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If specs makes or breaks a console, then Nintendo seems to be doing a damn good job of breaking with their Aging DS (3DS) and Wii.

Nope, not about the games or innovation or anything like that. It's all about the specs, right?
 
Musolini187
i know what generation means. till now every time a next gen console was released it marked a new point in technological advancement and produced specs that were above the norm for some time to come. nothing even close to that with this new next gen. why are you trying so hard to defend this upcoming gen? the jump in specs is too small for my preference and the same goes for a lot of people. what's so great about having a next gen console that's already outdated before its release.
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The wii outsold the 360 and the ps3 by a whole lot and the 3ds is the only relevant handheld console. Both have previous gen specs.

It happened in the past as well and there are cases of consoles ahead of its time too. The "next gen" is going to be 8th one.


I find funny that people speak in marketing terms when they think they are talking in a technical fashion. 4K is a misleading term in itself and having a higher resolution doesn't necessarily mean a better looking game: nowadays it is the opposite, hence why there are very few 'current gen' AAA titles that actually run at 1080p.
It does wonders with old games that don't have awful or low-res very detailed textures though.
 
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Musolini187
what's so great about having a next gen console that's already outdated before its release.
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Well, I do share that opinion - and I've tried to explain why I'm of that opinion quite thoroughly. The more I think about it, though, the more I think that it's all a matter of perspective.

To those who are mostly playing on consoles, the new generation will provide a huge leap forward. It'll allow them to tap into the sort of visual fidelity that's entirely beyond what they've experienced so far. For them, 400 bucks will get them something that is actually "next gen" to them.

For other who, like me, have gone beyond what consoles offer and use that as the yard stick, it's not like that. If I wanted to tap into a realm of increased visual fidelity, I could do that by purchasing another GTX680, to match a TITAN's performance. All a console would offer for me, at this time, is a barrier to exclusiv games that could be taken down for 400 bucks.

That difference in perspective has, in my opinion, a lot to do with the vastly differing opinions in here.
 
Musolini187
i know what generation means. till now every time a next gen console was released it marked a new point in technological advancement and produced specs that were above the norm for some time to come. nothing even close to that with this new next gen. why are you trying so hard to defend this upcoming gen? the jump in specs is too small for my preference and the same goes for a lot of people. what's so great about having a next gen console that's already outdated before its release.
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So...... specs>games then? Wait to see what the games look like on final hardware? Its ok to defend against a narrow point of view. Luminis offers the better perspective while agreeing with you. But I've grown tired of repeating myself to explain why your view is so shallow. You can read previous pages for that.
 
Musolini187
i know what generation means. till now every time a next gen console was released it marked a new point in technological advancement and produced specs that were above the norm for some time to come. nothing even close to that with this new next gen. why are you trying so hard to defend this upcoming gen? the jump in specs is too small for my preference and the same goes for a lot of people. what's so great about having a next gen console that's already outdated before its release.
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I'm not defending anything, I'm simply saying whether you like it or not these consoles are part of the next generation of gaming.

However if you want my opinion on the PS4 then I do think it represents a big enough jump, yes. Games are already nearing photorealism, all new generations can do is edge us ever closer to that. You're never going to see the huge jumps we saw from PS1 > PS2 and PS2 > PS3 again, the gap just isn't there.

You seem to like numbers and multiplyers, well the PS4 has 16 times the memory of PS3, plus it's a lot faster. The GPU is approx 4.5 times as powerful as the PS3. Isn't that enough for you?

Everything else is about horsepower and game design, not graphics. You seem to talk as if graphics are all that matters, I'd hate to think what you're going to want to see in 2040 when graphics are perfectly photorealistic.
 
Musolini187
what's so great about having a next gen console that's already outdated before its release.
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Outdated compared to what? Was the PS4 ever going to be more powerful then a Geforce Titan? So unless the PS4 had a $1000 graphics card it was going to be "outdated" at launch anyway.

Sony tried the super high end, high tech console last gen, and asked gamers for $600 when it cost them around $750 to build. So what did most do? They bashed Sony for the price. Now they want the same cutting edge tech, but at $299. They want their cake and they want to eat it too.

Have you seen Drive Club, Knack and Deep Down, Killzone Shadowfall, or the Agnis Philosophy demo? Are those visuals not enough of a leap for you, considering they are first generation games, and visuals will only get much better?
 
Even if the PS4 is capable of 4k ,why would developers focus on a feature that basicly involves the customer having a 5000$ TV at home :lol:

Granted prices will drop but it is still mega expensive .
 
