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I'd put together a $1k PC before I would allow valve to build me one. Steam box has fail written all over it. No serious PC gamer would consider it, which slashes their target audience
 
Absolutely, but some people look for the no fuss ease a console experience.

Maybe just a "Valve Operating system" would be wiser, with playing/download of steam games and good/easy at playing media/blu ray etc.
IE, cut down operating system designed for playing game/media and runs on any decent home theatre pc.
 
That's basically what the Steam Box is. A no-nonsense Linux-based gaming experience with a focus on Valve's services, and that's about it. They have no need for an optical drive, and they could easily incorporate streaming services through basic applications. In fact, it would make a lot of sense to have them partner with someone like Roku to make it a true multimedia experience beyond games.

Given that Gaben talked about selling them at multiple price points, with variable power ratings and so on, they'd be able to keep people happy. Even better, you wouldn't be locked down to arbitrary hardware in terms of controllers, keyboards or mice. That alone has a lot of appeal to me, and I believe it would to an increasingly large number of gamers who want to bridge the gap between PC gaming and console gaming.
 
Saidur_Ali
Most likely given it is something targeted for netbooks and probably low powered ultrabooks and low end laptop market. It will probably be only double the performance of a netbook CPU which doesn't sound promising for a next-gen system if it is exactly like the PC version will be. I am hoping Sony do make a step up on this though for final version. If not it might hit the ceiling on what can be done on the CPU side regarding physics and probably most games will probably use GPU mainly for it, opposite in a way to what is being done currently on the PS3. GPU seems to be interesting though.
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I think you're going too far with "netbook." While it isn't exactly the cell or i7, you have to acknowledge its other counterparts, especially the GDDR5 RAM. A cpu like the Jaguar may not be impressive itself, but if you couple it with its proposed crossfire gpus and 8GB of GDDR5, which is overkill imo, the PS4 is just fine.

It is the same way the X360 manages to look comparable to the PS3's cell (which blows the 360's cpu), because the slightly better gpu structure in the X360 makes up for it.
 
That's what i want. just slide blue ray disc into drive and play game instantly. Without waisting my time looking new drivers, files. Just play like it was on psone and pstwo.

Btw i dodge bullet this time, hundred bucks stays in my pocket. :) No machinery no specification no release date just nothing.
 
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That's like giving an excuse for GT5's crappy lifeless engine sounds "you need $6000 dollar 7.1 theatre system man and GT5 will sound gooder (better?)"
Or "You can't judge sound quality on the your tube man, if you listen to the real uncompressed direct feed GT5 on your 7.1 theatre system at full volume, it sounds as good as the 240p youtube videos of real racing cars, or some game that sounds really good"
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So you think you can get a good idea of the quality watching a compressed 720p YouTube video blown up to what size screen?

I watched it on one of my gaming monitors and it looked like garbage (23 in 1080p; I could only imagine a larger size higher res monitor). All I could see was the blurry outline of objects. Then again, what I see rendered in real time on my screen in games looks completely different.


Also, don't respond to the second comment.
 
Zac007
So what do you guys think of the ps4 how's the graphics and gameplay? Haven't seen any videos yet.
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Outstanding for a console compared to current single-GPU PC's. However, still inferior to current high-end and multi-GPU setups.

But, time will tell when devs aren't focused on making a PS3 and PS4 version of everything and then things will probably progress further.

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Use YouTube for more.


Game-play and feature wise:


NO native support for backwards compatibility.

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-release-date-news-and-features-937822

http://www.gamefront.com/breaking-playstation-4-revealed/
 
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Sony confirms PS4's third party developers and publishers

Japan (45 companies in total)

ACQUIRE Corp.
KADOKAWA SHOTEN CO., LTD.
ARC SYSTEM WORKS CO.,LTD.
Konami Digital Entertainment Co., Ltd.
ARTDINK CORPORATION
LEVEL-5 Inc.
ASCII MEDIA WORKS Inc.
MAGES. Inc.
Bethesda Softworks, LLC
MarvelousAQL Inc.
CAPCOM
NAMCO BANDAI Games Inc.
Chara-Ani Corporation
NAMCO BANDAI Studios Inc.
CRAFTS & MEISTER CO.,LTD.
NIHON FALCOM CORPORATION
CyberConnect2 Co.,Ltd.
Nippon Ichi Software, Inc.
D3 PUBLISHER Inc.
O-TWO inc. (peakvox)
Dimps Corporation
PlatinumGames Inc.
Electronic Arts Inc.
SEGA Corporation
FromSoftware, Inc.
SPIKE CHUNSOFT Co.,Ltd.
GANBARION Co., Ltd.
SQUARE ENIX Co., Ltd.
Genki Co., Ltd.
SystemSoft Alpha Corp.
Granzella Inc.
TECMO KOEI GAMES Co.,Ltd.
GRASSHOPPER MANUFACTURE INC.
TOSE CO., LTD.
GungHo Online Entertainment, Inc.
tri-Ace Inc.
GUST CO.,LTD.
Ubisoft Entertainment
IDEA FACTORY Co., Ltd.
WILL CO., LTD
IMAGEEPOCH INC.
XING Inc.
Index Corp.(ATLUS)
YUKE'S Co.,Ltd.
KADOKAWA GAMES,LTD.

