One year and a few days ago...

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JohnBM01
I still find it hard to actually judge what it is we're judging on in terms of accuracy in sounds. I think the GT4 crew was talking about taking sound samples from certain cars in some place. I don't really know how accurate things actually are for GT4 or Enthusia. So I don't know much on the sound front.
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You can look for some incar-footage on websites like youtube, google-video and the likes of them and compare them to the GT4/Enthusia counterparts, at least that's what I do. TopGear also has lots of sound-coverage and the BBC has decided to put more of their coverage online, check out their website at www.bbc2.co.uk/topgear .

Of course, if it's youtube (and the likes of them) the engine sounds suffer a bit from cheap recording/bad sound-quality, but you can tell in an instant where PD couldn't get the real sound (for whatever reason) and sometimes there are good samples around which can be compared to the games.
Best Motoring (apparently lots of their stuff had to be taken off due to copyright infringements) was a good source for japanese cars ...


And I'm still impressed that Konami bothered to include that sound which reminds you to shift in the Mazda rotarys.
 
I must admit, I haven't played Enthusia in a while...it's just that I did pretty much everything there is to do, and with the recent aquisition of my motorcycle license and Kawasaki, I've been using the PS2 to play Tourist Trophy most of the time.

However, last night I fired it up, and after doing a race around the Burgenschlucht with the 2002 Turbo, I fell in love with the game all over again. :)

Vio
And I'm still impressed that Konami bothered to include that sound which reminds you to shift in the Mazda rotarys.
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What's even more impressive is the squealing of the race-spec brakes on a level 10 car...
 
Wolfe2x7
What's even more impressive is the squealing of the race-spec brakes on a level 10 car...
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yeah, it makes someone wonder why PD doesn't care about such little details, you would expect them to be the first to include such gimmicks first, especially since Yamauchi is a car-enthusiast.

Tried my hands at the Cadillac STS yesterday and wow, never had such Torque-Understeer... lost against the Nissan Elgrande uphill on Dragon slope :D.
 
This Enthusia comment is for you Mazda fans. I don't consider myself a big Mazda guy, but I had a chance to use the Mazda RX-7 Spirit R in Enthusia. I read what you people said about the beeps with the RX-7 cars. All I can say is... wow. It would be a pretty nice car to practice standard shifting since you got those beeps. And I'll tell you right now. I was never really an RX-7 guy, but this thing is AWESOME to drive in Enthusia! Turn off the driver aids, and you have a very agile car that you can control in the corners. Take it to Pacific Gateway, Löwenseering, Tsukuba (wet or dry), or wherever. It is a very nice package. In the wet, the car sort of swings out like a rally car. You won't lose her and slam her into the wall, though. People who defend Enthusia's driving model would say that it's pretty true. The ones who hate on this driving model is likely taught by people that... well... the truth hurts. I used Marco Strada - Normal for my wet test with the Mazda RX-7 Spirit R. I'll try some other models to see if they do the same thing behind the wheel.

I didn't notice the beeping in the Savanna RX-7 GT-X. You could hear the beeps in the Savanna RX-7 Infinity. It seems like this car will make those beeps at about 6400 rpm with the redline at 7000 rpm. The 1990 RX-7 is also a nice-handling car. You just have to adjust the throttle carefully. It has almost race car-style handling. It's no wonder why an RX-7 Infinity was turned into a D1GP drift car (as featured in GT4). My one-lap pass at Tsukuba Dry/Night ended up in a time of 1:18.136. The time was pretty slow because I lost the car coming out of Turn 1. I probably could have been capable of a 75-second lap around Tsukuba. Who knows?

