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More specs

Main Processor Single-chip custom processor
CPU : x86-64 AMD “Jaguar”, 8 cores
GPU : 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD next-generation Radeon™ based
graphics engine
Memory GDDR5 8GB
Hard Disk Drive Built-in
Optical Drive
(read only)
BD 6xCAV
DVD 8xCAV
I/O Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0) 、AUX
Communication Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)
IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth® 2.1 (EDR)
AV output HDMI
Analog-AV out
Digital Output (optical)

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/130221a_e.pdf
Seems a bit disappointing about the specifications but could be worse. Could be Sony also playing a blinder on Microsoft too but that might too much optimism, we will see.

This part keeps it interesting until final release:
"*Specifications are subject to change without notice."

They seem to be saying a lot of information early on also given that Kaz Hirai recently said this, “Why go first when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?"

It must be a strange time for AMD knowing a lot about both systems but not allowing them directly know which one is better.

Anyway we will only know how good this system will be in probably E3, by then pricing and also their competitor product should be announced. Liking the live game streaming feature and everything seems very well integrated, file management looks to go a step above what I was even expecting.
 
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Yea man this whole console argument is stupid. If anyone only limits themselves to one piece of hardware they should never consider themselves a gamer. You would be missing at least 50% of what is out there. It is unfortunate the business runs this way but that is how money is made. I have all three, Xbox, PS and PC. I only with i had the time to play now days.

Well I can definitely call myself a gamer,

Black Edition Wii, PS3, Xbox Elite, Laptop, Server, Original Xbox, 2 Ps2 Slims, My original PSone is still about somewhere, got my Androids as well.

Constantly gaming, and I never will stop. :D
 
Ya bro... looks no better than GT5. :rolleyes:

I swear some of you play GT5 with "HD vision" glasses that provide you a false sense of reality.

But this isn't the GT5 vs Drive Club thread.

Love the low blow to Forza though; obviously you're a fan boy.
Sure the lighting of the trailer is better and more interesting/pretty/highly contrasted than GT5.
Gran turismo has always had the more bland/ less pretty lighting of any racing game.
In a lot of places GT5 can look like crap(the tracks) but the premium cars are pretty darn tidy.


I was looking at the part where they show us the "details" of the carbon fiber, headlights and seats, they looked terrible blurry and blocky, seriously.

Anyway it's not about gt5 vs drive club, it's about expectation of graphics quality step up from PS3 to PS4.

I don't want to see muddy graphics where fabrics are one single colour with various dirt splotches, I want to see the weave and fibers and the way that plays with the highlights and reflections.
Certainly I don't want to see any polygons or 2D billboard trees in the distance covering up the horizon.


I make my money creating 3d content and selling render's to clients, I know what I'm looking at and am sick to death of muddy textures, flat lighting, overblown contrast, overblown bloom used to cover lack of detail and singular colour schemes (brown/grey) used to bring everything together.

We shouldn't need to see overused effects in place to cover up lack of detail.

GT5 photomode is what we should expect from a PS4 car graphics. The lighting is crisp, clean and the models hold up at almost any level (well the environments/people need to be improved to the level of the car models)
 
I wonder how the established YouTubers feel about the fact that it won't take an expensive HDPVR or graphics card to upload video now, they could all be out of a job...

Good riddance; the majority of them are annoying, should not be posting videos because they are terrible, or both.

R.S
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Well, we won't mention anything about the aliasing, smoke, lack of detail even on "premiums," AI fields with 1/4-1/2 of those being "standards," terrible environmental quality on tracks, frame rate drops during weather, etc. etc. etc.

Not everything is the poly count on the car alone....
 
I'm straddling the fence on the share button. On the one side, I can finally share awesome moments with friends online and family members.

On the other hand, the internet is about to become packed with ****.

To be fair, it wouldn't be that much different then it is now.


I wonder how the established YouTubers feel about the fact that it won't take an expensive HDPVR or graphics card to upload video now, they could all be out of a job...

Thats assuming the upload feature isn't again the old "30 seconds at a time" scheme that for instance Codemasters and Eutechnyx have done the last few years.
 
