Online Meeting (PAL)

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I cant remember racing you ever to be honest and I apologize if I got the wrong end of the stick and Famine was not in here at your beckoning :)
it's good to see you can actually reply over this situation because my disagreeing post prompted you ... but lets hear what you have to say about this bad UK connection :lol: is it the culprit after all or is Famine wrong on that part and clutching at straws for you? or do any of the accusations from all those members actually have any truth in them?

So many fingers pointing at you at the moment surely there has to be a reason why?
 
I cant remember racing you ever to be honest and I apologize if I got the wrong end of the stick and Famine was not in here at your beckoning :)
it's good to see you can actually reply over this situation because my disagreeing post prompted you ... but lets hear what you have to say about this bad UK connection :lol: is it the culprit after all or is Famine wrong on that part and clutching at straws for you? or do any of the accusations from all those members actually have any truth in them?

So many fingers pointing at you at the moment surely there has to be a reason why?

My connection is crap in fact if you have a look part(which a few people have) they have said i have had quite alot of lag with my connection and yes i used to race you alot when you were using the F40 online.
 
My connection is crap in fact if you have a look part(which a few people have) they have said i have had quite alot of lag with my connection and yes i used to race you alot when you were using the F40 online.

well maybe your bad connection is a problem you need to take up with your internet supplier before racing online and causing so many problems for you here at GTP ... I have never driven the F40 online so obviously you are mistaking me for somebody else ;)
 
Mr P - I wasn't defending Holden. I said that at UKGTP9, Holden caused no issues at all, but LAN isn't online and online isn't LAN. I don't reject the possibility that he rammed someone, though I find it surprising if he did.

What I was defending was the AUP. There is no reason to use GTP to host a slanging match. And that applies to anyone - had I seen Holden's signature referring to GTRP, I'd have removed it, as it's just as bad.


The "bad connection" seemed to be an acceptable reason for some people (sorry, Chadwick & Beerz) seeing a driver smashing into them on purpose and a video of that race from that driver's perspective showing that driver having very little contact with anyone at any time. And they were people I'd have absolutely no reason to disbelieve.


Nor was I here at anyone's behest. Next time I spot a situation developing out of hand though, I'll just click on "Infraction" like an automaton and have done with it, rather than talking to people. Rigid, fascistic moderation. That's the way to go 👍


There's no doubt that such things can quickly get out of hand, even if the actual incident was an accident. However, there are plenty of ways to get the truth across quickly (PS3 PM, forum PM, apologies thread).

And that's how it ought to go, rather than continually finding its way in here and watching people suddenly forget the AUP.


In many ways, this is why I prefer GTA4 online to GT5P. At least there everyone really is trying to slaughter you to death and there's no whining about it afterwards.
 
Can you point out all the AUP breaches over this incident please :dopey: I think not everyone has the full rules etched into their brains quite as well as some others!

I never breached it to the best of my knowledge unless not agreeing with Famine is a breach? :sly: .. but it's good to see that when someone does disagree with you then you come down with the rule book like some avenging God launching a lightning bolt at the mere mortals oblivious to every infraction :lol:
You need to lighten up mate and chill out with the high and mighty once in a while ;)

See ... I still never breached it unless you can find something :p
 
See what I mean about escalating out of hand?

I pop in here because some people forget that calling others names isn't acceptable, and now I'm some kind of dual-God/slave persona called to defend a personal friend (someone I met once - in other news, the Queen and Erin Gray are my close personal friends) - and I'm also angry and need to chill out.
 
And I said you breached the AUP... where?

I also don't recall you disagreeing with me in the thread. We both agree that it's possible Holden hit someone else in a race, that his signature wasn't acceptable, that all the insults levelled at anyone by anyone else are just as unacceptable and that Joey Barton is a bit of a prat.


