PD: Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Sampyla20plus]

I clearly remember people asking for more RM cars, now there will be more RM cars, and huge flameball appeared, why, because people these days wanted something for FREE, and oh man, havent we got a LOT of stuff since release for FREE ?? Name ONE console game developer that has done the same than PD so far, oh wait, AAA game developers offers only DLC, which cost you M O N E Y. And still making PD sounds like a monster when they ask few pounds for a DLC that has atleast 2 tracks, 12 RM cars and stuff.
I've seen alot worse DLC in my life, like S K I N packs for several games, yea, VERY VERY good DLC.

I understand people are whining when there is no "My aunt has a Koenigsegg and it's not in the game, game sucks"

or "Rain should be in EVERY track but I wouldnt ever use it online"

and "Daytona should have rain option" while we ALL know Nascar becomes cancelled during the rain, capish.

 

[Tenacious D]

Problem is people can't accept that and when you add in how much time PD had to make the game for the lamen who is just new to this. Then the enthusiast want to sling more mud at you. They'll low ball every other sim, but paint rainbows and unicorns when it comes to GT.

You act like you've never seen this for anything. This is the net. People have knock-down drag-outs over graphics cards and CPUs. Every game has its rabid fanbase that defends it, and fans of other games which will attack theirs.

I think you must have some kind of block going or do a lot of skimming. What most of us have been saying is, if you're complaining about the very same things ad nauseum for almost a year, what are you accomplishing besides starting fights? How does this make any sense?

People demand that Polyphony produces GT5 NOW before it's complete, and they complain that it's not complete.

They complain about GT not having damage. When they see examples, they complain. When it's removed for something stopgap, they complain.

They ask for weather and time of day changes. When they get it, they complain about it.

They complain that it needs fixing, and when it isn't, they complain. When it is, they complain.

They want DLC. When they get it, they complain.

When someone makes some post praising a point or five about GT5, someone has to follow his and complain.

Is this staring to sink in yet?

You're still acting like the whole freaking community wants to open a big can of shut up on everyone, and force the community to sing koombaya over GT5. Sure, a few have come in here and essentially done that. But you guys act like that's all EVERYONE does. I guess if I complain about the XP system, lack of A-Spec events and Race Moddable cars, I'm having a brain moment or something? Look at this post below.

My two cents about horrible disaster.
Yeah, it's sad. But i guess bus drivers and police and a lot of other folk just wasn't able to work "less", becouse of how sad they are. Is PD in that sence special?

Last time I was in a blackout, I couldn't turn on my computers. Kaz mentioned this as a problem, so evidently they don't have their own electrical company built for them by SONY. And you're ignoring the point of subsequently packing up and moving the entire studio hundreds of miles.

It's the refusal to see things clearly and making inane remarks which drive us up the wall. It's not "This thingie I dislike is an issue to me, what do you think? Shouldn't PD tend to this?"

It's "This thingie is a problem and PD are stoopid slackers for letting this game ship like this. Game XXX made a game from scratch that's a hundred times bigger and better in a year. And they won't tell me everything they're working on a year early! What's wrong with these idiots? That's it, I'm playing Madden, a game made from scratch every year that's a hundred times bigger and better."

This is humor, by the way.

I think probably nothing I'm saying makes any sense to you guys, so I guess I'll just let the boulder keep rolling downhill gathering moss...

 

[Exorcet]

People demand that Polyphony produces GT5 NOW before it's complete, and they complain that it's not complete.

And when PD says the game is ready to launch at any time, why not complain? Spec 2.0 should have been ready a year ago. At least. And I'll hold that position until PD gives a good explanation detailing why that would have been impossible.

 

[Tenacious D]

Gran Turismo's dad Kazunori Yamauchi has told Eurogamer that Gran Turismo 5 is "at a point we can release it any time we want".

"I want to release it as fast as I can," Yamauchi told us, "but GT5 for us, when you talk about its status, it's at a point we can release it any time we want, but we can always keep working on it. It's very important for us to make sure everything is done perfectly and everything is done in detail."

Why he said this, I don't know. It's a strange statement, especially when in a subsequent interview, he said that March would have been too soon.

I know that two big things were big potholes: developing GT PSP in the middle of GT5, and working on a damage model for a year or so that was subsequently scrapped. I suspect that SONY insisting on making GT5 universally 3D was another issue. But to be honest, I know of very few developers saying that they're having issues getting their game sorted a year away from release.

 

[DAIR]

I've been reading through a lot of the threads since the update & the amount of bitching & whining is just incredible. Everyone knew what was coming, so why so surprised?