Seems a bit disappointing about the specifications but could be worse. Could be Sony also playing a blinder on Microsoft too but that might too much optimism, we will see.

This part keeps it interesting until final release:
"*Specifications are subject to change without notice."

They seem to be saying a lot of information early on also given that Kaz Hirai recently said this, “Why go first when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?"

The basic specifications won't change now, but I don't see anything too disappointing there. Could you elaborate on what it is exactly you find disappointing?
 
Well, we won't mention anything about the aliasing, smoke, lack of detail even on "premiums," AI fields with 1/4-1/2 of those being "standards," terrible environmental quality on tracks, frame rate drops during weather, etc. etc. etc.

Not everything is the poly count on the car alone....

Don't read anything about what I said....
 
I'm straddling the fence on the share button. On the one side, I can finally share awesome moments with friends online and family members.

On the other hand, the internet is about to become packed with ****.

It isn't already? Look at the bright side, though. At least they wont be able to plaster awful music over the top of it :lol:

Share button is a great, great idea. "Lets play" is huge on youtube and this will probably take it to the next level

Seems a bit disappointing about the specifications but could be worse.

The 8GB DDR5 didnt get you excited?

R.S.
GT5 photomode is what we should expect from a PS4 car graphics. The lighting is crisp, clean and the models hold up at almost any level (well the environments/people need to be improved to the level of the car models)

Did you play Midnight Club Street Racing on PS2? The launch title? It looked like a high res PS1 game. It looked horrendous compared to GT3 which was released 7 months later. I wouldnt judge PS4's graphics performance over one game.
 
The basic specifications won't change now, but I don't see anything too disappointing there. Could you elaborate on what it is exactly you find disappointing?
It might change for the better still. The main disappointing part is the use of Jaguar cores, I suppose it will help with thermals though.

The 8GB DDR5 didnt get you excited?
That was sort of expected given all the rumours about it. It is good to see it announced.
 
R.S
Don't read anything about what I said....

The part where you say the game has poor quality visuals after watching it on a low quality stream?

Or the part where we are talking about gameplay and you can't fit that power in a $300 console?
 
It might change for the better still. The main disappointing part is the use of Jaguar cores, I suppose it will help with thermals though.

Does this mean the processor is a bit rubbish? I'm not that well educated on computer specs.
 
It's stupid but it's fun that's why it happens. Competition thing to mess with your friends with. It is funny since we have no control over what they decide to make.

I don't see how it is fun at all. Competition between corporations is better for the consumer. Competition between the consumer is always better for the corporations.

If anything the gaming industry is taking a downturn with consoles that are not that advanced in terms of hardware and paying off developers to have exclusive games that cost way too much money for what they are worth. What is going to happen soon is that games will only be available for purchase in digital form so used copies will be non existent. This will ensure they get maximum profit. Not everyone can afford this. People will be more and more limited to what they can experience and they will argue about what to spend their money on. This puts the consumer in competition not the corporations. This is like marketing 101.

Does this mean the processor is a bit rubbish? I'm not that well educated on computer specs.

It's a good processor but not that impressive compared to pc gaming. Although it is understandable since they have to make the console at a reasonable price for most people to afford.
 
So how was this PSN voucher given? I'm in North America and can't find it, but not a huge deal if its not there.
 
My thoughts on the whole thing:

Hardware Specs - Sound good to me, but this whole "play games anywhere and everywhere" seems like productivity around the world is about to hit an all time low.

DS4 - Possibilities... but I really hope the price of the controller doesn't go up.

Square Enix - Are they making movies yet?

MiniMolecule - DAMN YOU STREAM, STOP PAUSING DURING THE (potentially) GOOD STUFF.

Drive Club - So this is what it sounds like when someone inhales after holding their breath for 10 years. Really wasn't much to announce.

Blizzard - I laughed when he asked how everyone was doing and got no response. His jokes got a few laughs... and then he announces that they were looking at what franchise might work on the PS. I'm thinking "Starcraft FPS? Warcraft RPG? . . . DIRECT PORT OF DIABLO III???" He couldn't get off the stage fast enough after that.

