And you have all failed to list a better alternative, that describes in proper detail, exactly what happened.
Since when does "burnout" describe in proper detail, exactly what happened? As Toronado said,
Toronado
First of all, tell me what you mean by burning out. Do you mean actually burning out, a little tire spin, or power oversteer?
Anyway, here are your alternatives:
high-speed oversteer/wheelspin
It's called power oversteer
if I turn and floor it in 3rd I can set the car sideways at 60mph and wheelspin the piss out of it
I'd class it as excessive wheelspin
And if those aren't specific enough:
4th-gear 80mph both-tires-spinning bouncing-off-redline powerslide
I never determind the car to be the 8-speed. You claimed "it must be".
That's easy:
I know you changed your mind later, but the fact is that the 350GT (which is the 6-speed manual transmission model in EPR)
cannot do what it is you're talking about.
Dare you to quote me saying I can't modulate.
You're correct, Deathclown. That's
1 misquote:
I can modulate the throttle perfectly fine
so, are you suggesting the normal car is a 4-speed? (4th=2nd, must mean, 8th=4th, right?) or are you so blind that you don't realize the car reaches over 100mph in 4th? does the manual reach 100 in 2nd? how about 3rd? who's leading everyone on?
And
you're the one complaining about people taking you literally
:
Yes, because I actually meant that he never, ever played it:idea:
Yes, that is exactly what I've done. A quote, please.
Here you go:
By the way, I was driving in GT4 this last time, and it did not Do that thing where it's kinda like power oversteer, but worse, but I can't call it a burnout, because that's childish, but now my post looks as stupid as you seem to think is more proper.
It did powerslide, but it wasn't "burning out", so to speak.
EPR did burn out, this is extremely noticable after the turn, when the speedo drop from up over 100, back down to 75-85. (depending on exit speed)
I don't know what a codemasters game is. sorry.
...Codemaster's games...(Colin McRae, TOCA Race Driver)
No, I said that your inept skill has caused you to be unable to control oversteering situations.
I believe Toronado is referring to the fact that whenever we bring up a flaw with GT4, you say that you've never encountered it, and attribute our "flaw" to our lack of skills. To be fair, this has been going both ways. It's just the nature of these things.
Quote that, you are unbelievable with this.
Perhaps Toronado meant this:
Wolfe
Enthusia's 'Ring laptimes are much closer to reality
Maybe for you, but I can take you to plenty of people who can't run fast enough with GT4, and people who burn real times by 10-20 seconds, like myself.
I'm pretty sure I know what you meant to say. That's
2 misquotes, just barely.
I did ask if anybody had any GT4 times, on N2's, where all 4 tires stayed on track for the whole lap, and all I heard was crickets.
You drive EPR to strict rules, making all 4 tires stay on track almost constantly, and yet complain when GT4 times are faster with only 2 wheels on the track. Yes, I find that double-standard very funny. and partisan. Hence, fan-boy terminology.
It's hard to catch
everything in this thread these days. Anyway, you said "to EPR's black flag rule" which I'm pretty sure isn't any more strict than the rules of the GTPlanet WRS, which has plenty of laptimes for various cars in various states of tune. As for the competition to those times, I assure you, you'd have to cut corners like mad to even come
close to the GT4 times in EPR, or use a much, much quicker car.
And where was that? that's how many misquotes? 5? (you made an assanine assumption when I mentioned the video, I never said anything to insinuate that both videos were real, and I am not responsible for your misinterpretation.)
Here you go:
Remember when I said the graphics weren't that good? everythings so bubbly, I can't even tell a Miata from a Suzuki Cap.
Yes, a miata can "power-oversteer" at 40-50 mph. If you force it. If you don't want to drift a miata, it is very easy not to. you can even go full-throttle.
A. You couldn't tell it was a Miata by looking at the real-world car, and
B. You couldn't tell that the real-world Miata was having no trouble drifting in the exact same fashion as the Enthusia Miata, with very similar throttle/steering inputs.
IF, you could quote anything resembling that, I'll bet I was referring to just "oversteer", and not power oversteer. that's 7.