The point of my original post was that, sometimes, what we see online is wrong - Chadwicks/Beerz/Captainslow proved that - and that insulting someone because of it is both a bit silly and against the AUP here. If we can all take that on board, I will retire to my extensively-elevated equine a happy little deity.
 
hi at all,

here is a video from a GTRP Member = Rammers & Punters !

and Famine, something like that makes me also very angry. :ouch:


thx to GridRacer-Kelly :eek: 👍 , GTP_Sjaak :bowdown: kain 👍 for this race. 👍 👍

also to all others today. i have one more movie with Beerz and RyanGee together, i will upload them later. :)


i think this thread need a splitt. :cheers:
 
And I said you breached the AUP... where?

I also don't recall you disagreeing with me in the thread. We both agree that it's possible Holden hit someone else in a race, that his signature wasn't acceptable, that all the insults levelled at anyone by anyone else are just as unacceptable and that Joey Barton is a bit of a prat.


The point of my original post was that, sometimes, what we see online is wrong - Chadwicks/Beerz/Captainslow proved that - and that insulting someone because of it is both a bit silly and against the AUP here. If we can all take that on board, I will retire to my extensively-elevated equine a happy little deity.


I never said that you had said I breached the AUP :sly: I was simply stipulating that I hadn't breached it! this was in regard to your way of dealing with these debates in the future as you so bluntly put it and I was just reassuring you that I never breached it is all :sly:
It comes across that the AUP is a weapon for some mods to use as a last resort to win personal debates instead of actual forum rule breaches! it's not really a problem at first when you put all your quotes and answers in a post but when someone posts refusing to agree with some of the comments .. then the AUP threats start to come out and it wears thin very quickly :yuck:
If the AUP was of such concern then you would have used it immediately instead of having personal opinions over the matter.

I'm happy to end it there anyway as I have no problem with you until you start brandishing the AUP stuff when it is not entirely warranted .. but if it is warranted! then please do it from the off I say and not as a means of getting the last word in :p

Take it easy bud :sly:
Ron.
 
I never said that you had said I breached the AUP :sly:

Ah, but did you know that I knew that he knew that you knew that I knew?

I was simply stipulating that I hadn't breached it! this was in regard to your way of dealing with these debates in the future as you so bluntly put it and I was just reassuring you that I never breached it is all :sly:

What debates?

I came into this thread to find people calling a member a "kid with no balls" and a "freak". Call me old-fashioned but that looks to me rather like personal insults and quite some way from questioning "in a semi-friendly manner".

Again, call me old-fashioned, but I rather think that people would prefer to be told that they're coming on a bit strong than given a big yellow card. So that's what I prefer to do. It seems this is wrong, so I have to use the second approach to bring my moderation style in line with what people want.


It comes across that the AUP is a weapon for some mods to use as a last resort to win personal debates instead of actual forum rule breaches!

If I issued Infractions for things which didn't breach the forum rules, how do you think the rest of the mod team would react?

it's not really a problem at first when you put all your quotes and answers in a post but when someone posts refusing to agree with some of the comments .. then the AUP threats start to come out and it wears thin very quickly :yuck:
If the AUP was of such concern then you would have used it immediately instead of having personal opinions over the matter.

And I did. Go back and look at my very first post in this affair. It is here.

I'm happy to end it there anyway as I have no problem with you until you start brandishing the AUP stuff when it is not entirely warranted .. but if it is warranted! then please do it from the off I say and not as a means of getting the last word in :p

I brandished it only in that first post. It was the reason I came to this thread in the first place - a list of personal attacks between members. And yes, I include Holden's signature in this, though it had gone by the time I got here. I posted to remind everyone that, even in here, personal attacks are not permitted at GTPlanet.


And now I find myself with someone I'd happily have at a UKGTP (and did) saying someone else I'd happily have at a UKGTP (and did) is a dirty driver, counterclaimed by that person saying they weren't even online at the time. You pick which one I should disbelieve.

Except I haven't taken sides - I only posted to remind people that the AUP exists in here too and that my experiences with the driver in question don't sit well with the accusation.
 