Square Enix - Seriously, are you making movies yet?

Capcom - Focus on Street Fighter, always go with Street Fighter. Don't start off by disappointing us with saying "I'm not here to talk about Street Fighter".

inFamous: Second Son - This wasn't a Sony press conference at all! This was all just a ploy to instill more paranoia in us! Oh wait, he's introducing a game now? False alarm.

The Witness - One of the more interesting games announced, to be honest. Thank goodness for indie's and small dev's! Although his description of the game had me thinking something much darker than the bright and colorful aesthetic the game ended up being.

Watch Dogs - Back to instilling paranoia! Oh wait, they're talking about a game again. So is this Batman: Arkham Asylum but in a trench coat?

Killzone: Shadowfall - Never really thought much of Killzone, but this looks pretty cool I guess.

Activision - Way to end this strong Sony!

Bungie - Well now, sorry to judge Activision so quickly. This conference was looking pretty good for the PS4 until they announced Destiny would also be available on the PS3.

No GT - Can't say I'm surprised, E3 here we come! GT, it's up to you on whether or not I buy a PS4! Come through for me!
 
To be fair, it wouldn't be that much different then it is now.

It isn't already? Look at the bright side, though. At least they wont be able to plaster awful music over the top of it :lol:

Share button is a great, great idea. "Lets play" is huge on youtube and this will probably take it to the next level

When I meant even more, I meant even more. To the point where we'll be cherishing a few clips with badly edited music playing over the top.

But I won't complain too much, since I'll most likely help contribute to it. Assuming this share feature doesn't end up becoming complete crap in most games.

No GT shown, not surprising.

Why would PD show GT Vita at a PS4 announcement anyway?

:lol:

Well, according to the conference, there will no longer be a difference between the two!
 
The entire presentation was a very interesting move by Sony. By most sense of measure, the right time to release the information on the console would have been in June at E3. Opting for their own show ahead of time plays very strangely, as I am not entirely sure what the benefit was. All of that being said, however, I walked out with some pretty important questions...

First of all, it sounds as though they're really leveraging their system on the network. From background pre-downloads of things you're interested in, social sharing of your gameplay, a heavy emphasis on multiplayer, and streaming content of games to any device, as well as backwards capability... Wow, you'd better hope your ISP hasn't put usage limits on your home account. Heavy usage still isn't in wide acceptance, and unless you're on Google Fiber, my guess is that things won't move too smoothly, either. If the demands of the average consumer are pushed with something like the PS4, perhaps, maybe the greedy folks at Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, Verizon, AT&T, and so on will get on the ball and give us the speeds we pay for...

Very little was said about two other major components of the hardware, in particular the hard drive and disc format. This would lead me to believe that Sony is really looking to move toward digital content, exclusively. Be it downloading movies, games, music or whatever else, physical media is going to eventually fall by the wayside. That would definitely mean that we'd need some pretty heavy-duty drives to handle that much content. Anything less than 250 GB would be unacceptable today. Less than 500 GB might not be enough if things go the way they're talking. I'd have to expect at least a 1TB drive. Whether or not it'll be hybrid SDD-HDD, that'll remain to be seen.

As for optical drives, they made a good point on TWiT today. Sony hedged a lot of bets with the PS3 in terms of HD content. Between pushing for the 1080p standard, Blu-Ray technology, and 3D formats, the PS3 helped push demands of consumers, and it helped sell some of their own TV sets. With Sony diving so deep into 4K, would it be entirely outrageous to assume that the PS4 wouldn't do the same thing? For that matter, what about RED Ray? Or, are they trying to avoid yet another format war with Microsoft and everyone else?


As they learned in this generation, if you don't have the games or the perceived exclusivity with some titles, you're not going to sell the consoles like Microsoft did. What they showed off, at the very least, looks like the kind of content that can move stuff quickly. Obviously, E3 will shove a lot more out of the door. Their partnership with Activision in regard to Destiny seemed like a HUGE middle-finger to Microsoft, however. Exclusive content, or at least, content that shows up more quickly, was a big help in the success of the 360. Turning it around on them is pretty ironic.