The contradiction here merits mention despite the "power-oversteer" vs "oversteer" triviality:
I'm sure the same feat could be accomplished with GT4, the difference is, in GT4, they programmed it right, and the suzuki would oversteer due to chassis/engine layout, along with suspension, and in EPR, they did a burnout, because everybody knows 60hp cars spin like a top if you floor it mid-turn at 55mph. (sarcasm)
I really hate the way they claim "real driving physics", showing a video of two cars, one real and one fake, wherein it is quite clear that the real car is getting half it's oversteer from chassis, and steering input, and the game car is all from spinning the rear tires.
That doesn't even make any sense. You can't exclude steering input from the EPR drifting, because
it was being given the same kind of steering input. As for the "chassis" part of the equation, more commonly known as
handling balance, the car was going fairly slow for "half" of the oversteer to be caused by that. After all, you said yourself (quoted just above this set of quotes) that the Miata could be very easily controlled, even at full-throttle. Yet later you said the real-world Miata's drifting was "half"-caused by the handling balance.
Nope.
you're clip is just way to long, and I don't care.
Do you know why? Because you can't show me what happened when I drove the car
And yet you have still failed to better my terminology.
It's not just terminology:
the torque converter is a group of clutches, or "clutch packs", which simulate the exact same thing as a regular clutch on a manual, on the driver has no intervention.
most cars come with 2200-2500 rpm torque converters, stock.
What this means, is that if your current gear drops the engine rpms below that amount, when you press the gas pedal, the converter slips, increasing rpm, essentially the same as bogging a clutch on a manual. The harder you press the pedal, the closer to the converter limit, (2200), it will be.
Now, if you are full throttle, at 5000rpm, on a car with a 2200rpm torque converter, your transmission will not be slipping, the torque converter is past it's limit, and you are simply going 5000rpm, and it cannot increase that by "converting", unless it is broken/worn down/going bad.
Yes, 350Z's, Infinity G35's, and Skyline's have limited slip. How the hell do you think traction control works?
No, I said you are fanboys when you said I was wrong, and at the same time said you didn't know what I was talking about. If you don't know, then you can't know I'm wrong. That's partisan judgment.
I believe I already explained this to you:
I understand perfectly what the point of your message is. It's when you try to describe or explain something that things can get muddy.
Notice I even said
"can." We don't always understand your reasoning, but that doesn't mean we don't understand what you're
saying, or even what your reasons
are.
If I have, quote me insulting someone who had not yet insulted me Is that to much to ask?
Easiest one yet.
Anybody that claims EPR "more realistic" than GT4, needs to get 3 things: 1. A driver's license. 2. A car. 3. A road. After that, all the have to do is mix the three things, and they'll realize what a peice of crap EPR is.
So that's
1 or 2 misquotes, out of
20 statements. Not a bad ratio for such a convuluted thread. Anyway, I think I've had about all I can take from you, Deathclown66. Reading your hastily-typed and seemingly anger-fueled posts is hard enough -- deciphering or understanding some of the ideas that pop up in your writing is even harder (I still don't know what you were on about with "tirespin" and those numbers in post #177). You've proven that you're not the most reliable source for knowledge the mechanical components of a car, and your statements about the handling of a car are inconsistent enough to support your side of the argument in different instances (consider the Miata example above). You jumped into an Enthusia forum ranting about how much it sucks and were surprised when everyone lashed back at you (I can't say I've ever expected
positive comments when I decide to go trolling 💡 ), and now you're clinging to any shred of credibility that remains by flat-out lying as you attempt to shoot down Toronado's quite-accurate summary of your posts in the last few pages.
You can call me as many names as you like, but if you would like to say that I'm an unfriendly and unfair physics debate participant, you can save your breath, because that would be flat-out inaccurate. Friendly debates are had by friendly people, and Scaff, live4speed, Toronado, Hun200kmh, niky, and I, among many others, despite our different viewpoints, are perfect examples of how that can work.
If I, in turn, may be so brash,
you, Deathclown66, were resistant to contributing positively from post #177. If you were to never return to this thread, I doubt you'd be missed by anyone. You can chalk that up to "fanboyism" if you'd like, but it would still be a favorable outcome for the end of this whole thing.