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It wasn't even released yet! How the flock of sheep could it have already been a failu-You know what? Because Sony fanboyism.
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Well......no. Had an xbox, got a Wii U, Mac, HP Laptop, Samsung TV. I have no favourite but choice the superior tech, phones are the worst but consoles are designed to last 20x longer, and the company behind it is a big part in what your buying in to. Sony have a good reputation with giving customers what they want, yes we now have to pay for online but we still get discounts and freebies too. 2:1 ratio to microsoft, who are still reading word for word sonys documents so they can amend theirs, for consumer support (fixing a mistake)
 
Even being smaller, I predict that within three years Sony make a PS4 Slim.
It could be as early as next year if they choose to make it slightly smaller or just use cheaper cooling and make it lighter. There is going to be two big power reductions quite quickly, 20nm in 2014, and 14nm potentially in 2015 or 2016. Improvements from then on is going to take more time for significant change unless there is a big breakthrough.
 
It could be as early as next year if they choose to make it slightly smaller or just use cheaper cooling and make it lighter. There is going to be two big power reductions quite quickly, 20nm in 2014, and 14nm potentially in 2015 or 2016. Improvements from then on is going to take more time for significant change unless there is a big breakthrough.

Are you still expecting yet another slim PS3?
 
I read somewhere that there will be new PS3 Super Slim model line up, possibly revision of Super Slim with CECH4205x designation to replace the older CECH4000 series. The rumors said it contains smaller “nanometer architecture, less power consumption, and better cooling.” Another model CECH4200 is also said to be prepared for Japan and the 4025 will be for South Korea.

There's a high chance Sony will release them to coincide with GT6 Bundle release :D
 
Are you still expecting yet another slim PS3?
Yep, there is even already a new revision of Super Slim coming out but going by model number, I'm guessing only change would be 28nm RSX which should drop power consumption by a small amount. Big change will be the 22nm Cell they have had in development for quite a while now but that is looking like that will be next year now. If the new PS3 coming out this year is 22nm Cell then that would be amazing, will make GT6 experience more enjoyable as less heat and fan noise will likely result from it.

Microsoft should also release a smaller 360 next year or even this year, looks like they never managed to get the 32nm Oban chip in current redesigned 360. Should mean the PS3 and X360 will come down in price by quite a bit in the long term. Will be also interesting to see if Nintendo will be able to respond to competition of likes of PS4 and a cheaper PS3.
 
I read somewhere that there will be new PS3 Super Slim model line up, possibly revision of Super Slim with CECH4205x designation to replace the older CECH4000 series. The rumors said it contains smaller “nanometer architecture, less power consumption, and better cooling.” Another model CECH4200 is also said to be prepared for Japan and the 4025 will be for South Korea.

There's a high chance Sony will release them to coincide with GT6 Bundle release :D
It's the same design as the superslim though if I remember right. They probably won't even give it a new name.
 
It's the same design as the superslim though if I remember right. They probably won't even give it a new name.

I know, just Super Slim 2.0 :lol: It might perform better playing GT6 with lower heat and better cooling ( more stable and less freezing ) I read a lot on various forums that 4000 series Super Slim have been plagued with system instability playing CPU + GPU heavy resource utilization games.
 
I have no favourite but choice the superior tech, phones are the worst but consoles are designed to last 20x longer

Okay, what?

and the company behind it is a big part in what your buying in to.

Right.


Sony have a good reputation with giving customers what they want

Never said they didn't.


yes we now have to pay for online but we still get discounts and freebies too.

I'm going to assume, like Patrick Star, that you live under a rock.

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2:1 ratio to microsoft, who are still reading word for word sonys documents so they can amend theirs, for consumer support (fixing a mistake)

I'm not sure whether to ask for proof of "microsoft, who are still reading word for word sonys documents so they can amend theirs" or just laugh.

