PD are you for real..???

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Stephen220378
When I bought Battlefield 3 I didn't expect to see any maps included from Battlefield 1 or 2, when I bought MW3 I didn't expect maps from MW 1 or 2 and guess what? they weren't in either game, so why do some people seem to think it's a completely different set of rules for Gran Turismo? It's stupid.
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Yes, but when something's been in every other game in the series, some backlash when it is suddenly gone is to be expected.

I'm still getting it, because it's cheap compared to games like iRacing and World of Warcraft.
 
Stephen220378
When I bought Battlefield 3 I didn't expect to see any maps included from Battlefield 1 or 2, when I bought MW3 I didn't expect maps from MW 1 or 2 and guess what? they weren't in either game, so why do some people seem to think it's a completely different set of rules for Gran Turismo? It's stupid.
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It's not like the lack of the classic Test Track is anything new. We've known about it since launch.

Cosbuster
Seeing how the game has kept me occupied for more than a year playing daily with just the original 50 euros, DLC pricing sounds almost like a steal.
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Time spent out of jail > $ spent on GT5 CE, and multiple DLCs

Seems like a no-brainer.
 
We don't even know all the details of what this DLC actually is do we? Hard to gague vaule if you don't know what the product is.

It seems like a lot of money for a giant oval, but I'll still get it. I'm hoping it has a few extra things that can be done with it, we will see.
 
The only price I've seen so far for the speed pack is 31 Hong Kong dollars.
Come on, kids buy candy for more than HK$31 every week, of course they can afford to purchase this speed pack... 30 Hong Kong dollars is like 3 Euros, or roughly the price of a Happy Meal on McDonalds.

Welcome to the real world, it consists of people who needs to work for money. There aint no such thing as a free lunch.
 
i'm f*kin rich, but i'm not buying DLC til the online part of the game works properly, and i'm going to try to not buy GT6 til it goes platinum.

Also I'm not buying new tracks unless the people i'm racing with can join me on them, even if they haven't bought it.
Racing alone is just driving!

The only thing that probably should have been in the game that wasn't at time of its release is the cockpit view for standard cars, which is in it now. That omission affected gameplay very badly for me forcing me to use bumpercam for consistency.
I wouldn't doubt that the makers of Forza laughed so hard that a little bit of pee came out when they first saw the state of the standard cars.
 
McClarenDesign
I don't remember paying for the 86 GT. Plus they threw in a Stealth car for free because I bought some of their DLCs.

PD is a business. Businesses want to make money for the products they produce.

I suppose you have a better idea, comrade?

If you want to relive the past without shelling out any money, go into the closet, dust off the old PS2, and toss in GT4.
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I can't find my PS2 in my closet I traded it for money toward a ps3 game so again I'm stuck but I can't y'all cause some people don't care for the past the want all new stuff but I like updating old stuff with a few new stuff but hey I'm different only a few would agree with me
 
Cliff notes- Nobody likes paying for DLC, but PD is pretty fair about it compared to other companies. It is also a good way financially for a company to continue paying employees to patch/support a game



As much as I hate paying for DLC as much as anyone it's unfortunately the way the gaming market works now. Some games came out using the micro transaction model, and where extremely successful and profitable. As much as I'm not a huge fan of this because I'm a consumer it works for the companies.

Also the fact that it does work for the companies also gives them a reason (and now with online gaming a means of distributing) additional content. Do I think that some games have things held back from the release to later be sold as "add-on" content? I'm sure some of them do this. PD is not a main violator of this though in my opinion. Also their pricing seems generally fair enough to me (though with the exchange rate I can see someone outside of the US being upset since their €/£/etc is worth more than my $). I don't however think most of the things they've released were actually held back from the release to later be sold, I could imagine that Spa, Route X, cars, etc may have been being worked on before release but I don't know that these things were actually completed by release.

My only other issue with this is the fact that for quite some time everyone was complaining and wishing they'd just release the game. They finally caved and did this (probably with a push from Sony. I'm not sure if it's admitted or not but on release everyone knew the game wasn't 100%), release the game, continue with terrific support in the form of free patches and some free cars, and we then complain about them charging for some DLC.

As if they came up with this on their own. Tigerwoods 2012 comes out to be around $110 for the total package (last time I checked), and that additional money comes from purchasing courses that are part of the season, so if you don't buy the courses you can't actually complete a season. Where as PD say's "here are some tracks and cars but you aren't required to have them to get through A/B Spec, they're just for practice/online/seasonal. Oh and for a couple months you can play the tracks in someone else's online room if they have them... and after that we'll throw them in some seasonals so you can still use them in a limited manner." Again, it isn't my favorite way to do things but they are being as fair about it as I can imagine a company being.

I do have all of the DLC to this point, and chances are good that I'll buy all the packs that come out in the future. I don't like paying for it (we would all love more content for the same or less cost) but paying for it doesn't only support them bringing out more DLC, it also supports future free patches and updates which again they've been terrific about (especially considering that it isn't a subscription based game).