What does whether or not we knew what was coming have anything to do with this.

Yes, we received news/details of the update. We finally get our hands on the update and decide to review it. What on earth is wrong with that?

People either like it or dislike it. Dont hate on those who arent 100% happy with whats come out.

When I heard about the simplified interior i wasnt happy. After getting my hands on the update I'm still not happy with the poor interior lol.

Users of this forum are free to express their views (Good or Bad). So perhaps you should stop moaning about those who moan (lol) and just enjoy the game!

 

[Jaywalker]

What does whether or not we knew what was coming have anything to do with this.

Yes, we received news/details of the update. We finally get our hands on the update and decide to review it. What on earth is wrong with that?

People either like it or dislike it. Dont hate on those who arent 100% happy with whats come out.

When I heard about the simplified interior i wasnt happy. After getting my hands on the update I'm still not happy with the poor interior lol.

Users of this forum are free to express their views (Good or Bad). So perhaps you should stop moaning about those who moan (lol) and just enjoy the game!

Not hating on anyone, bro. Merely observing the fact that whatever way PD turns, there's a giant flame ball coming at them. (Have you read the whole thread, btw?) People KNEW black interiors were what they were gonna get & when they got them, they moaned anyway. etc. etc. etc.

Oh, and for the record, I love the game mostly. Warts & all.

 

[Energizerrr]

There's a big difference from looking at a list of content written on a website and actually getting to see the content for yourself. Example.

Before Spec 2.0: "Great, basic interior views for standard cars!"
After Spec 2.0: "Oh ****, is that what they meant, that looks crap"

Hence the reason people wait until they see for themselves until they decide what they think about it.

But we had pictures of what we're getting, we knew how will it look like before 2.0 was released. your point?
And a few cars have a great interior.

 

[DAIR]

Not hating on anyone, bro. Merely observing the fact that whatever way PD turns, there's a giant flame ball coming at them. (Have you read the whole thread, btw?) People KNEW black interiors were what they were gonna get & when they got them, they moaned anyway. etc. etc. etc.

Oh, and for the record, I love the game mostly. Warts & all.

Again.... Whether or not they KNEW they were getting black interior is besides the point. We have the update.... And now we're reviewing it and expressing our opinions. I was surprised and dissapointed when they announced this poor interior and now I'm just dissapointed with it.

Good thing is that I dont have to drive in that view so it doesnt annoy me too much.

Just strange you know.... You have other racing games striving to be the best they can be..... Pitch black interior would never have crossed their minds.

 

[Mac K]

For the record, I used to play Test Drive Unlimited on the PC and it took 2 1/2 years to get our one and only DLC pack...

 

[DAIR]

But we had pictures of what we're getting, we knew how will it look like before 2.0 was released. your point?
And a few cars have a great interior.

Great? Its for from great..... Im sure none of use would accept this if all the cars were of that low standard

 

[Bushby_23]

There's a big difference from looking at a list of content written on a website and actually getting to see the content for yourself. Example.

Before Spec 2.0: "Great, basic interior views for standard cars!"
After Spec 2.0: "Oh ****, is that what they meant, that looks crap"

Hence the reason people wait until they see for themselves until they decide what they think about it.

What more couldve been expected from that, along with the mention that it would be like it was in GTPSP. If you thought you would still get more than that (exactly what was mentioned), then there is no hope for you.

 

[Jaywalker]

Just strange you know.... You have other racing games striving to be the best they can be..... Pitch black interior would never have crossed their minds.

Clearly a quick fix. What I also wonder is how big a team is working on 'evolving' GT5 vs. the team developing GT6?

 

[PantalonUK]

I think this argument will lead to the start of WW3. There are clearly two sides and neither will ever accept the others opinion as correct.

I am happy with the update. Heres what I think is the main differentiator in this debate.

This game even before spec 2.0 is a masterpiece in my opinion. The younger crowd might not agree, as some people have grown up in the 360/PS3 age. I for one grew up playing SNES, Sega Genesis, and N64. Just the fact that I can get in a car and drive around the ring at night in the rain and feel the vibration in my wheel when the right front tire clips an apex bumper, simply amazes me. That is why this game will always be satisfying for me, because video games have come a long way in my lifetime. To me they just keep getting better, like this update.

However to some that have been raised in the wifi age, it is a different culture. You expect more because everything around us is advancing so quickly. Expectations for technology companies are much higher now than ever before. I guess this is just progress, but rather than expecting it, I tend to marvel at it. When I was 12 playing mariokart, the thought of racing someone in another room didn't even cross our minds. Now I can play with people in Japan with a car Ive never seen on a track I might never visit. This is why I appreciate any updates to the game, because I am one of the few that is satisfied with the original product.