Are you next going to tell me that Every PS4 is to be a dev console too? Or that Sony was the first of the two to choose AMD's "Jaguar" Architecture? Are you going to also say that the PS4 is as powerful as three Nvidia Geforce GTX Titans? Or that Xbox live is nothing but a carbon copy of Playstation Plus?





All of that jibber jabber, and you failed to see what I quoted and replied to. So, to make it easier on your eyes, i'll reiterate what I asked before without cutting myself off this time:

How the flock of sheep could it have already been a failure if it wasn't released yet?
Because Stone Cold said so?
 
Good thing about PS4 is it should be easier for Sony to make it smaller and will be easier to know when for us by just following when AMD will release their new APUs at smaller process node. PS4 will most likely follow that roadmap.
 
PS4 is already smaller than Ps3 slim, so how tiny could PS4 slim could be ??
 
It could get smaller. I just hope a PS4 slim (and super slim, if there is one) incorporates a fan to cool off the APU and not go for a fanless heatsink approach.
 
I see that certain people here confuse debug with dev consoles.


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It could get smaller. I just hope a PS4 slim (and super slim, if there is one) incorporates a fan to cool off the APU and not go for a fanless heatsink approach.
Could be quite difficult to use passiv cooling for an approx 150-200W unit, don't you think?
 
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PS4 is already smaller than Ps3 slim, so how tiny could PS4 slim could be ??

PS4 Slim can be like this. :p
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^I hope not. :sick: :sly:

Microsoft should also release a smaller 360 next year or even this year, looks like they never managed to get the 32nm Oban chip in current redesigned 360. Should mean the PS3 and X360 will come down in price by quite a bit in the long term. Will be also interesting to see if Nintendo will be able to respond to competition of likes of PS4 and a cheaper PS3.

Are you talking about the 360 they showed at E3 or a future revision for the 360? (Is the one at E3 only a redesign or is it a smaller version?) :confused:
 
I see that certain people here confuse debug with dev consoles.


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Could be quite difficult to use passiv cooling for an approx 150-200W unit, don't you think?
PS4 at 14nm will probably take about 60-80w but even then they wouldn't use passive cooling.

^I hope not. :sick: :sly:



Are you talking about the 360 they showed at E3 or a future revision for the 360? (Is the one at E3 only a redesign or is it a smaller version?) :confused:
A future revision for the 360, new one released is only a redesign with less functionality and slight difference in size.
 
Could be quite difficult to use passiv cooling for an approx 150-200W unit, don't you think?

By the time a PS4 Slim is in the pipeline, the moore's law will possibly have taken effect (I say possibly because Intel has already shown that the law can be broken) will probably allow for a lower power consumption thus allowing for consideration of a passive heatsink assembly.

Or how I like to state things most of the time: something something something moore's law something something die shrink something something something passive/fanless heatsink.
 
By the time a PS4 Slim is in the pipeline, the moore's law will possibly have taken effect (I say possibly because Intel has already shown that the law can be broken) will probably allow for a lower power consumption thus allowing for consideration of a passive heatsink assembly.

Or how I like to state things most of the time: something something something moore's law something something die shrink something something something passive/fanless heatsink.
It would take a huge breakthrough to achieve it. Also after 14nm, it is going to be hard to keep up with Moore's law so it is unlikely they will go passive with cooling.

I guess that makes sense, OS of PS4 will be able to develop a richer feature set and over time will use less memory and games will get better over time, so hand in hand it should work well long term. Better than them doing the same thing as PS3 and not being able to implement new features like cross game chat due to too low allocation of memory in the first place. Still PS4 should hold a significant advantage in terms of power of console especially in graphics and physics calculations.
 
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Interesting. That article also states that the PS4 might use two of its right cores for the OS, much like the XBOne. Quite interesting, really, because the primary reason given for the XBOne to do this was Kinect. This would also make me doubt whether the PS4 really is a lot more powerful than the XBOne. Hardware wise, it would put them on pretty equal footing once again.
As of now that doesn't make any sense.
And why would that be?
 
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