I even tried taking a Madza RX-8 Type-S around Autumn Mountain to listen to those beeps. And sure enough, the Renesis-powered 4-door sports car had the same beeping sounds. The beeping seems to begin around 8400 rpm with a 9000 rpm redline. I'm sure you NASCAR fans can appreciate this engine since its redline is about the same as a Nextel Cup car. After all, the Renesis engine DID win "Engine of the Year" honors before. Once again proving that you don't need a turbocharged V12 with 600+ horsepower and 7998cc of displacement to have a worthy engine. The one complaint people have about the RX-8 is that doesn't have enough torque. You want torque? Get a Viper. It is a lovely-handling machine. My one-lap pass at Autumn Mountain - Normal yielded a 1:34.824 time. I used careful handling to avoid walls and knock down a perfect lap without getting any fouls. My top speed was 90 mph around this tricky rural road course. The beautiful Japanese scenery was flying past while I was listening to my RX-8 tear the roads up. But I'll tell you what. My run makes a hell of a Mazda commercial. :lol: Japan's a beautiful place which crafted a wonderful beast in the RX-8. Only thing that would have been better is if there was the Mazdaspeed RX-8 with more power and likely better performance.

The ultimate Mazda offering in this game is the Le Mans-winning 787B. I have to say that I like the roar of this car in Enthusia than in GT3 and GT4. The raspy roar of the 787B in the GT series gets to me a bit. The 787B sounds like a low-pitched Formula One car in Enthusia. One o fthe reasons why I loved this car in GT3 was because it was wickedly fast and very capable. It was wonderful how my 787B could lay down fast times. Most GT-spec cars would lay down between 1:30 and 1:45 at Tokyo R246 Normal. I laid down a 1:20-something at Tokyo in GT3. I probably did a few ticks lower in GT3. My fastest-ever time in GT3 at Tokyo R246 Normal was 1:17.308 in the F/687 F1 car. My Time Attack was at Pacific Gateway with this car. It handles very smoothly. My only problem was consistency. It's like I could go for a time in the 1:30 to 1:40 range, but I kept brushing walls, going off-course, and really blundering in places I normally wouldn't commit blunders on this track. But it happens, right?

As an off-topic note, I didn't notice the little lighthouse at Marco Strada in the Night/Wet race until I did my wet track run. So there. There is Enthusia love plus Mazda love. Enjoy.
 
You really should try your hands at the other two Rotary-Mazdas, the Savanna AP GT and the Cosmo Sports 110, one of the most important rotary-cars up till now.

The Savanna AP GT is a great car and quite a handful if you floor the pedal out of corners. I found myself spinning in the first corner of Burgenschlucht (normal) and being quite surprised. The Savanna AP GT really is a nice handling-car because of it's weight (or rather because it doesn't weigh too much, eh!) but can be all over the place if you push too much ... but heck, I love this car!


And, you might be able to tell, I love the Cosmo even more ... the first 2-rotor rotary-car was a shock for NSU, the German company which had built the first rotary car ever. NSU was in a rush then to present their 2-rotor car, the Ro 80. Because of the "me too"-approach of NSU to regain the rotary-"leadership", their rotary-engine had some design-flaws which caused a lot of engine failures and damaged their reputation which led, ultimatively, to their demise. Even today my father thinks that the rotary-engines don't work ... ahem, getting a bit caught up there but I find it too interesting to not talk about it a bit.

The fact that the agreement between NSU and Mazda (Toyo Kogyo back then) was signed on my birthday is a funny sidenote, too, eh!

Anyway, the Cosmo Sports 110 featured in Enthusia is the second version of the built 110s, you can easily tell if you take a look at the front radiator grill. The big "mouth" is the easiest way to distinguish the two versions, a closer look at the wheelbase will also tell you which version you are looking at.

10A-Version:
short wheelbase
small radiator grille with four ventilation slots on each side.

10B-Version:
longer wheelbase
lager radiator grille with two additional ventilation slots.

If the links don't work, look there - L10A and L10B pages.


Well, here's more information for all the Rotary-people out there!


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woahaha, my brother told me right now that he thinks that Spirou et Fantasio drove a Cosmo in (at least?) one of their books. Have to look for that...
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seems not like it was in there ... have looked around a bit but nothing can be found that a Cosmo was featured in there. Any help?
 