THIS!!!!!

All who are moaning about the game being unfinished, um isnt that a marvelous thing? We are still supported after a year and the game is evolving.

Evolution baby!!

 

[ghsnu]

On the risk of writing something completely off-topic..

You'll find the majority of people complaining are those that have never created or contributed anything creative or constructive for others.

They're takers rather than givers. So naturally, younger people are more likely to exhibit this behavior.

It happens to things across all media platforms and industries.

The uproar around spec 2.0 is exactly the same thing you'll see every time World of Warcraft gets a new patch for example.

I guess I'm one of those rare young-ins (16) who respects people and what they do .


I think the update is good. Perfect? No, but good enough to make me happy. With DLC coming in a week, I'll have some fun painting my cars and making my driver look like the (black?) Stig.

People just have their heads up high and expect everything to be top-notch, and when it isn't up to their expectations, they whine. Why they're still here, I don't know, Forza forums are a few scrolls down or a whole address away.

GT5 is a worthwhile game. Some see it, some don't. PD is viewed by those that don't as an "evil company" (worse than EA?) who is half-assing everything. The reality is- a small company who is recuperating after a major disaster cannot put something together as easily and quickly as larger companies like Activision. I've grown up with the PS2 and had a blast- even wishing for those great gaming moments back. People were a bit more respectable then- both online and on forums.

Maybe I just have poor expectations for games and movies....

 

[Jaywalker]

Mature & balanced response there, ghsnu. 👍

 

[DAIR]

Clearly a quick fix. What I also wonder is how big a team is working on 'evolving' GT5 vs. the team developing GT6?

One tiny step back imo.

 

[Tornado]

What more couldve been expected from that, along with the mention that it would be like it was in GTPSP.

They aren't like there were in GTPSP, because the ones in GTPSP were more than black silhouettes pasted on the bumper cam view.


That's my personal problem with them as they are now because I expected they would be HD versions of what was in GTPSP, and the way they are now basically makes it so I can't use them because they mess with my depth perception.

 

[Tenacious D]

Great? Its for from great..... Im sure none of use would accept this if all the cars were of that low standard

Well, you're wrong. Quite a number of the fans have gotten over the whole Standard car and track issue. Most of my garage by far, like 12/1 or more are Standard cars.

If GT5 had come out like GT HD as originally proposed way back in 2006? I'd still buy it. I took Forza 3 out for a run last night because I have way too much work to do before I port all that stuff over to F4. And... I really didn't like it. The car communication between it and myself is dreadful. I'm going back to GT5 for a while, until I have the many hours necessary to slog through the intolerable file loading bog of Forza 3. If GT5 wasn't out yet, I'd go back to GT4, Prologue and an occasional PC sim run.

Forza 4 had better be distinctly better, or it's my last Forza, or 360 game at that.

 

[Chad D.]

It's a racing simulation y'all. Your opinions have nothing to do with it. You act like you design cars, manufacture parts, or manage race teams. You're nobody but a dude with a playstation account. PD does their own homework with real people that are actually involved in professional racing.

I actually think our opinions matter alot, seeing as we're the ones who buy the game! (unless your just speaking about him in general)

Anyways, I have one simple solution to all the problems that the "whiners" are having: "Don't like it? GTFO." lol

 

[another_jakhole]

Standard cars rock my socks off! I've come to accept, appreciate all standards and then, only admire the ones that look the best. Cockpit view, I expected better than the black-frame interior, but it's so much better to me than using bumper cam.

I actually think our opinions matter alot, seeing as we're the ones who buy the game! (unless your just speaking about him in general)

Anyways, I have one simple solution to all the problems that the "whiners" are having: "Don't like it? GTFO." lol

Well, he means about actually creating GT5, as a developer, designer, engineer anything. They have the expertise and know what isn't possible and what is possible. They're the ones that have the kind of experience with video games and cars that's needed to make it possible. This situation is as simple as people just wanting to contribute because it's simpler to communicate now than ever.

last last post

*zoooooom* and he's gone

 

[cooperR82C]

I hope I'm not the only one that's actually happy with the game and how it has progressed. PD is trying and that's all we can ask.

Edit: On a side note, if you think that PD has screwed the game so bad that all you do is whine about it then just stop playing, it's just a video game.

 

[Rdp616]

Ummm... no. Have you ever experienced a disaster of that magnitude? My point here was that there are HUMAN BEINGS working at PD. People go into shock after events like this & its aftereffects. (Eg: The nuclear leak) They also could be from anywhere in Japan, so there might have been family that were affected or, worse yet, killed. Do we know if & how many people were granted compassionate leave because of the disaster? Think a bit deeper.