Any way we want to turn it, the ball is back in Microsoft's court. With so many rumors pushing toward the idea of an "entertainment console," it's hard telling what exactly that would mean in terms of gaming. Pushing Kinect 2 seems like a smart move now that we have seen that Move remains a part of Sony's strategy. Staying the course with XBL seems to be directing Sony's strategy, so, full-steam-ahead on that. It'll likely boil down to hardware, and assuming they stick with mostly PC-based design like they did shouldn't put them too far behind the PS4.

My only assumption is that this next generation will be less about hardware specs and more about the ecosystem that they create. Microsoft, give or take, has a very strong presence online in regard to multimedia partnerships and exclusive content. Sony appears to diving deep into the social aspects of the games. Exclusive titles will likely be the key for success, the jury is still out on that.

Still, it's increased my interest in what they have. That's a win in their book. I look forward to what's coming.


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Valve still has the most to gain here. A Steam Box for less than $300 that does what these do, and more, and let's you game on multiple platforms works well long-term. If they can include multimedia options, it's game-over for Sony, and possibly Microsoft.
 
Does this mean the processor is a bit rubbish? I'm not that well educated on computer specs.
Most likely given it is something targeted for netbooks and probably low powered ultrabooks and low end laptop market. It will probably be only double the performance of a netbook CPU which doesn't sound promising for a next-gen system if it is exactly like the PC version will be. I am hoping Sony do make a step up on this though for final version. If not it might hit the ceiling on what can be done on the CPU side regarding physics and probably most games will probably use GPU mainly for it, opposite in a way to what is being done currently on the PS3. GPU seems to be interesting though.
 
My thoughts on the whole thing:

Hardware Specs - Sound good to me, but this whole "play games anywhere and everywhere" seems like productivity around the world is about to hit an all time low.

DS4 - Possibilities... but I really hope the price of the controller doesn't go up.

Square Enix - Are they making movies yet?

MiniMolecule - DAMN YOU STREAM, STOP PAUSING DURING THE (potentially) GOOD STUFF.

Drive Club - So this is what it sounds like when someone inhales after holding their breath for 10 years. Really wasn't much to announce.

Blizzard - I laughed when he asked how everyone was doing and got no response. His jokes got a few laughs... and then he announces that they were looking at what franchise might work on the PS. I'm thinking "Starcraft FPS? Warcraft RPG? . . . DIRECT PORT OF DIABLO III???" He couldn't get off the stage fast enough after that.

Square Enix - Seriously, are you making movies yet?

Capcom - Focus on Street Fighter, always go with Street Fighter. Don't start off by disappointing us with saying "I'm not here to talk about Street Fighter".

inFamous: Second Son - This wasn't a Sony press conference at all! This was all just a ploy to instill more paranoia in us! Oh wait, he's introducing a game now? False alarm.

The Witness - One of the more interesting games announced, to be honest. Thank goodness for indie's and small dev's! Although his description of the game had me thinking something much darker than the bright and colorful aesthetic the game ended up being.

Watch Dogs - Back to instilling paranoia! Oh wait, they're talking about a game again. So is this Batman: Arkham Asylum but in a trench coat?

Killzone: Shadowfall - Never really thought much of Killzone, but this looks pretty cool I guess.

Activision - Way to end this strong Sony!

Bungie - Well now, sorry to judge Activision so quickly. This conference was looking pretty good for the PS4 until they announced Destiny would also be available on the PS3.

No GT - Can't say I'm surprised, E3 here we come! GT, it's up to you on whether or not I buy a PS4! Come through for me!

Right when Driveclub was shown I knew there wasn't going to be anything on GT6. Kaz may have been in one clip but Sony was not going to do two racing games in this conference. E3 is a more likely locale.
 
Was kind of hoping they'd go somewhat back to the Fat PS2 days. Loved the logo and the layout of the console.
 
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Right when Driveclub was shown I knew there wasn't going to be anything on GT6. Kaz may have been in one clip but Sony was not going to do two racing games in this conference. E3 is a more likely locale.