Ah thanks! That looks a bit like it, yes ... heh, seems that there was a bit of a DS-love in Spirou + Fantasio, too.


Regarding the Mazdaspeed RX-8 JohnBM01 mentioned, I would have loved to see the Prodrive RX-8 to be a bit more powerful, but they have no experience with rotary-engines ....


Something I forgot to mention earlier:
From 1972 on, Mazdas rotary engines always featured 654 cc, even the RX-8 still has the same "displacement" as the old engines.

Anyway, the Cosmo has the smaller 2x491cc engine, whereas the RX-3 (or Savanna AP GT) has the 2x 573cc (i think that should be the right number, haven't checked it but I have that number in mind ...) engine.

I find that interesting, in a way ... kind of nice to listen to a bit of a history of rotary engines.
 
JohnBM01
The ultimate Mazda offering in this game is the Le Mans-winning 787B. I have to say that I like the roar of this car in Enthusia than in GT3 and GT4. The raspy roar of the 787B in the GT series gets to me a bit. The 787B sounds like a low-pitched Formula One car in Enthusia.
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As I've said before, I much prefer Enthusia's sounds to GT3/4's sounds. Compare the 787B's engine noise in Enthusia to the actual car itself:

http://www.fearme.com/img/cars_misc/787B_4.mp3

Enthusia even got the blub-blub idle correct...you can hear it better in the game if you turn up the volume on your TV. :)
 
Better than porn? Is that possible? (just joking!)

I sort of think this MP3 sounds slightly closer to GT's 787B than Enthusia. I think the loud engine probably could have sounded better and closer in GT games. The 787B sound in Enthusia is smoother than in GT games. I'm saying "GT games" because it's in GT3 and GT4 and don't want to say it's just in one or the other. The Enthusia variant of the 787B's roar is sort of like an F1 car only not as high-pitched and raspy. (Off-topic: what do you all think of how F1 cars sound nowadays? I kind of like the roar of the newer-spec F1 cars. How about you?) I'm sort of going to have to listen to the 787B in GT4 and Enthusia to decide which one is more accurate to the file Wolfe2x7 provided. The Mazda 110 Cosmo deal is rather interesting. It's hard for me to tell that this is a front/RWD car. It seemed more like a mid/RWD configuration. Then again, who would have thought that the Lister Storm GT racer is actually front/RWD? I'll be sure to use that machine in one of my Time Attack runs.

I'm going to discuss sound in the GT5 forum on what PD could learn from Enthusia in making GT5. I turned my attention away from Mazda to American cars. Earlier, someone talked about sounds in terms of the classic Shelby Cobra by Hall of Famer (and couldn't have been honored to a better guy, and Texas' own) Caroll Shelby. It's a pain to corner with, but its engine hums nicely. I even tried to check out some of the other 16 American cars in Enthusia. I tried to listen to the sounds of most of the American cars. I even stooped myself to driving a Cadillac Seville STS (I guess the CTS-V isn't in the American version as I saw it in some other version's car list). I stopped myself lower by driving the De Lorean. The Chrysler PT Cruiser was told as being America's best small car alternative. I've rode in one before, and a friend of mine at my community college has one. Can't remember the sound too well, but even the PT Cruiser was accurate in sound. I guess the one I was most impressed with in sound is the Ford GT. What I was sort of least impressed with were the Dodge Viper GTS and the 2002 Chevrolet Camaro. I love both of these cars, but I didn't really catch on to their roar. Again, think about if there were Racing Mufflers and stuff were in Enthusia. How would the sounds be made to give extra sound to the engine? Maybe imagine if you could give a car a turbo upgrade and get to hear that turbo sound when shifting. A number of different American car fans get all whiny over American car sounds in GT games. Enthusia may be a breath of fresh air in this respect.

Again, I'll touch up more on sounds in the GT5 thread I've made about what PD can learn from Enthusia. Consider this a small sampling.
 