All I'm trying to point out is that there was an EXTRAORDINARY event that might have been a FACTOR in how things at PD & the game development unfolded. 💡

Umm, no. The Tsunami happend way after GT5 was out, so it had NOTHING to do with the development of the game...

 

[another_jakhole]

Both of you are wrong to assume. Although, it's more likely that nothing, besides the move to Fukuoka, affected updates, Spec 2, DLC and GT6 because there wasn't any mention about any problems. Plain and simple.

Still doesn't hurt to put yourself in their shoes. Japan is a small enough country for disasters to hurt a lot of the people of one of the most densely populated countries.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Clearly a quick fix. What I also wonder is how big a team is working on 'evolving' GT5 vs. the team developing GT6?

At this point I see spec II more of a test for PD to see how the fans respond on GT5 and thus make the right corrections so they don't go through this again and have a proper racer known as GT6.

 

[Tower Turn 13]

Gaming is evolving as any other industry does based on the way media evolves. The advent of the internet not so long ago is still having resounding effects on the way we view media. For instance, in the past this "update" would have had to come out as either a bonus installation disk or a "GT6p" or something like that, on a physical disk to be purchased at a game store. That was when media was primarily stored physically on CD/DVDs. Music, which was the primary thing going onto CDs, is now heavily a digital/stored media rather than a physical imprint on a disk.

It makes sense that GT5's evolution makes it not just a CD you bought a year ago, but that the installments of the series become less staggered and more of a continuum in which we can actively see PD's work going into new events and updates. We don't need GT6P the disk, we have "Gran Turismo" in general, and as long as the PS3 is current consul technology it will be relevant to its fans.

I think there will be and in many ways already has been a great migration this way.

I don't know what to say about the haters. Haters gonna hate. PD may have some backlash from those who expect magic instead of the result of hard work, but as a company they are absolutely on the right track with this one.

By the way, GT6 in my opinion will have as many "haters" as GT5 and its various updates. I'll stake some money on that.

 

[Jaywalker]

Umm, no. The Tsunami happend way after GT5 was out, so it had NOTHING to do with the development of the game...

Ummm... I know that the disaster happened THIS year & GT5 was released LAST year. I was referring to the ongoing development. (evolution)

 

[another_jakhole]

Ummm... I know that the disaster happened THIS year & GT5 was released LAST year. I was referring to the ongoing development. (evolution)

Exactly.
Not only the tsunami, but multiple disasters in the months that followed. I think saying it didn't affect PD at all isn't true, but if it were anything terrible that happened involving PD, I don't think they would have kept that a secret.

 

[skingg]

Remember Kaz saying if he was given the opportunity, that GT5 would be 'complete' if he was given two more years after the release of the game? Well its been one year and we have seen a steady amount of fixes and updates, albeit the majority came from public's feedbacks. I'm confident we'll see Spec 3 next year where Kaz is atleast contend with the game.

 

[Max911]

People bitching on the game's delays for release is what led to GT5's premature launch. Kaz himself said he wanted more time to complete it and, since he usually likes to complete a game and get it over with, he really isn't too keen on updating GT5. So mini-updates, though I appreciate them a whole lot, are to be expected.

I bet PD is still working on GT6.

 

[Kilvoctu]

I think this argument will lead to the start of WW3. There are clearly two sides and neither will ever accept the others opinion as correct.

I am happy with the update. Heres what I think is the main differentiator in this debate.

This game even before spec 2.0 is a masterpiece in my opinion. The younger crowd might not agree, as some people have grown up in the 360/PS3 age. I for one grew up playing SNES, Sega Genesis, and N64. Just the fact that I can get in a car and drive around the ring at night in the rain and feel the vibration in my wheel when the right front tire clips an apex bumper, simply amazes me. That is why this game will always be satisfying for me, because video games have come a long way in my lifetime. To me they just keep getting better, like this update.

However to some that have been raised in the wifi age, it is a different culture. You expect more because everything around us is advancing so quickly. Expectations for technology companies are much higher now than ever before. I guess this is just progress, but rather than expecting it, I tend to marvel at it. When I was 12 playing mariokart, the thought of racing someone in another room didn't even cross our minds. Now I can play with people in Japan with a car Ive never seen on a track I might never visit. This is why I appreciate any updates to the game, because I am one of the few that is satisfied with the original product.

You and me both, on all accounts.

Incidentally, I'm still used to buying a game, and that's it in terms of what I'm getting. It's great for me that games like GT5 keep improving after release.