Porsche GT2 RS arrives in North America

[afc2112]

Requires mandatory training on delivery.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Mandatory training?

Pssshhh...isn't that fat load of cash the customer dropped to get that beast mandatory training enough?

 

[kikie]

Is it really that difficult to get that amount of horsepower out of a Porsche engine?

 

[Omnis]

Look at 00:14. They could've had the cars detailed before using them in an official video. They already have webs and swirls marks!

 

[Stotty]

Is it really that difficult to get that amount of horsepower out of a Porsche engine?

Not really.

DMS will take your standard 997 Turbo S and for £4k give it almost 600bhp via a ECU upgrade and a change from 600 to 200 cell cats.

The GT2RS is a bit of an animal by all accounts... the one I'm really waiting for is the rumoured GT3RSR... a GT3RS running the 4.0l engine out of the race cars with the air restrictor removed... should have 500 naturally aspirated horses and all the throttle sensitivity and light weight of the GT3RS.

 

[Omnis]

So the more Rs and Ss the car has in its name, the better? Can't wait for that GTRSRSRSRSRSR.

Seriously though, is that 4.0L the best engine they make? I'm so Porsche-dumb it's a crime.

 

[Stotty]

The 4.0 is not a new engine, it's a stroked version of the 3.8 'Mezger' engine that's powered almost all Porsche's 911 based race cars for many years. It's a very, very reliable unit, hence it can go in a 'road' car with only a few modifications.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Not really.

DMS will take your standard 997 Turbo S and for £4k give it almost 600bhp via a ECU upgrade and a change from 600 to 200 cell cats.

The GT2RS is a bit of an animal by all accounts... the one I'm really waiting for is the rumoured GT3RSR... a GT3RS running the 4.0l engine out of the race cars with the air restrictor removed... should have 500 naturally aspirated horses and all the throttle sensitivity and light weight of the GT3RS.

And that is a classic case of badge tax. Here in Finland, same job can be done for 800€.

 

[Stotty]

Eh? you can get race spec cats and an ECU upgrade for €800? Where from, Bob's back steer bodgers?

An ECU upgrade on a manistream car by any of the respected UK tuning houses is £500+ (€600+), so I'm not sure how you can get new cats for €200... a pair of cat by pass pipes are £300 + vat on their own, and Design Tek 200 cell cats are listed at £600 + vat on Design991.com.

 

[Clark]

The problem I'll have with the GT3 'RSR' is if they make it look too tacky, the look is the main reason why I'm not so keen on the GT2 RS. Why does it have to have unpainted carbon fibre? Did they run out of paint? It just looks plain s***.

If I was lucky enough to be in the postion to buy one I'd ge them to paint the boot lid and engine cover in the right colour. And while they're at it they can take the PASM out of it, no GT2 should have any electronic aids, whether you can switch them off or not.

EDIT: I also had a thread about the GT2 RS from when it was announced here so I don't know why a new one was needed, if any mod reads this is it possible to merge them?

 

[Stotty]

And while they're at it they can take the PASM out of it, no GT2 should have any electronic aids, whether you can switch them off or not.

I think I'd like the safety net of PASM when I'm driving home from a track day on my MPS Cups and it starts chucking it down

Agree on the thread merge 👍

 

[Clark]

Just drive everywhere in top, Stotty. I'm sure the 3.8 litre's got enough torque to shift without the help of the turbos.

But I'd just prefer it to be raw and ridiculously dangerouse like the 993 GT2. Or I'd like to convert one of the 993 GT2's to road-going Evo spec like the one I always see at the LMS at Silverstone.

 

[Stotty]

EVO had the GT2RS in their car of the year feature. When they took it to Cadwell in the rain they said it was pretty much stick it in 4th or 5th for the whole lap or it was too scary

 

[afc2112]

So the more Rs and Ss the car has in its name, the better? Can't wait for that GTRSRSRSRSRSR.

Seriously though, is that 4.0L the best engine they make? I'm so Porsche-dumb it's a crime.

RS stands for RennSport (racing). They've been using this name on and off since 1973. It's only been reserved for their best road cars.

RSR is reserved for pure racing derivatives (i.e. not street legal).

