photos from 2014 Chicago Auto Show

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Looking at these photos, I'm aware of one thing: You, @Doog , are an incredibly good photographer. The Viper shots are especially good, as are the rear shots of the BMWs.
 
This is why I shouldn't post when drunk. Both of your photos are good :).
 
These photos are stunning. I really appreciate how you managed to accentuate the cars' lines and contours, it just makes them much more pleasing to see. These are definitely among the best auto show shots I've ever seen.
 
The trick to HDR is to not max the Tone Mapping and strength sliders.

Please.

Just please no.
 
thanks for the words, and lol at mistaking me for someone else. I know I don't really post here much. here are some more

this car left a strong impression with me, such a beast. 560hp V8TT just wow.


















 
Look, I think you've got a good eye, but as another photographer, you need to not rely on HDR so much. Looking through your site, you have a lot of really well composed shots with excellent concept, but the HDR cheapens many by a great deal. They go from tasteful to tacky instantly as a result. If you feel you need to grab a couple stops worth of range, just reduce how you are handling the tone mapping and contrast adjustments.

You obviously have an idea of what you are doing if you've invested in a 5DmkIII and L glass, and you know how to shoot a lot of situations based one the event work, so please don't cheapen your work like this. Please.
 
I have a pretty limited understanding of cameras, but shouldn't you be able to un-HDR photos?
 
thanks for taking a look!

I do a variety of different styles, not only HDR. I do like HDR.
 
regarding why I use HDR, I will show you why - here is one shot straight out of the camera, with the 5D3. This is a shot anyone anywhere can take, with the 5D3 or any other newer kind of camera in that class. All you do is point the camera, and click.



Here is the same shot with my HDR process -



everything is fine-tuned in this image - it is a custom HDR setting of my making, it is further edited in Lightroom after that, and then it is tweaked some more in Photoshop. I like bringing out the detail, shapes, curves, and other things that are absent from the non-edited, single exposure shot. I could "go easier" on it if I wanted, but I choose to do it this way. Regarding whether its tacky or cheap, that comes down to the eye of the beholder. I know many on your kind of boat who loathe HDR generally and that is ok to have that opinion. My photos make the cars resemble computer renderings, that is how I choose to present them. The way I see it, this is my style, this is me putting my personalization into the shot - there are tons of people with DSLR's taking photos at the auto show, big deal. You can go online and find tons of images that look like the non-edited one, if you want. Again though this is really just a matter of personal preference.
 
So basically, because you don't understand how to properly manage exposures or dodge/burn, you lean on gimmicky feeling HDR that anyone with Photomatix can do in minutes?

Right?

It just reminds me of some kid who picked up a dSLR, couldn't manage to take compelling shots with dark room style editing, and so starting spot coloring and HDR. There are mountains and mountains of HDR that look like yours on Flickr and else where, it is hardly unique or distinct in approach or methodology. For instance, that highlight below the front tire with the Corvette is entirely the result of excessive HDR use. If you feel your work is just "point and click" without the HDR, then maybe you should consider using different angles, or shooting a longer/faster lens to give more pop... I suspect you're using F/4 zooms mostly rather than fast primes.

If you toned down the HDR so it was subtle, I would understand, but you dial way the hell up and suddenly things that the brain thinks should be darker are brighter. I have sprawling HDR panoramas that people have paid good money for, but they don't have the typical CG over the top mapping. Or do HDR selectively by processing the image, using masks, and keeping shadows somewhat natural feeling.

Go for it if it makes you happy. But most people with experience in photography will look at and write it off as just more half baked HDR to be "different" that just comes off as lacking in tasteful editing. You might as well just do selective coloring and masked blurring for "bokeh" as well.
 
since you want to talk technical, tell me how a fast prime would help me at an auto show, when I want to get the entire car in focus.
 
you are one of those snotty people on the internet. ;p

Sorry for trying to give you constructive feedback. Many people have seen your images and commented on the cheap feel of the HDR, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't being neurotic about it.

since you want to talk technical, tell me how a fast prime would help
me at an auto show, when I want to get the entire car in focus.

Well, an 24mm at F/2 will give about 10 feet of focus on a subject around 12 feet away. It also then gives you more control on how to you pull focus through an image, and you don't need 100% of the car in focus for every shot for it to be a compelling image. I'm assuming you're using the 17-40mm at the moment, which isn't a bad lens at all but it doesn't typically make for compelling images in these situations. I'd probably shoot an entire show with a 35mm and a 135mm and just work with those. You'd be surprised what constraining yourself can produce creatively, and might break the mindset you need all of the car in each shot, and all of it to be in focus.
 
Sorry for trying to give you constructive feedback. Many people have seen your images and commented on the cheap feel of the HDR
no problem on the constructive feedback and nothing to be sorry about.

where are "many people" saying my HDR is cheap? you are the first occurrence I've personally seen and I do look around and pay attention to comments. I would love to see, if you can link me.

Well, an 24mm at F/2 will give about 10 feet of focus on a subject around 12 feet away. It also then gives you more control on how to you pull focus through an image, and you don't need 100% of the car in focus for every shot for it to be a compelling image. I'm assuming you're using the 17-40mm at the moment, which isn't a bad lens at all but it doesn't typically make for compelling images in these situations. I'd probably shoot an entire show with a 35mm and a 135mm and just work with those. You'd be surprised what constraining yourself can produce creatively, and might break the mindset you need all of the car in each shot, and all of it to be in focus.
12 feet away from the car with a 24mm lens on a full-frame camera. Are you being serious?

I do know about closeups and detail shots, I just chose to mainly take photos of the entire cars.
 
no problem on the constructive feedback and nothing to be sorry about.

where are "many people" saying my HDR is cheap? you are the first occurrence I've personally seen and I do look around and pay attention to comments. I would love to see, if you can link me.

Well, Cano also commented on it. And I'm talking outside of the Internet. I am in an engineering and design program and many of my friends are also car people. The general response has been the HDR is over cooked.

12 feet away from the car with a 24mm lens on a full-frame camera. Are you being serious?

Quite. You could also just shoot with 4ft of depth from a closer distance or a longer lens and simply have the rear elements slightly fade off. It work stylistically and offer some distinction from kit lens setups that lack depth of field.

I do know about closeups and detail shots, I just chose to mainly take photos of the entire cars.

Well, get those and then try out detail work.

The reason I got on your case about the HDR is I was looking through your Chicago cityscapes, and I feel many would be gallery quality if you toned down the HDR.
 
My dad and I scored some free tickets from a friend who works at a Ford dealership. Planning to go Sunday morning.
 
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