Sorry for the long post.
 
DarkR
Forza 4 60$
XBL subscription 50$
12 car pack... 12*7= 84$

Are you happy now?
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Your point makes sence, but not to start an argument here but forza feels very playable to me without the dlc, gt5 gave me the impression of it being half a game, at least until the 2.0 update came out. Before this sensation of consoles connected to the internet, games were completed entirely and most the time, on time. Imho i rekon that developers are getting lazy and just think that hey, we can make big dollers on a half cut game cos we can always fix it later with patches and dlc.
 
QB1o
Also I'm not buying new tracks unless the people i'm racing with can join me on them, even if they haven't bought it.
Racing alone is just driving!
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Agreed. If they can A-spec it without buying it, they should be allowed to race it online without buying it. Explaining the restriction to those in the lobby wastes a lot of time I'd rather spend racing.
 
The amount asked to pay for the DLC is practically nothing.

For people with big flat screen TVs hooked up to high speed internet playing they're PS3s you whine a lot about a few bucks.

Reality check people.
 
I dont see how extra money for some content is bad what about world of warcraft they make you pay a monthly fee plus buy addon packs for much more than what pd are selling dlc for
 
My take on the DLC pricing is simple. If you bought the game at launch, and buy all the DLC, yeah.....it's a bit expensive. But if you're like me, and feel that GT5 is the best console racing sim/game ever made so far, and there's nothing even coming down the pipe that competes with GT5, it mankes more sense to spend a few bucks a month or couple months adding to GT5, than to spend $60 on a new racing game (or perhaps another console and a racing game) that you already know isn't nearly as good as GT5.

And while I do think DLC 2 and now DLC 3 is a bit overpriced by about $1 each, there are circumstances adding to it's value. Remember, GT5 was out for a whole year before releasing any paid DLC. And they've been adding new stuff to the game over that whole year, keeping it fresh for free. It's not like PD has been milking us. We're not talking about CAPCON here.

IDK, I just feel GT5 DLC is nothing but good. They've been giving and giving and giving to me for over a year now and not asking me for a dime. Because of that, in my mind PD has kinda earned my permission to now milk me. I WANT to spend money to expand GT5 instead of buying a new game that's not going to be as good, or waiting for GT6. Save GT6 for PS4. MILK ME POLYPHONY !!!!! So I can milk GT5 in return. Symbiotic in it's way, lol. I will buy every piece of DLC PD puts out for GT5.....at least any tracks.
 
It's actually a lot better than, say, World of Warcraft, which you rent instead of buy. Or, well, you buy it and then you rent it. If you don't pay every month you can't play. On the other hand, those guys have a huge customer service department so they probably use every dime they earn...

And while we're looking at WoW, that game has some seriously stupid dlc deals. Like buying a pet for €10, which is not even good for anything in the game except it's following you wherever you go.

sthnsn
Your point makes sence, but not to start an argument here but forza feels very playable to me without the dlc, gt5 gave me the impression of it being half a game, at least until the 2.0 update came out. Before this sensation of consoles connected to the internet, games were completed entirely and most the time, on time. Imho i rekon that developers are getting lazy and just think that hey, we can make big dollers on a half cut game cos we can always fix it later with patches and dlc.
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Oh come on, all games are patched these days, not because they are worse than the games used to be, rather because today there's a technology that makes it possible. Games has always had flaws, the only difference is that now it can be fixed. Back in the old days they had to release a new version (often called "gold" or something similar) when they wanted to fix something.
All patches are for free, so your conspiracy theory is not valid.
 
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PhillGuy
Reality check people.
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Ok, gt5 have a half less tracks then gt4..

And what did i get whit these 3 dlc-s.. nothing, do you now get my point, am i writing in some weird language..? gt5 is still incom'plete game..
 
sthnsn
Your point makes sence, but not to start an argument here but forza feels very playable to me without the dlc, gt5 gave me the impression of it being half a game, at least until the 2.0 update came out. Before this sensation of consoles connected to the internet, games were completed entirely and most the time, on time. Imho i rekon that developers are getting lazy and just think that hey, we can make big dollers on a half cut game cos we can always fix it later with patches and dlc.
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I think is exactly how they think now a day and I think the future gonna be even more based add on that just my prediction though
 
decho
Ok, gt5 have a half less tracks then gt4..
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Whats your point? I dont get it people labelling gt5 incomplete just because pd chose not to include all tracks from previous titles.

I will say this though there are other reasons why it was released unfinished
 
decho
Ok, gt5 have a half less tracks then gt4..

