. If you drive fast and clean the Viper won´t even get you.

if you drive fast and clean he'll smoke you past the karrussell, even if he didn't even get a glimpse of you before that section.

maybe DS2 users have an advantage here, i'll never know, cause i'll never play GT with a DS2, but untill i see a video of someone beating the viper, it's just BS.
the only way i can think off of beating the viper, is that when it finally cathes you past the karrusell, you block him to death, but there is where the problem lies, your car will understeer, the viper will drive as if on rails, so it can pretty much pass you anywhere it wants, and if it bumps you on a tight corner, it's all over, it will drive you off the track.

 

[kensei]

I also think this demo has the classic GT3 "hp boost" for the AI. I'll loose the field in the first 1/4 of the 'Ring with the Falken GT-R and then hit what I know to be good sectors for me and then BAM, all of the sudden there is the viper and corvette on my bumper. They seem to get that boost if I get more than 5 seconds ahead of them.

So even if you pull way out, they will still catch you!

 

[Flinx]

that time posted by "flinx" is hard to belive, best i've done so far is 7'02.xxx, and while i know there's room for improvement, the tricky part is getting that "room for improvement" in one full lap with out any mistakes, ever. the track is too long to have a flawless lap, and to me, a 6:51 time only seems obtainable with a perfect lap, not saying it's impossible, but heck, that would mean this guy can beat the viper, something that for me is imposible because of of simple limitations the skyline has: understeer due to lack of downforce, lack of tire grip and lack of power. not even while drafting the vette have i been able to get 6:51, not even close.

while you are talking about me i´d prefer to be reffered as Flinx, please.
Thanks.
one of the letdowns of the demos is that you cannot save replays.
Since i already invested in a X-port and a MaxDrive i refuse to go out and buy a video capture card just to satisfy some of you guys out there.
Be sure that i will provide replays asap the full version is available.
And if you find it hard to belive, the time that is, you might ask one or the other OLR guy who i am.

Aside from that i don´t get the complains about the Viper.
If you have problems or the Viper smokes you after the Carraciola Karrusell, then you are simply too slow.
You can hold down the Viper over the complete race without cutting it or blocking.
For the record: start lap was a 6´59 followed by a flying lap of 6´53, the Viper lost by 1.8 seconds.
While watching the Viper durung the replay, you can see that the AI still cheats.
For example, i reach about 275 km/h on Schwedenkreuz while the Viper clocks out at 260.
The top speed of the Viper is appaling but the corner speeds are incredible.
At the top of Fuchsröhre i have to slow down to ~ 195 km/h while the Viper corners at 230 +.
I highly doubt that i will can do that when i drive the Viper.
So the current AI is only slightly if even better than the GT 3 one.
Enogh written, i have another date on the Nordschleife.
RX-7 is calling.

 

[kensei]

Flinx - I know who you are in OLR. Thus I let your times stand and can kinda see how they can be done. If you were someone with a screename like "NissanRuleZall" I doubt I would have posted them.

 

[SaintKamus]

while you are talking about me i´d prefer to be reffered as Flinx, please.
Thanks.
one of the letdowns of the demos is that you cannot save replays.
Since i already invested in a X-port and a MaxDrive i refuse to go out and buy a video capture card just to satisfy some of you guys out there.
Be sure that i will provide replays asap the full version is available.
And if you find it hard to belive, the time that is, you might ask one or the other OLR guy who i am.

Aside from that i don´t get the complains about the Viper.
If you have problems or the Viper smokes you after the Carraciola Karrusell, then you are simply too slow.
You can hold down the Viper over the complete race without cutting it or blocking.
For the record: start lap was a 6´59 followed by a flying lap of 6´53, the Viper lost by 1.8 seconds.
While watching the Viper durung the replay, you can see that the AI still cheats.
For example, i reach about 275 km/h on Schwedenkreuz while the Viper clocks out at 260.
The top speed of the Viper is appaling but the corner speeds are incredible.
At the top of Fuchsröhre i have to slow down to ~ 195 km/h while the Viper corners at 230 +.
I highly doubt that i will can do that when i drive the Viper.
So the current AI is only slightly if even better than the GT 3 one.
Enogh written, i have another date on the Nordschleife.
RX-7 is calling.

well, i did say hard to belive, not undoable, if you can do it, that's great, but i really have no clue how it can be done with out seeing it for myself, your times with the R34 (the non-racing one) are even more hard to belive, but of course i always leave the benefit of doubt, because i know that by no means i'm a benchmark to be messured against, i KNOW i'm slow ^_^.
I think i would be a lot faster with the stock GTR if TCS was off, not being able to slide the rear, really sucks on that car, i know it would make me considerably faster on some corners.
I agree that the AI cheats and that it still sucks, many people here seem happy that it's better than the one in GT3, but thats not saying anything in the first place.
i've been playing GTR recenetly, guess i better play more GT4 demo if i want to be competitive when it ships.

i've never done gt3 "OLR". never considered GT3 for competitive gaming, it was just too arcadish for me to even consider it. GT4 on the other hand, has just enough simness to get me into it.