Scaff
How about making a list of what you could be in place of the 201" (not a typo) C/Seed - Porsche Design 'all weather outdoor TV', may not be 4K but given that its 'transformers' in and out of your lawn and costs $400,000 its quite an impresive set.

http://www.t3.com/news/porsche-designs-worlds-largest-tv-with-cseed

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Honey where is the remote?it's on top of the Tv babe ......... Oh 🤬

Seriously though,I bet that guy won't ever get off that couch
 
sems4arsenal
Even if the PS4 is capable of 4k ,why would developers focus on a feature that basicly involves the customer having a 5000$ TV at home :lol:

Granted prices will drop but it is still mega expensive .
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Because they cost $25,000 just a year ago. Technology progression moves swiftly and prices drop just as fast.
 
Luminis
You do like to make it sound as if the TITAN was the only GPU that outperforms the PS4, don't you?
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Based solely on teraflop info given, a GTX 660ti is already ahead of the PS4. So 660ti, 670, 680 and TITAN on nVidia's side, with newer GPUs out later this year.
CPU side it's the same thing.

But you can't neglect that having standardized hardware will have much better optimization happen so who knows what ballpark the PS4 will actually be in.
 
I'm so torn between building a gaming pc in June, or waiting for the ps4... I can only afford 1 within a year because I'm currently just 15, so to me its a lot of money. I love PS exclusives such as Gran Turismo and Killzone, but pc games like Planetside and LFS seem brilliant (not to mention that battlefield is, to me, better on pc). Soooo many advantages and disadvantages! I've got some thinking to do :/
 
motoraza
I'm so torn between building a gaming pc in June, or waiting for the ps4... I can only afford 1 within a year because I'm currently just 15, so to me its a lot of money. I love PS exclusives such as Gran Turismo and Killzone, but pc games like Planetside and LFS seem brilliant (not to mention that battlefield is, to me, better on pc). Soooo many advantages and disadvantages! I've got some thinking to do :/
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Simple answer,Build a PC now,buy a PS4 next year or after the first price cut.

A PS4 Granturismo is till some ways off and Killzone is hardly reason enough to buy a console.
 
sems4arsenal
Simple answer,Build a PC now,buy a PS4 next year or after the first price cut.

A PS4 Granturismo is till some ways off and Killzone is hardly reason enough to buy a console.
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Even though I am building one now, I wouldn't do anything right now involving next gen. Both gaming PCs and the PS4 will be suffering some growing pains especially this close to launch, and you want to make absolutely sure that your gaming rig can go the long haul.

Otherwise, do build the PC first.
 
Earth
According to this, a Radeon HD 7850 is the 20th most powerful GPU in the world

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
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Ppff, Just let it go, every time I see the word "outdated", I wonder why they redefine the meaning. Less power doesn't mean outdated. Bread or milk can be out dated and is rendered unless and needs to be replaced. The PS4 hardware isn't by definition. It will work well with what it has and will do everything it needs to since its a closed system. Its a point of view, its more powerful than PS3 and doesn't run Windows or direct X so I'm not sure whats outdated by definition. Games will be made for it run perfectly fine. It's an endless argument from a narrow point of view. I look at Killzone shadow Fall demo and could care less about what something on a more expensive completely different platform has to offer as far as options.

It will uses a customizable PlayStation shader language, it supports PhysX and Tress Effects and has enough power to do what it needs to do. These people only care about numbers, they haven't seen a single game running on retail hardware. Let them obsess over numbers. I think my open mind is a curse.


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-playstation-4
"DirectX tends to hide a lot of the internal workings of the card to have a nice easy-to-use API across all platforms," explained Norden. "We expose a lot of the hardware features you're not used to getting on a PC. We can do a lot more cool things, we have a lot more access to the power in the system."
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Is he lying to us? I think for the platform its on its going to do just fine for a long time.
 
sems4arsenal
2 seperate reveals ?what's the point in that?
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The word/rumor is to reveal the finalized hardware specs & system look at this earlier event & focus on the games for the PS4 during E3 to disrupt MS & their new system announce. We'll see what turns up though.
 
Earth
According to this, a Radeon HD 7850 is the 20th most powerful GPU in the world

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
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So?

Doesn't change the fact that you don't need a TITAN to overpower the PS4, It actually seems like entirely pointless, random information.
cuco33
Based solely on teraflop info given, a GTX 660ti is already ahead of the PS4. So 660ti, 670, 680 and TITAN on nVidia's side, with newer GPUs out later this year.
CPU side it's the same thing.
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Precisely.
cuco33
But you can't neglect that having standardized hardware will have much better optimization happen so who knows what ballpark the PS4 will actually be in.
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I don't. It just annoys me how some people are making the PS4 out to be god-tier hardware because ZOMG 8GB GDDR5!!!
 
Yeah I think I will build the PC first. I do tend to buy consoles after a price drop or two :) I'm very interested to see how the PS4 will perform towards the latter end of it's life as it doesn't have some of the PS3's pitfalls. Although technology changes so quick, it may well have the same drawbacks within a couple of years.
 

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