Phew, what a read! Where's the popcorn? ;)

In other news, good luck anyone racing at Suzuka 600PP tonight - ther racing has been clean as a general rule (at least for me!) but I've given up after the last six races all had host disconnects, and it wasn't the same person each time either. It's especially annoying when it happens 3/4 through the third lap, you've worked your way up from 12th to 2nd place, and someone who goes off at the back disconnects, as happened more than once...
 
Why don't you rename this thread "Online Bitching (PAL)".

This thread always has guests viewing it, and it does'nt come across has a friendly place to stop and chat. To be quite frank it's embarrassing.

I can fully understand the issues some people are having but can you take it somewhere else please.


Thanks.......
 
Why don't you rename this thread "Online Bitching (PAL)".

This thread always has guests viewing it, and it does'nt come across has a friendly place to stop and chat. To be quite frank it's embarrassing.

I can fully understand the issues some people are having but can you take it somewhere else please.


Thanks.......

Yay what a great name :dopey:
PM is a new spot! onwards!
 
I wont even bother quoting that last load of dribble ;) I said I was done and I am :)

be sure to come back with the last word .. it's what you do best :cheers:
 
The "bad connection" seemed to be an acceptable reason for some people (sorry, Chadwick & Beerz) seeing a driver smashing into them on purpose and a video of that race from that driver's perspective showing that driver having very little contact with anyone at any time. And they were people I'd have absolutely no reason to disbelieve.

The point of my original post was that, sometimes, what we see online is wrong - Chadwicks/Beerz/Captainslow proved that - and that insulting someone because of it is both a bit silly and against the AUP.

On that "CaptainSlow issue", my only intervention was to say that pehaps he was just a moron using a GTP tag. I never took part on that race or races.
And my reason for saying that was (apart that it could well be the case), that peson was using the GTP tag and was not registered as a tagged used.
I didn't retract myself on anything I said, nor will I now. Again, I was never inthat race and didn't see anything.

On the issue of bad connection and lag being the cause of many collisions and incidents online, although it is true to a geat extent, just doesn't applies on the cases I've witnessed, basically due to the actions themselves, and the fact that there was no visible lag (to an extent that could cause those kinds of misunderstandings) on said races.

Let's see an example:
When Suzuka had S2's and starts resulted on pile-ups on Turn 1 more often than not, Holden had this little 'trick' he used; according to himself, he was getting constantly rammed while braking for Turn 1, so he found a way to avoid it.
Quite simply, he "discovered" that entering Turn 1 with his white Evo almost at full blast using others as brakes and for a bit of wall-riding, he would 'avoid' being rammed from behind...
Like I pinted out to him, that was all very nice if there weren't other people on the turn trying to get by and being rammed by him and sent off the track.
That I've witnessed, he did it on 3 consecutive occasions, one of them sending a number of people out and leaving others trying to regain control of their cars. And off he goes, happy with his life, while others had their races ruined right there.

On the subject of defending your position in corners, that's not what's on the table here.
EVERYONE defends their position while cornering.
The case in hand is Holden swerves and swipes on anyone, let's say, on the back straight, because the way he sees it, he'll be behind that car on 130, and will have to brake behind that car for the chicane, and he has absolutely no way to avoild hitting any car that brakes ahead of him for the chicane.
Doesn't even qualify as an excuse, looks more like a 2nd grade essay, to be honest. (as if evrytime 2 cars brake for the chicane an accident happens...)

So basically, he has no problem ruining other people's races for the sake of avoiding some possible accident that most likely would never happen.
And he does it consciously, on his own free will, admits it on his posts, knocks anyone that says it's not acceptable behaviour demanding for evidence of said actions...

I really don't think the people having their races ruined by him or calling him out for his actions have done anything that bad, the reason those things were posted here is that people demand an apology and want him to behave from now on, it's not exactly bashing on a member or attacking him.
 
Now I'm back! why the edit with breach and you never even edited just the text at the bottom of the post? .. explain please :dunce: It just proves my point that it's all gone to your head :rolleyes:
 
Famine is your favourite colour purple :sly:

What a read, Any winners or losers?