Asia (Four companies in total)

BLUESIDE Inc.
Ratloop Asia Pte Ltd
Red Hare Studios
XPEC Entertainment Inc.

North America (47 companies in total)

17-Bit
JETPACK Interactive Entertainment Ltd.
5th Cell Media LLC
Klei Entertainment Inc.
Activision Publishing, Inc.
Lab Zero, Inc
Armature Studios
LucasArts, a Lucasfilm Ltd. company
Behaviour Interactive
Metanet Software Inc
Bethesda Softworks, LLC
Minority Media Inc.
Blind Squirrel Games
Nicalis, Inc
Certain Affinity, Inc.
Panic Button, LLC
Darkside Game Studios, Inc.
Psyonix Studios, Inc.
Devolver Digital
Slant Six Games
Disney
Sony Online Entertainment LLC
Double Fine Productions, Inc.
Spark Unlimited
Double Helix Games
Spry Fox LLC
DrinkBox Studios Inc.
SuperVillain Studios
Edge of Reality, Inc.
Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc.
Electronic Arts Inc.
Telltale, Inc.
FarSight Studios
Tribute Games Inc.
Gaijin Games, Inc.
Turtle Rock Studios, Inc.
Gearbox Software
Ubisoft Entertainment
HB Studios Multimedia
vBlank Entertainment Inc.
Heavy Iron Studios, Inc.
Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Inc.
High Voltage Software, Inc.
WayForward Technologies, Inc.
inXile Entertainment Inc.
Zombie Studios, LLC
Iron Galaxy Studios, LLC

Europe/PAL (53 companies in total)

4A Games
Kalyspo Media
505 Games
Laughing Jackal
Abstraction
Ludosity
Beatshapers
Mediatonic
Big Ant
Milestone
Big Bit
Mojang
BitComposer
Onmi Systems
Bloober Team S.A.
Prodigy Design
Boss Alien
Ripstone
Bugbear
Roll7
Cauldron
Ronimo
City Interactive
Rovio
Criterion Games
Shortround
Croteam
Sperasoft
Curve Studios
Sproing
Dakko Dakko Ltd
Stormbasic
Deck 13
Straight Right
Double Eleven
Targem
Eko Software
Tate
FatShark
Techland
Flying Wildhog
Tonika
Four Door Lemon
Torus Games
Frozenbyte
Vector Cell
FuturLab
Virtual Toys
Gaijin
Vlambeer
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Wizarbox
Green Hill Studios

PS4 & Killzone Shadow Fall live demo to be shown on Jimmy Fallon Show this Thurs.

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On Thursday, February 21 “Late Night with Jimmy Fallon” will conduct the first televised demo of Sony’s newest gaming console PlayStation 4. On the heels of this evening’s announcement, Fallon will be the first to play the game Killzone: Shadow Fall.
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GDDR5 IS NOT THE SAME THING AS DDR RAM WHICH IS INSIDE OF A COMPUTER.

GDDR5 is strictly for graphic processing. DDR is for computational tasks and caching.

And for all of you saying that this isn't some big number because "my computer has 8 gigs of ram and it's so cheap"- no. Shut up. Stop talking. You are dumb. This is like comparing a toaster to your poor, hopeless soul.

The reason this number is significant is because high end GPU's for PC's have between about 2-4GB of GDDR5 RAM (My system has 3GB of GDDR5.

Nvidia will be releasing a new GPU called Titan soon (probably months and months before PS4) that has 6GB of GDDR5. This card is being called a "super computer GPU". Which is still 2GB less than the PS4. That is why that number is an industry leader.

However, there are people currently out there who have 8GB or more of GDDR5 RAM on their pc's, but this involves multiple GPU's being run in SLI/Crossfire.
 
Doesn't support older systems' games the appropriate way (which would be using the disc), and after the PS3's launch range turned out to be cereal box fodder, they need all the help they can get to make sure it doesn't happen again. Control of the system should lie with the user, not with Sony having the power to take games away from people on a whim.

Any word on the used games situation/did they accidentally go with the lock out system?
 
RTSolvalou
Any word on the used games situation/did they accidentally go with the lock out system?
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Used games work just fine...despite what ranters in comments sections tell you

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...gamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games

neema_t
I wonder how the established YouTubers feel about the fact that it won't take an expensive HDPVR or graphics card to upload video now, they could all be out of a job...
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they made no mention of youtube capability, in fact the share feature seems to be PS4-native, only viewable between friends on PS4, sort of like the video sharing in the Skate series, you can view them but still need a capture device to export from the system.
 
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they made no mention of youtube capability, in fact the share feature seems to be PS4-native, only viewable between friends on PS4, sort of like the video sharing in the Skate series, you can view them but still need a capture device to export from the system.
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They have a partnership with Ustream. Ustream allows people to convert their saved videos to YT.
 
seriouswapanese
GDDR5 IS NOT THE SAME THING AS DDR RAM WHICH IS INSIDE OF A COMPUTER.