JohnBM01
Again, think about if there were Racing Mufflers and stuff were in Enthusia. How would the sounds be made to give extra sound to the engine? Maybe imagine if you could give a car a turbo upgrade and get to hear that turbo sound when shifting.
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Enthusia has that. Drive a car while stock, and then drive the same car at tuning level 10. You can hear the exhaust, turbo, wastegate/blow-off-valve, brake whine, the works.
 
Yeah, but I was talking about in the context of GT, not the level up thing. My only maxed-out car is the Mercedes SLR McLaren. I have a couple of machines at Level 6 at the highest, so it isn't like I take every last car and try to make them competitive. In fact, I'm not even using a street car now. I'm still in Enthusia Life with the race cars.
 
You can tune a car to any level you like in the Free Race and Time Attack modes, which allows you to make an instant level 1/level 10 comparison.
 
Oh... I didn't know that. I think I did do one run on some track with a Level 10. I'll have to look around. On top of that, I tried to do Enthusia with my Mad Catz steering wheel. I'm not having too much luck with most games with this wheel. I'm sorry. I don't have the money or know someone who sells a Driving Force Pro for cheap. But then, I'll have to either stick with the DualShock 2 or TRY to work with the wheel I do have. I'm still pretty good with the DS2. I'm more old-fashioned, so I'm used to not having a completely hardcore experience.
 
JohnBM01
Oh... I didn't know that. I think I did do one run on some track with a Level 10. I'll have to look around. On top of that, I tried to do Enthusia with my Mad Catz steering wheel. I'm not having too much luck with most games with this wheel. I'm sorry. I don't have the money or know someone who sells a Driving Force Pro for cheap.
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So, is the Driving Force Pro the best wheel to get for the PS2? Not that I could afford one right now, but maybe around christmas ... and, speaking of Enthusia, I think it's a thing I wouldn't want to miss ...
 
The Driving Force Pro is the best wheel to get for the PS2, no doubt about it. However, Logitech will soon be coming out with a successor, called the G25, so you might want to wait and save your money for that. It's more expensive than the DFP ($300), but it has a 7-gate shifter, beefed-up force feedback, a clutch pedal, and the same 900-degree action that the DFP provides. It will also be compatible with anything that the DFP is compatible with.

Here's a link.
 
John, Idon't have a DFPro also, just the "old" DF (no 900º, and to shift you just have paddles), but Enthusia works perfectly with it and I think you can get DFs almost for free (well ... at least very cheap).
 
Has anyone got the Logitech MOMO Racing wheel? Thats the wheel i race with, and its a great wheel to use. Maybe thats why i can make faster times on Dragon Range than most other people. The wheel is so easy to use.
 
Sorry for OT guys , but nobody answered my question at FAQ thread.

How can I watch replay after Test Run? Or where could I race with my Enthusia Life cars? I want to drift with my LVL10 Silvia , but I can't find where could I drift with it and then watch the replay? Any ideas? Please :)
 
RcWr
Sorry for OT guys , but nobody answered my question at FAQ thread.

How can I watch replay after Test Run? Or where could I race with my Enthusia Life cars? I want to drift with my LVL10 Silvia , but I can't find where could I drift with it and then watch the replay? Any ideas? Please :)
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I'm not sure bit I don't think you can watch replays of Test Runs you make with your car in the Enthusia Life mode. Test Run, in that mode, is just to help you fine tune your car for a particular race, or even try any of your unlocked EL cars before you switch to any of them.

Besides, the cars you unlock in EL don't become available for use in Free Race and Time Attack modes. It's in FR or in Driving Revolution that you unlock cars you can use for Time Attacks.

Thirdly, if you get any car unlocked for use in FR/TA, you can use it at tune-lvl 10, and (in TA) you can save your replays.

Hope this helps!
 
