PS4 pCARS unplayable on a Dualshock??

Discussion in 'Project CARS 1' started by Lord Protector, May 9, 2015.

  1. MXH

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    It can be done, but you have to extremely careful.

    My steering deadzone setting is at 5. Will give your settings a try later.
     
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  2. vowcartaGP

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    I'm yet to work out if the problems with dualshock control are car dependent.

    Bare in mind I've always used dualshock from day zero through 4 generations of playstation console, but the open wheel cars have so far been no problem for me. Difficult, twitchy, care necessary etc....but just as they should be regardless of controller. But 2 laps of a 1972 Ford Escort RS left me nowhere, genuinely couldn't keep the darn thing in a straight line. For the record I haven't changed any settings.

    Might invest in the cheapest Thrustmaster, this game is probably the one that is worthy
     
  3. FuzzyFassbender

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    Ok, even though I'm only interested in using a wheel (Thrustmaster TX) I thought I would give a gamepad another go after hearing gamers complaining that they are having trouble. Sorry, with some simple tweaks it is very easy to race in Project CARS with a gamepad (tried Xbox 360 pad on computer), and this is coming from someone that does VERY LITTLE gaming with a pad. I had no problems controlling the cars. For testing I raced the BAC Mono on Willow Springs Horse Thief Mile and the Marek LMP1 on Le Mans - no trouble at all. I don't get it!

    Screen-shot of settings below...

    Note, I even started up my PS3 and GT6 (wow that looks dated!) just to remember what that felt like. I had much better control with an Xbox gamepad in pCARS. Without TC the LMP1 car in GT6 wanted to spin the tires much too easily. I believe some are so use to GT or Forza (or not use to like me) that they struggle with change.

    These will not work for everyone. It was proven during pCARS development that not everyone could agree on what the best settings were. Salt to taste...
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  4. Mr_D

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    My advice:
    TURN OFF soft steering dampening! It makes the handling so much more direct without beinf overly twitchy if you set it up right (turn up speed sensitivity)
     
  5. elmaso69

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    I found my Acceleration was to quick for me to control; PS4, I changed the accel/brake from L2/R2, to the right analog stick.

    You'll have MUCH better control with the ability to know exactly how much your putting down
     
  6. OooAhh Cantona

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    Is it just those 2 settings? Or did you adjust other settings too?
     
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    I finally had to turn on steering assistance:O. It's not ideal but it has made the steering smooth and the game playable for me until I pick up a new wheel.
     
  9. Tekku

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    Speed Sensitivity and Controller Filtering Sensitivity affects how smooth the steering feels. But it's also dependent on the car you're using. The RUF GT3 for example has very direct steering no matter what setting you use.
     
  10. Mr_D

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    Steering Sensitivity to 0
    Speed sens to 50-70
    Controller filter to 50-70
    and soft steering dampening off
    (and I have brake and throttle sens to 0 as well)

    Currently 44th in the time trial with the SLS AMG so it should work ;)
     
  11. dQuim

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    Turning the steering sensitivity down is a must for the DS4. Especially when driving the Formula A cars and even the Superkarts.

    It's a shame there are no slider settings for the TC, ABS and Stability Control. At the moment it's either all or nothing.
     
  12. Scaff

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    TC can be adjusted in the tuning set-up screen.
     
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  13. dQuim

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    I hadn't noticed that. Thanks!
     
  14. ironman44321

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    Here's a question.

    How successful can the game be if even people who regularly play racing games need to spend considerable time just getting the controls right? I have a PS4 compatible wheel (Fanatec) so I'll be fine when I pick up the game tomorrow, but I think people expecting PCars to be a GT killer are going to be disappointed.
     
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  15. FuzzyFassbender

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    Welcome to computer sim racing (pCARS - first console racing game giving the gamer more control!)... many gamers on the consoles were hoping for a racing game they could tweak and setup their way. Try Assetto Corsa, or rFactor 2, GSCE, or R3E, or... they all have tons of options to tailor the experience. Every previous console racing game masks most everything, they provide very little setting options. If the defaults work for you, your gold, if not its too bad. Forza or GT for instance, I can't comfortably play that with a gamepad (I need a wheel), I'm very erratic/inconsistent. Using an Xbox controller on my computer for Project CARS I can tweak until I can run lap after lap with consistency.
    I'm not saying you're off base, many console gamers have a hard time with options.
     
