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dice1998
That's weird, i'm reading something different:



Joystiq also says this:


Like you quoted in the latter, bolded statement. Which might mean that Microsoft's cloud service isn't a GPU cloud but a CPU cloud? Maybe Microsoft fostered a deal (if they don't own the damn company) with T5 because, well, companies can actually do that?
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I don't think cloud servers only works by sharing of GPU or CPU only, they would share all processing power. I doubt Azure cloud servers owned by MS only uses CPU - it seems so backward when Xbone - the clients uses APU (CPU+GPU) architecture.

Running Azure with APU based servers would bring less cost and better efficiency.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
I don't think cloud servers only works by sharing of GPU or CPU only, they would share all processing power. I doubt Azure cloud servers owned by MS only uses CPU - it seems so backward when Xbone - the clients uses APU (CPU+GPU) architecture.

Running Azure with APU based servers would bring less cost and better efficiency.
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The PS4 will have cloud gaming. As far as I can recall, Microsoft won't. Servers do need some form of GPU to function and do diagnostics in-house and such, yes. But the infringement is on Sharing a Graphical Processing Unit Between a Plurality of Programs.
Copying and pasting from a copypasta google of the infringement
The method comprising the steps of:
a) outputting instructions by a first program of the plurality of programs to create a first set of instructions for generating a first frame;
b) outputting instructions by a second program of the plurality of programs to create a second set of instructions for generating a second frame;
c) providing control instructions to control how the GPU processes instructions of the first set of instructions and instructions of the second set of instructions;
d) processing at least part of the first set of instructions by the GPU to produce the first frame;
e) processing at least part of the second set of instructions by the GPU to produce the second frame;
f) signaling to an encoder when the GPU has completed rendering the first frame;
g) compressing at least part of the first frame by the encoder into a compressed data signal and transmitting the compressed data signal to a remote processing device;
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Let's say (because this is not in stone and just speculation until the PS4 actually launches) that there *is* a program that's on the PS4 that will call to the onlive servers. There's your problem.


The Xbox one isn't doing this. It's a method similar to Sim City. It's offloading data that needs to be processed to a server cluster which processes the data and sends it back to the Xbox one which then displays that data to the screen in the form of something like physics or a change of weather or traffic patterns or something like that.

Maybe that doesn't need to use the GPU at all and could just use a CPU and a secondary PCI powered processing unit per server.


Then again i'm a complete dumbass and have no idea what i'm talking about so maybe you are right.
 
I'll quote it again :
In a new report from PatentArcade, T5 Labs contends that their patent, U.S. Patent No. 8,203,568 (or just “568″), gives them exclusive license to “using a centralized server within a bank of servers that allows remote access by a user.” In essence, this is the basis of cloud-based gaming services like Gaikai–the client accesses a remote server which plays the game, and the game is streamed through the client’s set-top box to their television. PatentArcade reports that “T5 alleges that by offering for sale and selling the use of its GPU cloud, Gaikai is committing contributory infringement as well as inducing the direct infringement of others.” gaikai-ps4-2014
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The main infringement is the exclusive license of cloud based service model, the GPU cloud is contributory infringement. I wonder why T5 didn't sue Gaikai when it hasn't been purchased by Sony.

I read somewhere that Azure will also provide cloud gaming based services where you can play via cloud on other Xbone using authenticated account.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
The main infringement is the exclusive license of cloud based service model, the GPU cloud is contributory infringement. I wonder why T5 didn't sue Gaikai when it hasn't been purchased by Sony.
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dice1998
Maybe they're not infringing on any patents?
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dice1998
Maybe Microsoft fostered a deal (if they don't own the damn company) with T5 because, well, companies can actually do that?
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I can quote too!
 
It just really shows how broken the patent system is. I can't wait until someone is granted a patent for a certain letter, number, saying or even granted a patent on breathing patterns or DNA.

That's when the revolt will begin, I assume.
 
dice1998
It just really shows how broken the patent system is. I can't wait until someone is granted a patent for a certain letter, number, saying or even granted a patent on breathing patterns or DNA.

That's when the revolt will begin, I assume.
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I do believe Paris Hilton has a patent on the catch phrase "That's hot". :lol:
It's just so dumb.
 
The "Happy Birthday" song is patented globally too lmao. You never see it in films are they would have to pay.
 
Microsoft have no connection to T5 Labs, that's a fact, so can we stop bringing that up?

They're a tiny "company" based in England that are basically patent trolls. They don't make any products and have no intention of doing so.
 
dice1998
It just really shows how broken the patent system is. I can't wait until someone is granted a patent for a certain letter, number, saying or even granted a patent on breathing patterns or DNA.

That's when the revolt will begin, I assume.
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Patent the spelling of the word "patent."
 
Here's a new interview with Jack Tretton by IGN. They mention the Xbox DRM U-turn and the PS eye not being bundled with PS4 and why Sony chose to do that.

(Skip to 6:58 for the interview)
 
BWX
And now Ubisoft just got hacked.. great....
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Oh wait was that real? I get so many emails saying "We got hacked, go to www.scam.us.password/reset" and insert all your personal details.
 
There's a proper password reset thingy on their website, I think you can access the real page through the register (news website), there's an article on there about it.
 
Dylans1o
Here's a new interview with Jack Tretton by IGN. They mention the Xbox DRM U-turn and the PS eye not being bundled with PS4 and why Sony chose to do that.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn5AraH6wAQ">YouTube Link</a>
(Skip to 6:58 for the interview)
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Is the PS Eye not in the box with the PS4? I'm sure I seem somewhere that it was.
 
nealcropper
Is the PS Eye not in the box with the PS4?
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No, it was mentioned in this thread previously, I haven't been here since then so I don't know how many pages back it would be. It was going to be but they took it out.
 
neema_t
No, it was mentioned in this thread previously, I haven't been here since then so I don't know how many pages back it would be. It was going to be but they took it out.
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Ahhh, ok, I have been away from GTP for a couple of days.
 
So in short, good. They really should of taken less time to describe the controller. They were painfully slow on a few points.
 
I am excited about the new controller and how the touch pad could be a big addition to game play if used properly.

Warframe is going to use it for your specials, It's fantastic because on PC you'll have to sacrifice another button for specials since they use all the buttons and none for specials. The on screen keyboard uses it too. When typing a floating circle cursor hovers over the letter and pressing the pad in puts the letter. This will work much better than the d-pad.
 

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