Here's my latest Driving Revolution grade count in the order of S/A/B/C:



Levels cleared with S: 1-8, 10, and 13
3 "S" scores: 9, 11, 14, 16
2 "S" scores: 15
1 "S" score: 12, 18
No "S" scores: 17

Completion of Driving Revolution: 87%

I haven't done Driving Revolution recently. I have been testing out cars in Time Attack. The car sounds really do change on most cars on Level 10. It's best to do some rounds at Airport Square just to listen to the car at speed. I was really impressed with some of the big American bruisers. There are pretty nice sounds of American cars on Level 10. Take the Corvettes, Camaros, and the Ford GT. It seemed like Enthusia's American roars were sort of more accurate and of better quality than GT4. The reason why I don't get into most American car arguments is that a number of people do get pretty offended and want to have heated debate and negative comments on how American cars sound in most games. I've heard all kinds of stuff like a Corvette C5-R sounding like a blender (R: Racing Evolution). Enthusia does have some nice American car sounds. I'm not going to go blasting PD because they aren't as accurate with American sounds as accurately as Entuhsia or Forza. They are pretty nice. Enjoy some of the sounds in Enthusia.
 
Gutentag! I had my fears with older RWD cars simply because they can be hard to control with such skinny tires. I did a rare test run around Burgenschlut. This track is a mix of a pure road racing course and a rally course. I did a test run in an older car. My test mule is one of the all-time beautiful cars- the Mercedes-Benz 300SL. I am a fan of newer Mercedes models, but there's nothing more beautiful (at least from Mercedes-Benz) than the 300SL. This German goddess proven to be pretty agile for an older car. I had my moments with the 300SL in this game. The car is very controllable in the corners as it handled this course like a modern rally car. You have to adjust your throttle inputs and steer accordingly to make the most of this machine. Level 10 treatment for this car results in a less-controllable car which goes up to 125 mph. It's almost like you can go so fast with certain older cars. But no disrespect or offense. I can still recall trying to make wonders with the Shelby Cobra in the my "1000 Miles!" campaign in GT4 around Nürburgring Nordschleife. Some of you know my gut feelings about this 12+ mile monster. Couple that with a fast and slightly less nimble vintage car, and it's about as nightmarish as racing an F1 car around it (or try to compete in the Bonus BMW Williams F1 Challenge at Bathurst in ToCA Race Driver 3. 'Nuff said). It makes sweet music whether at Level 1 or Level 10.

Now on to the pure race cars. Do some of you remember my first post in this thread? I said that the Nissan R390 GT1 delivers one of the most solid drives? The Toyota GT-One delivers a sweeter ride. The car I wished would have won Le Mans in 1999 is wickedly powerful and fast. My two-lap run around Rev City had a fast time of about 55.477. My top speed was 177 mph around this course. I then did Pacific Gateway. If I had a least favorite part of the track, it would be that curve at the northeastern end of the course where you have a sand trap. I think that is the toughest part of the track, even in gutted-out race cars like the GT-One I used. Best time I laid down was a 1:35.856. The reference time for my GT-One at Pacific Gateway was 1:32.683. So my fastest time was just over three seconds ahead in comparison to the Reference Time. * I tried out the BMW McLaren F1 GTR. It's a different McLaren than in GT4 and Forza. It's a British beast with a German powerplant. I did some laps around Autumn Hill with it. Autumn Hill is a lovely race course with lovely hints of Fall in a Japanese setting. My first lap was cautious as I didn't want Black Flag laps. The second lap was a bit sloppier, yet managed to rip a 38.409 time around this course. See what fat tires and a great all-around car can do for you? Top speed was 158 mph around this 1.054 mile (translates to 1.696 km when rounded to the nearest thousandth) course. I bet I could have pulled a sub-40 second run if the Dover Downs oval was in Enthusia with this car. * I went to Tsukuba with the BMW 3.0 CSL Race Car. If you unlock this car in Free Run, it is REQUIRED that you learn proper throttle control and countersteering techniques before trying to impress your friends (granted you have any) with the 3.0 CSL. Off the line, it handles like a drag car off the line. I don't mean that in a good way. If you're thinking straight off the line, this car thinks 1/4 mile run. The usual stereotype of "just drive in a straight line" shows you why drag racing cars can be tough to handle. This car handles like a drag car when launched off the line or heading into corners as the car seems to shift its weight in one direction while you're thinking straight ahead. You can have some fun with this car by trying to get some nice drifts working. I even drifted a bit out of the final corner as my second lap pass ended in 1:09.871 with a 114 mph top speed around Tsukuba Dry Daytime. * I decided to race the other classic BMW race car, the M1 Procar. This is a 1970s beast in the likeness of the M1 Nelson Piquet raced back in the day. It's 1,924 mm wide with 470hp. I always thought the M1 had about 1,000 hp in race car form. I don't know. Was there ever a such thing as a 1,000 hp M1 (street or competition)? One GTPlanet member commended Konami for including the M1 Procar. My test track for the M1 Procar is really going to test me- Löwenseering. The car seems very fitting for this course since this is a pure race car racing around a great F1-style race course. Driving Mission Level 17 lessons will come in handy as those five planes flew over streaming some nice colors. Don't know . You can go up to 100 mph in only second gear like the Vector M12 in GT2. This car can be tough to control in corners. I like how fast it is. I can probably do some rounds at Speediapolis Ring or Ocean Bridge just to test its high-speed capabilities. How Nelson Piquet was able to handle this beast is something I'd be interested to know. My best time in two laps was 2:39.722. My top speed was 174 mph. This had to be one VERY fast race car in its day.