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  16. ironman44321

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    I wouldn't necessarily have an issue, I spent hours getting my wheel set up just the way I like it. But I don't think most gamers are up for that and I think it really narrows the games appeal.
     
  17. thegt500

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    Right, I've tried using the DS4 instead of my T300 to see what all the fuss is about !
    Yes, I'll admit its a bit of a 'culture shock' over GT6 (my only other point of reference for using a controller), but with practice and tweaking, I find it not as terrible or 'un-drivable' as some of the comments here. In fact, I find the cars in pCARS drive better than GT6's. In a powerful MR drive car (Zonda R for example), in GT6 I need TC and SRF on to control it. In pCARS, I can comfortably drive it with just ABS switched on.
    Plugging my wheel back in, the pCARS feel so much better over GT6's and again, I can turn off all driving aids (apart from ABS of course) as the feel of under/over steer is way more progressive in all comparable cars that each game shares. Heck, even if I use race tyres on the cars in GT6, its nowhere near as informative as the feel I'm getting in pCARS on road rubber.
    I think pCARS is a different beast to what's gone before for console racers, and it will take time and patience to get the 'feel' right for controller users, but also the devs will have to address this and make a patch to either 'fix' the controller issue, or add a detailed guide to assist with set up for both controller and wheel users as at the moment, all the set up options are rather vague for us mere mortals with limited knowledge in the finer points of race car set up to fully understand.
     
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  18. 2clicks

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    Here is my configuration:

    Throttle Deadzone: 0
    Throttle Sensitivity: 30
    Brake Deadzone: 10
    Brake Sensitivity: 15
    Controller Filtering Sensitivity: 50
    (You can go higher than 50, but I found this a good trade off between increasing steering precision while reducing input lag.)
    Steering Deadzone: 15
    Steering Sensitivity: 0
    Clutch deadzone: 0
    Clutch sensitiviy: 45
    Speed Sensitivity: 75

    I was infuriated with the way the cars handled at first, but after tweaking it, I found this configuration and it just...flows.
     
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  19. PiotrGT

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    I think "unplayable" is very strong word but it's harder than GT5 in my opinion. (never played GT6 exept for GT Academy Demo as I switched to PS4 after YLOD), even cars which i thought will be easier to drive were pretty hard to control (like Clio). I'm just casual player with DS4 though. (i can't really afford the wheel and I don't have good place to for it). I was tweaking pad settings, maybe i'll improve after some time.
     
  20. Scaff

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    Don't try and drive like GT when it comes to FWD as it simply doesn't work. Two reasons, the first being that GT has never got FWD cars right and the second being that the Clio Cup cars are dedicated FWD race cars and set-up to deliberately be very tail happy (just watch them race in reality) so you need to expect the rear to be mobile (and once you do you can use it to great effect) under braking and when you lift off the throttle if you are anything but straight.
     
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  21. DaveTheStalker

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    At what point do you blame the uncontrollable car on a crappy car setup and not because of a funky controller? Or vice versa? I hope SMS is working on a patch for the wonky controller situation.
     
  22. McKiernan

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    That#'s a good question, but I've read quite a lot of comments from people who are not struggling with a controller. This seems to suggest that it is not a case of a funky controller and more a case of bad workmen blaming their tools.
     
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  23. Sydbom

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    Yeah nice! Its like MR cars on gt6. Some people didnt think anything was wrong with them either.
    Well I bougth this game on xbox on friday and drove 2 meters before I went off! Tried everything for an hour, then I just wanted to return the damn game since I have never ever bought a game that the controller didnt work for! Unbeliveble!!
    Well, uninstalled it and reinstalled it and downloaded the patch again after 100% installation. That calmed the game down a lot!
    Now ps4 didnt have this überbug, but even with that fixed, there are three drive modes and only one of them is really driveable ( mode 3 ) and there are a lot of cars and some of these together with the wrong mode is still tankslap heaven! Why? Not bad drivers!

    The analogue sticks dont use all there travel! On xbox they only use like 30-50%!! And they havent perfected the stick too wheel translation you have to do to be able to have any sort of realistic control of the car with sticks.
    Its actually better to asign the steering to the d-pad!
    But still there is not a chance ti correct anything!
    Just like forza 5 simulation steering, the translation is to slow, you might have fast reflexes but the game only moves the wheel in a certain speed.
    But here its even worse since you cant drive smoothly.
    Well you can, I driven a lot this weekend, but its not fun or involving, only nervous!