GDDR5 is strictly for graphic processing. DDR is for computational tasks and caching.

And for all of you saying that this isn't some big number because "my computer has 8 gigs of ram and it's so cheap"- no. Shut up. Stop talking. You are dumb. This is like comparing a toaster to your poor, hopeless soul.

The reason this number is significant is because high end GPU's for PC's have between about 2-4GB of GDDR5 RAM (My system has 3GB of GDDR5.

Nvidia will be releasing a new GPU called Titan soon (probably months and months before PS4) that has 6GB of GDDR5. This card is being called a "super computer GPU". Which is still 2GB less than the PS4. That is why that number is an industry leader.

However, there are people currently out there who have 8GB or more of GDDR5 RAM on their pc's, but this involves multiple GPU's being run in SLI/Crossfire.
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One, watch the attitude.

Two, don't double post.
 
seriouswapanese
GDDR5 IS NOT THE SAME THING AS DDR RAM WHICH IS INSIDE OF A COMPUTER.

GDDR5 is strictly for graphic processing. DDR is for computational tasks and caching.

And for all of you saying that this isn't some big number because "my computer has 8 gigs of ram and it's so cheap"- no. Shut up. Stop talking. You are dumb. This is like comparing a toaster to your poor, hopeless soul.
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Tone done the attitude, you won't last long here.
 
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seriouswapanese
GDDR5 IS NOT THE SAME THING AS DDR RAM WHICH IS INSIDE OF A COMPUTER.

GDDR5 is strictly for graphic processing. DDR is for computational tasks and caching.

And for all of you saying that this isn't some big number because "my computer has 8 gigs of ram and it's so cheap"- no. Shut up. Stop talking. You are dumb. This is like comparing a toaster to your poor, hopeless soul.

The reason this number is significant is because high end GPU's for PC's have between about 2-4GB of GDDR5 RAM (My system has 3GB of GDDR5.

Nvidia will be releasing a new GPU called Titan soon (probably months and months before PS4) that has 6GB of GDDR5. This card is being called a "super computer GPU". Which is still 2GB less than the PS4. That is why that number is an industry leader.

However, there are people currently out there who have 8GB or more of GDDR5 RAM on their pc's, but this involves multiple GPU's being run in SLI/Crossfire.
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Crossfire your GPU's and you still have the same amount it GRAM, they can't share their GRAM.

PS4 is not your average computer made of computer shop components, if they want to make 8GB GDDR5 and share it between CPU and GPU, Can't imagine why they could not.

GDDR is RAM which stores things just like DDR, mostly it("G") would imply that the ram is stable at high speeds and bandwidth which a graphics processor requires.
Typically computers motherboards are not designed to run GDDRx architecture and CPU's typically don't need that anyway.
 
seriouswapanese
You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack any individual or any group.

don't threaten me please, it's against the TOS.
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Sorry about that, I was way out of line. May you link me to the rules of this forum? I'm not sure what they are.
 
I don't understand why some are criticising the lack of showing from the what the actual console looks like. This was an entree before E3. To build up hype and attention for the PS4 for when E3 comes around. If you think about, Sony's decision is a smart and clever one as it tries to maximise potential customers and gamers for it has to offer.

Anyhow, from the initial presentation and videos it does seem the PS4 will be breathtaking.
 
RTSolvalou
Doesn't support older systems' games the appropriate way (which would be using the disc), and after the PS3's launch range turned out to be cereal box fodder, they need all the help they can get to make sure it doesn't happen again. Control of the system should lie with the user, not with Sony having the power to take games away from people on a whim.
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The reason there won't be built in backwards compatibility is because the system won't be using the outgoing Cell architecture anymore (they are going with an AMD x86 one).

Forcing old components from 3 different systems into the new hardware is not good business. Also, that just adds unneeded production expenses that not only Sony has to deal with, but ultimately we suffer for.

And eventually, those old libraries will be playable on the new console, via their Cloud based service (Gakai, I think it's called). So all is not lost. But I know for sure I'm not buying a PS4 so I can play PS1 games on it...

...but that's just me.
 
seriouswapanese
https://www.gtplanet.net/aup/

you're welcome.
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Hey!

I had to reread these rules a few times to understand them (I'm a late bloomer) and by my calculations you were actually breaking them yourself!
You were referring to people on this forum as "dumb" and that certain ones had a "hopeless soul" for not being as smart as you are.

If you were to continue, it's possible you may be bann-ed.

Please don't let that happen!

i.e. you won't last long.
 
I am quite disapointed in Sony. I mean, the shown games are looking very good. The graphical jump just looks like expected it to be.

But in my eyes, Microsoft will deliver a better presentation with ease. Showing all the games so early might not have been such a good idea. Killzone wont have the wow effect at E3 anymore, because we then already saw stuff like this back in february.

I hope they will have a bit more for us at E3. Otherwise I am not very confident in the line up against Microsoft. It is just sad, when you see that they fail at the little things.

Drive Club doesnt look that much better than other racing titles at the moment. And when Sony will postpone GT6 in late 2014, they will let Turn 10 gather racing fans with FM 5 just so.
 

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