There aren't as many race cars in Enthusia as there are in GT4 and in Forza. The driving model in Enthusia really tests you. It took me a while to understand and master GT4's driving model with race cars. An error in driving in the GT series usually meant that you can't clear the corner effectively. Enthusia seems to test you just about all the time. Even corners you can clear without much technicality can be a challenge if you aren't careful. My second lap run at Pacific Gateway with the Toyota GT-One was probably one of the times in which I could just have fun trying to handle the GT-One's power and capabilities thereof. The driving model is sort of like you can have fun with it... but at the expense of black flags and lost Enthu Points.
 
I went back to Enthusia, but didn't return to competitive racing. I did the Nürburgring Nordschleife in a Time Attack run not for competitive time, but to listen to the music. Some songs have this sort of introduction part, then the rest of the song is looped. The area that loops is about four minutes long! It's the longest track in the game and even the longest song! I have heard music before that's about 8+ minutes long including symphonies. Much like I thought Löwenseering's song was more like a big fight against a major boss, this one is more like the final battle of the game. And it's no wonder why the King of the Year Grand Prix takes place at the Nürburgring Nordschliefe with this music going about. Talk about purgatory both in racing and in music! The ultra-long course is for those who have the time and are willing to endure through the entire deal to become champions. I've always been squeamish about using LMPs and GTPs around this track because it is so punishing. I think I even heard of some people in Great Britain or something in which someone cleared this track in under 5 minutes. Trying to keep the car on the track and not make critical errors in under five minutes is impossible. I don't care what kind of car you drive around this course. If you're going the full length of the course, it is an absolute nightmare because you have to be perfect EVERYWHERE around the track. One of the nice things about Enthusia is that you can do sections of the track to improve your skills in that certain area instead of having to practice the entire course just to master a certain section. If you pass up a section you're not good at, it probably won't be revisited until about 7-9 (and maybe even 10) minutes later. It's like you have to study every aspect of the course and know what's coming and when to be ready for it. By the way, my test car in my run was the Volkswagen Golf R32 IV. Just some German love there.
 
