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[Lizard]

I would like to see PS4 support Dualshock 3 too.

Unlikely.

The DS2 and DS3 were not that much different but the DS4 is a lot different. Especially with the touch pad.

 

[Jawehawk]

My guess would be because they like it.

Opinion.

What constitutes a talentless hack? They obviously have some, the game is decently successful and, in my opinion, can be quite enjoyable.

It's not opinion. The story is shallow, predictable and rehashed. There is nothing good about the it. The story is crap in much the same way as the story in any Transformers movie is crap. And that is a fact.
If you want stories where the quality can be debatted, you need to look at some that are far more complex. Perhaps some that has actual characters in them, rather than names holding guns...

Sound and graphics is also not a subjective thing. Art style is subjective, but seeing as the CoD franchise is set in the real world, without any artistic direction, it's only goal is to appear as realistic as possible. And it fails horribly in that regard. Same goes for the sound design.

And finally. In the games industry, the lack of ability to create something new and exciting, would constitute being a talentless hack. Something both Infinity Ward and Treyarch has shown time and time again.

 

[Samus]

The buttons are actually all the same in terms of number and placement, the only difference physically is the touchpad. In the same way I can map my Xbox 360 controller to mimic a PS1 game's inputs on my PC in an emulator someone could easily do the same with an adapater on PS4. It'll just mean pressing Start and Select will have different functions.

It's not opinion. The story is shallow, predictable and rehashed. There is nothing good about the it. The story is crap in much the same way as the story in any Transformers movie is crap. And that is a fact.

I've never played a COD game and I have no intention to do so but no, that isn't fact. Unless the meaning of the word has been redefined overnight.

 

[XtremeBadass]

Unlikely.

The DS2 and DS3 were not that much different but the DS4 is a lot different. Especially with the touch pad.

Wii Remote is a lot different than Wii U GamePad, and still works on Wii U.
If PS4 has compatible with USB, I don't know what is the problem.
For PSone and PS2 classics I will prefer playing using DS3 than DS4.

 

[Samus]

Wii Remote is a lot different than Wii U GamePad, and still works on Wii U.
If PS4 has compatible with USB, I don't know what is the problem.
For PSone and PS2 classics I will prefer playing using DS3 than DS4.

How do you know, have you used a DS4?

 

[XtremeBadass]

How do you know, have you used a DS4?

I haven't used a DS4 , but from what I see, I would like to still playing Psone, PS2 and PS3 games on PS4 with a DS3, than with the new DS4.

 

[Jawehawk]

I've never played a COD game and I have no intention to do so but no, that isn't fact. Unless the meaning of the word has been redefined overnight.

Let me put it this way. Say I write a story containing two characters. The only things you'll learn about the characters in my story is their names. The story goes as follows. Pete and Sam wake up one morning, and decide to go grab a beer. They do that. Then they went home. Now would you say that story is in fact horrible. Or would you say it's a matter of opinion?

Some stories are bad as a fact.

 

[Samus]

Let me put it this way. Say I write a story containing two characters. The only things you'll learn about the characters in my story is their names. The story goes as follows. Pete and Sam wake up one morning, and decide to go grab a beer. They do that. Then they went home. Now would you say that story is in fact horrible. Or would you say it's a matter of opinion?

Some stories are bad as a fact.

Yeah, no. It's an opinion.

 

[Eks]

Let me put it this way. Say I write a story containing two characters. The only things you'll learn about the characters in my story is their names. The story goes as follows. Pete and Sam wake up one morning, and decide to go grab a beer. They do that. Then they went home. Now would you say that story is in fact horrible. Or would you say it's a matter of opinion?

Some stories are bad as a fact.

People have different tastes, not everyone likes the same things. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.

I, for example, thought the story of Modern Warfare 1-3 was quite decent, it told a good story. That's my opinion of course.

 

[Jawehawk]

Yeah, no. It's an opinion.

Nope.

 

[Samus]

Nope.

It really is.

 

[Tornado]

The wonders of the English language.

 

[Spagetti69]

Many people don't even bother with the campaigns on these modern day shooters.
I wouldn't say any of them would win an Oscar to be fair.

Online is where it's at for those games.

 

[Caz]

I always play campaigns through before i even try online. Once i go online, i never go back.

 

[LeMansAid]

Let me put it this way. Say I write a story containing two characters. The only things you'll learn about the characters in my story is their names. The story goes as follows. Pete and Sam wake up one morning, and decide to go grab a beer. They do that. Then they went home. Now would you say that story is in fact horrible. Or would you say it's a matter of opinion?

Some stories are bad as a fact.