And that makes perfect sense, to me! No point in coming out of the gates with all of your biggest guns blazing. Announce some juicy new first party stuff from new or middleweight titles and franchises to get the hype train really moving, and then complete launch it into space with your A-list titles like GT and maybe Uncharted or God of War. Reveal these along with your console and pricing.
 
Most likely given it is something targeted for netbooks and probably low powered ultrabooks and low end laptop market. It will probably be only double the performance of a netbook CPU which doesn't sound promising for a next-gen system if it is exactly like the PC version will be. I am hoping Sony do make a step up on this though for final version. If not it might hit the ceiling on what can be done on the CPU side regarding physics and probably most games will probably use GPU mainly for it, opposite in a way to what is being done currently on the PS3. GPU seems to be interesting though.

I don't think it's as alarming as it might sound, it's not a general purpose computer like a netbook (kind of) is. The GPU hasn't been revealed yet and that's going to be a key factor, as you say. I need to watch the video again but I'm sure they showed off the GPU's physics power in the presentation, I'm sure he said that bit with all the falling blocks or whatever they were was running purely on the GPU alone.

Err, I'm sure I had more to add but it's quite late now, I should sleep.
 
Valve still has the most to gain here. A Steam Box for less than $300 that does what these do, and more, and let's you game on multiple platforms works well long-term. If they can include multimedia options, it's game-over for Sony, and possibly Microsoft.

I don't think Valve's steambox will come close to what PS4 will reap in the future. As much as Valve is the "good guy greg" of gaming companies, outside of Half Life and Team Fortress, their title line up is not as far branching as Sony's.

I like Valve, but taking on Sony is probably going to bite them hard. And it doesn't help that Valve hasn't talked up it's steambox yet, but it probably will sell because Valve fans are loyal. But to the numbers a Playstation branded console can manage? I have a hard time seeing that.
 
I don't understand the deal for all this "social" clap trap. I buy ps4 to play good games, not to show my buddy across the world a sick headshot or watch his sick headshot, nor to tell other how to play their own game from my mobile phone.:crazy:

But anyway this is the way the world goes, we have to live everyone else's life.

Did you play Midnight Club Street Racing on PS2? The launch title? It looked like a high res PS1 game. It looked horrendous compared to GT3 which was released 7 months later. I wouldnt judge PS4's graphics performance over one game.
Let's hope:tup:

The part where you say the game has poor quality visuals after watching it on a low quality stream?
That's like giving an excuse for GT5's crappy lifeless engine sounds "you need $6000 dollar 7.1 theatre system man and GT5 will sound gooder"
Or "You can't judge sound quality on the your tube man, if you listen to the real uncompressed direct feed GT5 on your 7.1 theatre system at full volume, it sounds as good as the 240p youtube videos of real racing cars, or some game that sounds really good"
 
I don't think it's as alarming as it might sound, it's not a general purpose computer like a netbook (kind of) is. The GPU hasn't been revealed yet and that's going to be a key factor, as you say. I need to watch the video again but I'm sure they showed off the GPU's physics power in the presentation, I'm sure he said that bit with all the falling blocks or whatever they were was running purely on the GPU alone.

Err, I'm sure I had more to add but it's quite late now, I should sleep.
It is alarming regarding say Gran Turismo though. Looks like at the moment it will be a hold back regarding how good driving physics can go just by using the CPU. I guess they will have to find a way to make it work for them if it is in the final specifications. GPU is what was showing off the physics.
 
I like Valve, but taking on Sony is probably going to bite them hard. And it doesn't help that Valve hasn't talked up it's steambox yet, but it probably will sell because Valve fans are loyal. But to the numbers a Playstation branded console can manage? I have a hard time seeing that.

I don't think Valve intends to take down any of the major console brands, but I'm quite sure that they intend to take a major chunk out of that part of the market. Given that I'll be able to play games that I already own, it makes a lot of sense. Between that, and the seemingly constant Steam Sales, they'd have the most ground to gain... Particularly with the hardcore gaming set.

All of it will depend on how "entertainment" driven Sony and Microsoft get.
 
The valve idea looks like a good alternative for those looking at a more "old style" gaming environment. Something designed to play the games we want, not just to tell everyone about it on facebook.
 
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