 

[T13R]

For those of you who don't know, Flinx is one of the top GT3 players in the world, and he has been around for a really long time. His lap times are 100% clean, and he is a very respectable person. His lap times should always be used as a reference, if you can come close to them, consider yourself a good GT gamer, if you can't, don't get frustrated and think his lap times are not possible. Unfortunately, it is simply because you aren't taking the absolute best line or braking point or accelerating point. I'm not defending his times here, but rather backing them up as a fellow OLR racer, as I'm sure he would do the same for me... if he actually remembers me heh.

 

[kensei]

I agree Flinx is one of the top names in GT OLR I have seen for years. I've even chased his ghosts a few times in Gt3 and learned alot. Still his demo times are WAY out there and scary to even consider....but I don't doubt his ability.

 

[Koolad]

OMG, I know I'm not the fastest driver, but I had to post this time:

Koolad - Falken GT-R - racing - off - Manual. - DFP - 6'58.624

I know it can be improved (but that 6'51" of Flinx is not of this world ) because for example, in my previous lap I was over one second below in T2 (under the bridge) and presuming this lap was a big one, i didn't push the pedal to the metal between Pflanzgarten and the mini-karussell (a bit coward, I know , but I had screwed it up there many times doing it full throttle )

And if you are a bit rude , it's not hard to beat the Viper. The trick is not to let him pass you in the second half of the circuit (between Karussell and the starting line). Don't forget to drive -minimally properly- while watching your mirror! hahaha

PS: This way to beat the Viper is not realistic nor funny...

 

[NissanKoreaCEO]

Hello
I think I will never coming back.
So if anyone wants to take over this thread or restart, please PM me.
Somebody wants me out of this forum, so good bye!
I had good time here with you all

Merry Christmas

 

[relio]

every Time that Flinx post is 100% true and clean. I personally know him for 2 years now, and there are not many drivers around the world who can beat him. I have a lotz of respect of him. Don´t doubt his times, you should improve yourself and know how much space you have to improve times!!

relio

I also won the race against the viper but only because of the viper couldn´t pass the vette still 2.nd round and i had a 11sec. advantage. so i won with 3 sec.

 

[Jay]

I think I will never coming back..
Somebody wants me out of this forum, so good bye!
I had good time here with you all

What are you talking about?

 

[puricele7e]

I guess he is leaving the forum

 

[SaintKamus]

What are you talking about?

and more importantly... who cares?!

 

[3rdgenracerX]

I got a new best time in the Falken GT-R, 6'51.115.
I made two videos of it.
TV camera with no telemetry, 46 meg's
http://www.3rdgenracerX.net/Nurburgring2.wmv

3rd persion view with telemetry, 39 megs
http://www.3rdgenracerX.net/Nurburgring.wmv

Enjoy

 

[alexsteffen]

I would love to see a video from one of these "under 7 Minutes"-laps.

Not because i doubt the results, but just to learn some more about the track.

I´m stuck at 7:08 Minutes with racing tires, off, Automatic.

I know, i will never make a lap under 6:57, but i improved my time in the BMW-Einser-Demo just by watching one pretty good lap from this Forum.

I actually changed my complete driving style and learned to brake the Einser deep into the corners !

I had great improvements, but i also saw that my line was pretty well. There weren´t many differences.

So if someone could post a link to a good lap, i would be very interested !

 

[3rdgenracerX]

I would love to see a video from one of these "under 7 Minutes"-laps.

Not because i doubt the results, but just to learn some more about the track.

I´m stuck at 7:08 Minutes with racing tires, off, Automatic.

I know, i will never make a lap under 6:57, but i improved my time in the BMW-Einser-Demo just by watching one pretty good lap from this Forum.

I actually changed my complete driving style and learned to brake the Einser deep into the corners !

I had great improvements, but i also saw that my line was pretty well. There weren´t many differences.

So if someone could post a link to a good lap, i would be very interested !

look in my post just above your's. I have 2 video links.

 

[aldibe_72]

Hi everybody !

I'm an Italian enthusiast of Gran Turismo series, and the Nordschleife is
my favourite track.
I go to Nurburg to drive in it, at least once a year, better if twice 👍
this is my best lap in the ring...

Course: Nurburgring
Car: Falken Skyline
Tire: Racing
Transmission: MT
Aids: Off
Controller: Logitech Driving Force Pro
Time: 7:06:606

 

[alexsteffen]

look in my post just above your's. I have 2 video links.

I´m just downloading them !

Thank you very much ! Now i have some material to improve my skills... !

I will report !

Thx !!

 

[ferrari355]

this "flitz"guy... umm its just my opinion and i hope no one gets mad but....is someone you spends there life mastering a videogame really that respectable.....i no its his job and all but i wouldn't bow to him if i saw him.....