You are hardly covering yourself in glory here. There is a point where by warring so vehemently and incessantly against, one pitches themselves as no greater than the object of their dissatisfaction.

I welcome you to try a drug created by medical researchers using your criteria for what constitutes a fact. Actually, the story generated by you being dragged through years of sickness and mutation, ultimately culminating in your heartbreaking demise would be an interesting one..... fact.

 

[Joel]

Glad to see that a new console generation has continued the trend of people acting elitist and higher than thou because they're so unique and don't like Call of Duty.

 

[MeanElf]

Let me put it this way. Say I write a story containing two characters. The only things you'll learn about the characters in my story is their names. The story goes as follows. Pete and Sam wake up one morning, and decide to go grab a beer. They do that. Then they went home. Now would you say that story is in fact horrible. Or would you say it's a matter of opinion?

Some stories are bad as a fact.

That still leaves a lot of leeway for conversation and situations from when they wake up. You still needn't learn anything more about them except how they react to the conversations they have but a good story could be made from that...

Having watched my wife playing Blops II recently, it definitely isn't a simple scenario with interchangeable jocks. There is some depth and flow to it - possibly more than previous titles due to the wider spread of time in which the story unfolds.

It's not my kind of game, but I can recognise that it has improved and isn't as bad a story as some out there. Now that's definitely an opinion.

 

[Jawehawk]

You are hardly covering yourself in glory here. There is a point where by warring so vehemently and incessantly against, one pitches themselves as no greater than the object of their dissatisfaction.

I welcome you to try a drug created by medical researchers using your criteria for what constitutes a fact. Actually, the story generated by you being dragged through years of sickness and mutation, ultimately culminating in your heartbreaking demise would be an interesting one..... fact.

After having read your comments several times. I stil haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to say. The sentence I've put in bold is espicially weird to me. The hell does that even mean?

At least now I know the meaning of the word vehemently... I think.

That still leaves a lot of leeway for conversation and situations from when they wake up. You still needn't learn anything more about them except how they react to the conversations they have but a good story could be made from that...

Every story has potential to be something great and interesting. That's besides the point. What is the point is that some stories just aren't good.

Glad to see that a new console generation has continued the trend of people acting elitist and higher than thou because they're so unique and don't like Call of Duty.

Right. PC players would never do such a thing.

 

[Ryanswannell]

I think the reason CoD has given itself a bad name is because whenever you hear the words "CoD online", some people immediately think of screaming kids, grenade launchers and no-scoping, but I rarely even come across these on Black Ops 2.
Also, to state that the graphics are poor is very unfair and is actually an opinion, not a fact. Just like the story being poor is an opinion and not a fact(even though I loved MW3's campaign).
Also, to claim that the developers are "talenless" is also unfair. In fact, I would say they are exactly the opposite, as they have created a brilliant online formula which is still thriving, even 5 years on, with at least 300,000 people online simultaneously on Black Ops 2 on the PS3 alone.

Anyway, back to the PS4, is there still no specific release date?

 

[Imari]

Every story has potential to be something great and interesting. That's besides the point. What is the point is that some stories just aren't good.

Good and bad are relative terms, thus are entirely opinion. If you're living under a bridge, a tiny apartment might be great. If you grew up in a mansion, it may be terrible.

Stories are the same. To a child, "Petey the Poo went to Pennsylvania" may be a masterpiece. To a critic, it's probably drivel.

You can say things like "the vast majority of people will find this story bad" and have it be factually true. But a story is not factually good or bad, it's just a story. People tend to talk as if there is such a thing, but they're actually referring to what they perceive would be the general opinion of their society or culture. Where there's disagreement on what the general opinion of the society or culture is, is where it becomes obvious that it's just an opinion.

 

[Famine]

I like Call of Duty. It's simple, engaging and quite social.

The storyline is completely acceptable and, over the course of MW1-MW3, is coherent, partly logical, slightly outrageous, occasionally unpredictable and at the very least Hollywood-worthy. Some characters die quite unexpectedly and some die quite stupidly. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the story.

However I've not bought a COD game since MW2 (I played the single player of MW3 because it was loaned to me by someone bored of the online) in 2009.

The reason is the online. The online game becomes broken, glitched, cheated and hacked - more and more over time. If you go online on day 1 you'll already find the leaderboards are broken with impossible stats. Gradually the more you play the game the more you notice players doing the impossible - it starts with uncanny aim and knowledge of your location and progresses to full bore imbeciles running around in the air or under the map with super speed, infinite ammo, autofire, autoaim, permanent UAV, wallhacks killing everyone with throwing knives. Eventually you'll find one lobby in 8 will be playable. Just about.