I've returned to Enthusia and did Enthusia Life. I just can't win with the Nismo Skyline Super GT Race Car. There are some times in which I feel that I'm happy with a loss, especially if I lose to a better car. I usually say that I'm not happy with losing unless I actually lost in a race I know I COULD win. Suffice to say, it is really an uneasy feeling when I'm racing a JGTC/Super GT race car against some other JGTC/Super GT Race Car(s). My winning percentage is pretty low in those races. Or let me give you another example. MOst of you who played GT4 know what to expect in the GT World Championship. Do you watch the little demos of each race? You will see a lot of different race cars in the series. You may see everything from the Audi R8 to the Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR (big let down for me in that series). Here's the thing. You're racing the highest-class race cars in that series. You can choose just about ANY pure race car to compete in the GT World Championship. Here is my campaign: I campaigned a Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR. NEVER won. I completed 50% of the game and got the Jaguar XJ-R9. Took it to the GTWC- won only once and got lapped in Hong Kong. I succeeded with one of other three cars: the Minolta Toyota 88-CV, the Nissan R92CP, and the beautiful Pescarolo Courage C60 (2004 model). You can try other very capable cars, but only a certain few can actually win the big races in GT4. You will NEED them to succeed in the very challenging races. Enthusia has about four specific machines you can win the bigtime race car events with: the Nissan R390 GT1, the Toyota GT-One, and either Team Goh Audi R8. After retiring from the Löwenseering event in 10/03 Week and changing cars the week after, I'm at about 40th rank heading into the November races. Now I'm wondering if I can win the King of the Year Grand Prix in four game years of playing... or if I'll have to settle for five years game time.

To give you some perspective, I'm in about seven years in GT4 compared to the four years I'm in Enthusia. All I know is that I'll have to be good in a BIG hurry if I want to clear the game in the game's four-year span without having to do RS all over again for the Fifth Year.
 
John, a good car to pick for the KotY race is the (new) BMW M3. Easy to drive and as fast as a road car can be (the Merc SLR is maybe fastest, but not so easy to drive). Take it to level 10 (if you haven't already) and switch to it just two weeks in advance (you'll miss the race before the KotY).

But beware, don't use it in October and November, because that car will give you very low odds ---> your ranking will suffer ---> you won't be able to enter the KotY race (you have to be in the top six to enter it).

Good luck!
 
JohnBM01
I've returned to Enthusia and did Enthusia Life. I just can't win with the Nismo Skyline Super GT Race Car. There are some times in which I feel that I'm happy with a loss, especially if I lose to a better car. I usually say that I'm not happy with losing unless I actually lost in a race I know I COULD win. Suffice to say, it is really an uneasy feeling when I'm racing a JGTC/Super GT race car against some other JGTC/Super GT Race Car(s). My winning percentage is pretty low in those races.
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Well, how good/bad do you do in such races? Being sixth is ... lots of work, but if you come home second all the time, it's not that much of a step until you can reach #1.

Aiming for the top in year four would be way too early for me, but I have to admit that I don't want to "clear" Enthusia Life too early, even if you can't "clear it", that is ...
It's too much fun struggeling to get back in the last 200 again after changing cars and racing against "normal" cars ... hence I haven't driven anything more powerful than a Cadillac Seville STS. Which was - at least performance-wise - not the best I had ... it comes down to the S2000, the Integra or the ASL Garaiya as the best cars I had. Although I won the NSX Type-R some time ago, I still don't want drive it ... I'll try to claim the top with that, heh!
Anyway, try to gain more experience if it doesn't work out yet and try again next year, I would say.

Maybe you'll find a car you wouldn't expect to appeal to you as much as it does ... like me who was surprised of how good the stock Type-R Hondas handle (okay, speaking of FF-cars and their handling being a bit too good ...) ... drove the 1.8L Toyota something (FF) today and boy, a clear tendency towards understeer, unlike the Civic or the Integra (the older one).


Or let me give you another example. MOst of you who played GT4 know what to expect in the GT World Championship. Do you watch the little demos of each race? You will see a lot of different race cars in the series. You may see everything from the Audi R8 to the Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR (big let down for me in that series). Here's the thing. You're racing the highest-class race cars in that series. You can choose just about ANY pure race car to compete in the GT World Championship. Here is my campaign: I campaigned a Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR. NEVER won. I completed 50% of the game and got the Jaguar XJ-R9. Took it to the GTWC- won only once and got lapped in Hong Kong. I succeeded with one of other three cars: the Minolta Toyota 88-CV, the Nissan R92CP, and the beautiful Pescarolo Courage C60 (2004 model). You can try other very capable cars, but only a certain few can actually win the big races in GT4. You will NEED them to succeed in the very challenging races.
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I did clear most of the GTWC-races with the Peugeot 905 ... it was only four races I couldn't win with the Peugeot, one of them was Hong Kong (4th Place after the R92CP sent me spinning ...) ... but it was, again, me taking some time to clear the races and doing lots of practice-laps with several cars.
Like trying to find a good setup for the Spirra (I called mine "Spirra GT", heh!) or getting the most out of my NSX.