And what did i get whit these 3 dlc-s.. nothing, do you now get my point, am i writing in some weird language..? gt5 is still incom'plete game..
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So 25 cars and 3 tracks = nothing? What are you expecting?
 
decho
Ok, gt5 have a half less tracks then gt4..
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You can turn that around very easily: The tracks in GT4 are only 1/4th as detailed as the tracks in GT5. Suddently we have twice as much work put into the tracks in GT5 compared to GT4.

decho
From the start i was expecting to gt5 have more tracks then gt4.. not half less..
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Again, the tracks are a lot more detailed in GT5. Well, why don't we go back to the standards of, say, Indycar Racing 2, that way we could have MILLIONS OF TRACKS!

I guess, at some point you have to make a choice between quality or quantity.
 
sthnsn
Your point makes sence, but not to start an argument here but forza feels very playable to me without the dlc, gt5 gave me the impression of it being half a game, at least until the 2.0 update came out. Before this sensation of consoles connected to the internet, games were completed entirely and most the time, on time. Imho i rekon that developers are getting lazy and just think that hey, we can make big dollers on a half cut game cos we can always fix it later with patches and dlc.
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You must have either a short memory or not played a lot of games in your lifetime. Plenty of Sega Megadrive, SNES, PS1, Dreamcast and PS2 games felt half-arsed, unfinished or so riddled with bugs they were virtually unplayable, in fact I seem to remember Metropolis Street Racer for the Dreamcast being released 3 times by Sega because the game was filled with bugs and older copies had to be replaced and that's only one game straight off the top of my head, there were plenty more like it.
 
Stephen220378
You must have either a short memory or not played a lot of games in your lifetime. Plenty of Sega Megadrive, SNES, PS1, Dreamcast and PS2 games felt half-arsed, unfinished or so riddled with bugs they were virtually unplayable, in fact I seem to remember Metropolis Street Racer for the Dreamcast being released 3 times by Sega because the game was filled with bugs and older copies had to be replaced and that's only one game straight off the top of my head, there were plenty more like it.
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Agreed
There were heaps of buggy unfinished games in the past from the time of the genesis or even earlier
 
decho
From the start i was expecting to gt5 have more tracks then gt4.. not half less..
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Except it was leaked a few days before release that there would be X amount of tracks and what they were.
 
Again most of my opinion is in my earlier post. But in its heyday did Guitar Hero/Rock Band get this much flack for their track packs and expansions? Same goes for the Sims among others. I was reading a forum that was talking about DLC for Duke Nukem forever, pretty much everyone loved everything about the DLC and that game was like GT5 both incomplete and buggy (though DNF was far more buggy and less playable than GT5) the difference being that it's pretty much prevailing opinion that DNF is a good coaster to put a drink on but that's about it. But their fans love the paid DLC, GT5 fans have a really really solid title and every single time DLC is announced there are threads complaining that they shouldn't have to pay for it. Is it just GT5 fans that are like this or am i just missing it on the other forums.
 
A simple idea I wanted to add. Who will fund GT6?

Media doesn't get cheaper to develop as the years go by. Advances in technology force companies to adopt new ways of creating their products. PD is trying to give us bigger and better things with every new platform. More money is required for such tasks. They're still a business at the end of the day.
 
smyth
Again most of my opinion is in my earlier post. But in its heyday did Guitar Hero/Rock Band get this much flack for their track packs and expansions? Same goes for the Sims among others. I was reading a forum that was talking about DLC for Duke Nukem forever, pretty much everyone loved everything about the DLC and that game was like GT5 both incomplete and buggy (though DNF was far more buggy and less playable than GT5) the difference being that it's pretty much prevailing opinion that DNF is a good coaster to put a drink on but that's about it. But their fans love the paid DLC, GT5 fans have a really really solid title and every single time DLC is announced there are threads complaining that they shouldn't have to pay for it. Is it just GT5 fans that are like this or am i just missing it on the other forums.
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I'm only on GTP, but I've heard it's worse here than anywhere else. Few, but enough people, have literally and seriously bashed PD without understanding the amount of work that goes into every GT. FIVE YEARS to develop the primitive Gran Turismo 1 on the primitive PS1. It's not like Kaz wanted it to take that long.
 
another_jakhole
I'm only on GTP, but I've heard it's worse here than anywhere else. Few, but enough people, have literally and seriously bashed PD without understanding the amount of work that goes into every GT. FIVE YEARS to develop the primitive Gran Turismo 1 on the primitive PS1. It's not like Kaz wanted it to take that long.
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I got the feeling this was the case. If it got any worse around here people would be complaining that they couldn't play the game without having to buy the disc... or a PS3. It's just a bit weird to me. Again not to defend the business model, but I can't blame a company for using it since it's proved to be both successful and lucrative, and generally the fans actually like it getting new content on a regular basis.
 
be happy they expand the game, I more likely to spend 10 euros in 2 month on additional content :)
 
:idea:I have a suggestion to end these DLC complaint threads. Make GTPlanet a pay site with age verification, 18 and over only, problem solved. :cheers:
 
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