    To those who stuck there xbox controller in the pc to see what the fuzz is about, well pc dont have these steering bugs ps4/one has, so of course you gonna think everything is fine!

    But at the official forum, the xbox owner are mad as hell! The game is broken! Thats it! You can still drive it, but its no simulation of anything.
    The patch thats coming will probably only fix one or two things thats wrong with the steering, it will most certainly still be impossible to drift!
    And as long as thats the case, this is no simulator!
     
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  24. MannYhAvitZ

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    I am a Dual Shock Driver and I have been playing some intense GT6 races online and I have been given the opportunity to race with different clubs here at GTP (A lot of fun)
    I have done some endurance races as well and I have done all of this with my DS3!

    Finding this thread and reading that some of the cars are difficult to drive it gives me a lil bit of disappointment but at the same time is a new challenge to conquer.
    Project Cars will definitely drive different then GT6 so there is no point in comparing them so I guess is up to us DS4 drivers to challenge our selfs once again or I guess we will have to finally leave the luxury of sitting on our comfortable couch and finally get a RIG!

    Either way we have a new adventure ahead of us :cheers:
     
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  25. Mr616

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    I just thought i'd throw my hat in the ring on this one. I to struggled with DS4 to begin with, and I also thought "i'm going to have to set the pad for each individual car" but that is not the case. My suggestion is to take a neutral handling car on track and set the controller to how you want your game to feel. I have my settings for steering (from memory) as:

    Dead Zone 10
    Steering sensitivity 30
    Speed sensitivity 50 (the higher the speed, the more steering input you need. To high and you'll understeer)
    Steering smoothing 90 (This smooths the steering feel on a high sensitivity)

    *all that above info was posted in another thread by another forum user that I found really helpful, but I'm unable to find the link now sorry.

    Now these settings depend on how you want the pad to feel. I was a GT1-6 player, and this gives me the similar feel. Once your comfortable with the settings start trying different cars. If any seem "hard" it is then the setup and not the pad settings. I've settled on these settings now and just alter settings on the car if need be. Steering rack quickness and tire pressures seem to be the biggest set up cure for any issues I then have with a cars handling. Give it time. This is not GT6. After spending a few hours tweaking pad settings, I am in love with this game. The feel, the sound... just incredible. By the way, there are many pad users doing very well in the time trials. Don't drive like you do in GT6. You will over cook your tyres and the car will not remain settled. Sorry for the ramble. Hope this helps some of you out.
     
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  26. RX-7_FD3S

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    The thing is why do I have to modify my controller setup to not have snap oversteer ? I'm playing RRRE on pad and got no problem at all and I never had to use any setup and I play it without aids as well. Sure it's hard to keep your car straight sometimes but you dont have stupid exagerated reaction. The xbox360 or one pad is the default pad for most people playing on pc and I can't see why they couldnt get it right the first time, especially with all the delay the game had. I finished the clio cup without trouble but the invitational, I just can't do a race without a stupid snap oversteer.

    They are working on it tho. Which is nice. By the time I'll have my wheel tho XD
     
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  27. CorvetteConquer

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    Soft steering dampening off is a good choice!
     
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    A touch pointless for anyone to try and say its the players and nothing is wrong when SMS have already confirmed that they have identified the issue and that a patch is on the way.
     
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  29. xEquinox

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    So I've put about an hour and a half in on Dualshock so far and I gotta say, I'm not experiencing any real issues with controlling the cars. After taking a minute to acclimate myself to the physics I decided to grab a very familiar combination, Formula A and Monza, and then really dig in from their. I had a BLAST. The steering takes a really soft touch, too much movement in one direction or the other and you're spinning. Anyone that says they keep spinning is probably steering while on the brakes, accelerating too fast out of corners, or any of the other general ailments that haunt people that try to push too hard. Just relax, take it slow at first, and let the game come to you. I started off zooming around Monza in a damn F1 car and now I'm struggling around Donnington in a Clio Cup car, that's the beauty of the game.
     
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    I don't know if this is the right thread, but I just started on the shifter karts, and it constantly stalls. I was stuck in the option menu for 15 minutes trying to get all the "required controls" figured out, and now I have no idea what's happening. I have it set on manual, but clutch is off. I can't get anywhere. I am using a controller. I'm I missing something obvious?
     
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