I think you can win most of the races with every LMP, but there are indeed some races (Hong Kong) you can't clear with every LMP ... like the 905 which has a massive traction problem (of course, no driving aids throughout the game) with the pad.
In retrospective, I would like to know how good/bad I would have done with a wheel ...
 
So Enthusia Life is more of an endless season or career rather than something you'll need to complete to actually say you've beaten the game? Like with Simulation/Gran Turismo mode, you have a specified objective of winning every race to basically beat the game. I've done just that only once for GT games, and that was in GT1. I cleared everything from the Sunday Cup to the Special Stage Route 11 endurances. It was really the first time I won every race in a GT game. I believe I completed every race under the Special Races in GT2 once. Your ranking gets ruined most of the time when you do a race and change cars. So it seems like for competitive reasons (especially in RS), you move back in the rankings so that others can catch up to you and overtake your current position. There have even been times when I picked up a lot of ranking points... only to give some back because of no Enthu Points left or have to take a break. The most ranking position points I've gotten was about 32. You have to play this mode carefully and stay consistent. Consistency pays in real racing... and so does in Enthusia Life.
 
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So Enthusia Life is more of an endless season or career rather than something you'll need to complete to actually say you've beaten the game? Like with Simulation/Gran Turismo mode, you have a specified objective of winning every race to basically beat the game.
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As far as I know, the game doesn't tell you "okay, now you have cleared the game, well done and now you can go on doing whatever you want to do" like the GT-games do. GT4 gives you 100%, GT3 gave you a vid (wait ... GT4 gave you one, too, but that was earlier on) and that's basically it. In Enthusia, it's all about the KoTY-Race and #1, but I don't know exactly since I'm taking my time, heh!

I wonder what could have been if Konami would have had the guts to make a story out of the "Enthusia Life"-mode. Speaking of the opening movie ....

Your ranking gets ruined most of the time when you do a race and change cars. So it seems like for competitive reasons (especially in RS), you move back in the rankings so that others can catch up to you and overtake your current position. There have even been times when I picked up a lot of ranking points... only to give some back because of no Enthu Points left or have to take a break. The most ranking position points I've gotten was about 32. You have to play this mode carefully and stay consistent. Consistency pays in real racing... and so does in Enthusia Life.
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The GTs don't really feel like racing since it's just a neverending winning streak, if you look closer at it. In order to get the 100% and "clearing" the game, you have to win every race and most people seem to go for the win the first time they race, something I can understand - the more time-consuming the races get, the more you want to do them only once.

And that's the problem with GT - there's just winning or losing if you don't love close racing and doing races over and over again.
Enthusia is kind of more focused there with the ranking-system, you can't choose a new car for every race since you'll lose positions - and you can't overpower your car either, which (kind of) forces the player to learn what can be done with his car and what not. In the end it's down to his/her experience and skills which decide if the player can edge out a win or end up sixth.
I like that approach more than GTs "chase for the cup"...
 
Vio
As far as I know, the game doesn't tell you "okay, now you have cleared the game, well done and now you can go on doing whatever you want to do" like the GT-games do. GT4 gives you 100%, GT3 gave you a vid (wait ... GT4 gave you one, too, but that was earlier on) and that's basically it. In Enthusia, it's all about the KoTY-Race and #1, but I don't know exactly since I'm taking my time, heh!
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Just to say that if you win the KotY race you also get a vid with the game credits. A very poor vid, so don't expect much, but the phrase in the end of it fills you with hope about a possible EPR2.
 

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