Back to racing at SZK 600 if you want to join.
 
Now I'm back! why the edit with breach and you never even edited just the text at the bottom of the post? .. explain please :dunce: It just proves my point that it's all gone to your head :rolleyes:

If I was sticking by what you demand of me, I'd be issuing Infractions. Gone to my head :rolleyes: I've been a moderator so long I can't even remember when I started and I haven't even issued an Infraction in the last 2 months.

AUP
You will respect other people’s right to personal privacy and will not post any other person’s identifying information (including their names, contact information, and any other relevant information) within the forum but your own.

Beerz - As I said, if that's true it surprises me as I saw no evidence of that in 3 days with him. I don't discount the possibility, but, even so, it's not what concerns me. What concerns me is that members - even long-standing ones - think it's just fine to insult other members. It isn't. I don't care who you are or what the other member has done to upset you, but you don't bring it out onto public forums.

As far as I'm concerned, the insults that were thrown around were in breach of the AUP. Apparently I shouldn't have said that, or something, but just issued out Infractions.


Anyway, I've passed this upstairs now. I'm a little bored of being the bad guy for asking people to stick by the AUP.
 
That was the most pathetic attempt by a mod to flex his virtual muscles I have ever seen on GTP 👍

Breach that :rolleyes:
 
Why don't you rename this thread "Online Bitching (PAL)".

This thread always has guests viewing it, and it does'nt come across has a friendly place to stop and chat. To be quite frank it's embarrassing.

I can fully understand the issues some people are having but can you take it somewhere else please.


Thanks.......

we currently have 9 guest viewing keep it up fellas :guilty:
 
what is the point of arguing? some of they guys think he is dirty famine you think he is clean. famine if you don't want to believe them then that is fine. why not just agree to disagree? this has gone on far too long.
 
what is the point of arguing? some of they guys think he is dirty famine you think he is clean. famine if you don't want to believe them then that is fine. why not just agree to disagree? this has gone on far too long.

👍
 
It's good to see that other than the 9 guests we have other mods sitting back watching invisible Famine being the almighty ... way to go guys! deserving of your titles for sure :cheers:
 
That was the most pathetic attempt by a mod to flex his virtual muscles I have ever seen on GTP 👍

Breach that :rolleyes:

Flexing muscles?

Make your mind up. First you want me to throw the AUP card down the second I see it breached, then you want me to ignore it. Which is it? What DO you want me to do?

Why are you determined tonight to make me into some evil straw man you can berate, simply for asking people - not telling, not threatening, ASKING - to stick by the AUP and not throw insults at people?

That's my JOB here. Remember when you used to do it?


what is the point of arguing? some of they guys think he is dirty famine you think he is clean. famine if you don't want to believe them then that is fine. why not just agree to disagree? this has gone on far too long.

I've only said he's clean offline at LANs and that if he isn't online it'd surprise me. No-one's really addressed the issue that he says he wasn't actually online at the time yet.
 
I'm a little bored of being the bad guy for asking people to stick by the AUP.
And you're not the only one. Being accused of using the AUP as a "weapon" is possibly the most insulting thing I've ever read on these forums directed at the moderation team.

I don't see why we should take that sort of insulting criticism when all we are trying to do is ensure that people refrain from insulting each other on the forums. Frankly, what happens on the track should stay on the track. Bring it onto the forums, and you run the risk of falling foul of the AUP. Fortunately, most (if not all) of the current mod team don't think that it is wise or fair to issue infractions, where a little common sense and diplomacy can resolve the issue much faster and much more effectively.

Moderators have to get involved in these issues, whether we want to or not. The AUP is there for the benefit of everyone, but by definition of our role as moderators, we have to apply it when it is necessary, but also in a measured and reasonable way. To suggest that mods are using the AUP to suit their own agenda is a very serious insult, and I for one really do not appreciate it.
 
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