This isn't even the problem. The problem is that it's seemingly never addressed. Sure, they can take a map out of rotation for 2 weeks while they remove a texture that refers to Allah on a painting in a toilet, but they can't/don't/won't remove cheaters from the leaderboards or scriptkiddies from lobbies.

Instead what they do is market their map DLC - 5 maps for the cost of half a game! - and then they market the next game. And guess what happens to that when it comes out?


I'm not buying into that system.

 

[Jawehawk]

Good and bad are relative terms, thus are entirely opinion. If you're living under a bridge, a tiny apartment might be great. If you grew up in a mansion, it may be terrible.

You can say things like "the vast majority of people will find this story bad" and have it be factually true. But a story is not factually good or bad, it's just a story. People tend to talk as if there is such a thing, but they're actually referring to what they perceive would be the general opinion of their society or culture. Where there's disagreement on what the general opinion of the society or culture is, is where it becomes obvious that it's just an opinion.

See, that's where I disagree. The definition of the word "fact" is obviously different from person to person. I take my opinion of the definition of the word as fact, same as you guys. Which leaves us at a dead end.

You, and several others, say that the word can't be applied to a story, but that is just your opinion. Just like me saying that the word can be applied to the topic, is also just my opinion. But that leaves the debate without any winners, and what fun is that?

And as always, Famine spreads true wisdom. Even though I don't quite agree with his assesment on the story part.

 

[Scaff]

See, that's where I disagree. The definition of the word "fact" is obviously different from person to person. I take my opinion of the definition of the word as fact, same as you guys. Which leaves us at a dead end.

You, and several others, say that the word can't be applied to a story, but that is just your opinion. Just like me saying that the word can be applied to the topic, is also just my opinion. But that leaves the debate without any winners, and what fun is that?

And as always, Famine spreads true wisdom. Even though I don't quite agree with his assesment on the story part.

The staff can make it quite simple and apply the standard we use on the site as a whole, what your talking about is an opinion, quite simply because it's subjective. Anything subjective is an opinion, facts are objective and not subject too interpretation. Your opinion on COD is totally subjective and as such you can't be wrong in that, but that doesn't makes it a fact and it certainly doesn't mean anyone who disagrees is wrong (they are also right - such is the nature of opinion).

In regard to Famines points, I agree with the majority of them, but do find the hacks far worse on the PS3, which is why I limit my COD to the 360, BLOP2 is quite hack lite on that platform of you stick to hardcore.

 

[LeMansAid]

After having read your comments several times. I stil haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to say. The sentence I've put in bold is espicially weird to me. The hell does that even mean?

At least now I know the meaning of the word vehemently... I think.

Hehe, I get the sense that you are actually being quite lighthearted about this, which is something in your favour.

I was suggesting that if a drug was developed and your theory of what constitutes a fact was applied, the drug would not even need objective scientific tests. A researcher could merely state that it works.

For the record, I have no interest at all in COD. Only in being just and fair.... a bit.

 

[Jawehawk]

Hehe, I get the sense that you are actually being quite lighthearted about this, which is something in your favour.

I was suggesting that if a drug was developed and your theory of what constitutes a fact was applied, the drug would not even need objective scientific tests. A researcher could merely state that it works.

For the record, I have no interest at all in COD. Only in being just and fair.... a bit.

Well, I stand by all the things I've said, but I don't dislike the people who disagree with me. Just a discussion after all. And I suddenly wouldn't apply my logic to science related matters. Science demands research!

 

[Saidur_Ali]

It is interesting to see that PS4 has same power rating as second revision of PS3 Slim, the first to use 40nm RSX as well as using 45nm Cell like ones in current PS3 Super Slim:

Manufactured date on PS4 label looks promising for a release potentially before November.

 

[dr_slump]

In case anyone doesn't see it:

250W

 

[Ryanswannell]

So, is there a definite/almost certain answer as to which console out of the PS4 and and Xbox One has the higher 'potential' in terms of 'power' for gaming yet? All of these specs mean very little to me as I'm by no means a computer expert.

 

[dr_slump]

so, is there a definite/almost certain answer as to which console out of the ps4 and and xbox one has the higher 'potential' in terms of 'power' for gaming yet? All of these specs mean very little to me as i'm by no means a computer expert.

ps4

 

[Ryanswannell]

ps4

If that is correct, then why is anyone purchasing the XBOX ONE?

So, it's a less powerful system, bigger (not that it really matters), comes from a brand known for unreliable hardware AND tried to screw us with their DRM policies, more expensive and requires a constantly connected Kinect System, which some people feel uneasy about.

The only reasons I can think of are either 'fanboyism' or their exclusives.

Not trying to bash the XBOX, but how it is selling is beyond me.