The 'R' label has only been used with the 911R and the Cayman R, the 911R is more motorsport oriented (like the RS before there were RS models). They Cayman R is more of a marketing exercise.

 

[AOS-]

The GT2 RS was all the hype on release day in Hot Pursuit 3....it's now the only porsche I like.

 

[Clark]

RS stands for RennSport (racing). They've been using this name on and off since 1973. It's only been reserved for their best road cars.

RSR is reserved for pure racing derivatives (i.e. not street legal).

The 'R' label has only been used with the 911R and the Cayman R, the 911R is more motorsport oriented (like the RS before there were RS models). They Cayman R is more of a marketing exercise.

I wouldn't say the 911R was more motorsport orientated like an RS, it's was just a full blown race car. As far as I'm aware the RS moniker has only ever been used on a road car, the only race car I can think of that wasn't a road car was the old SC's that Prodrive used to rally. And even then I don't think they were actually properly known as RSs.

 

[AOS-]

GTRSRSRSRSRSR.

If you tried to read that really fast, you'd get Gee-Tee Arse Arse Arse Arse Arse.....

 

[Stotty]

If the 4.0 GT3RS looks anything liek this I may have to rob a bank...

 

[The Outlaw]

Although it would be pretty incredible if Porsche does happen to make such a GT3 variant, I just can't see it happening anytime soon, if ever. From my point of view it would be too big of a misfit in the GT hierarchy. Such a car would simply undercut the GT2RS, as well as the already highly strung GT3RS, which is already thought of as one of the most ultimate street/track cars around. IMO if you go much further than the level of a GT3RS, you're basically left with a car that hasn't much purpose as a street car, as well making the very expensive GT2RS much less appealing (particularly performance wise).

I wouldn't be surprised if Porsche throws a 4 liter (I think they were working on a 7 speed manual as well) into the next gen GT3 (999 IIRC) in the near future, but I can't see them making it (or more extreme variant) anywhere near as extreme, or "raced out" as a GT3RSR.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Eric.]

Eh? you can get race spec cats and an ECU upgrade for €800? Where from, Bob's back steer bodgers?

A race-spec cat should be no cat at all...which is like a $50 job from your local exhaust shop to cut it out and weld in a piece of pipe.


...and doing so in the US is a felony.

 

[Stotty]

Although it would be pretty incredible if Porsche does happen to make such a GT3 variant, I just can't see it happening anytime soon, if ever. From my point of view it would be too big of a misfit in the GT hierarchy. Such a car would simply undercut the GT2RS, as well as the already highly strung GT3RS, which is already thought of as one of the most ultimate street/track cars around. IMO if you go much further than the level of a GT3RS, you're basically left with a car that hasn't much purpose as a street car, as well making the very expensive GT2RS much less appealing (particularly performance wise).

I wouldn't be surprised if Porsche throws a 4 liter (I think they were working on a 7 speed manual as well) into the next gen GT3 (999 IIRC) in the near future, but I can't see them making it (or more extreme variant) anywhere near as extreme, or "raced out" as a GT3RSR.

Just my 2 cents.

Porsche dealers are accepting letters of intent from customers for the 4.0 GT3RS. I doubt i will have any impact on the GT2RS... the 2 is completely sold out and has over 100bhp more than the 4.0 will have (plus a load more torque). The price is rumoured to be mid way between a GT3RS and a GT2RS.

7 speed manual and PDK boxes are both confirmed for the 991. The future for Porsche engines (for the model following next years 991) is turbocharged flat 4's in cooking Carrera's and turbocharged flat 6's in the Turbo's... only the GT3 will have a normally aspirated engine.

A race-spec cat should be no cat at all...which is like a $50 job from your local exhaust shop to cut it out and weld in a piece of pipe.

Can't be 100% certain, but I thought most of the major race series in Europe required cars to run cats.

 

[Luminis]

Is that rumor about the 4.0 GT3RS derivate confirmed to be about the 997? I mean, it would somewhat fit what I'd expect for the 991 GT3RS.

 

[Stotty]

Yes, the rumour is it will be the final swansong for the 997... and possibly the last time we'll see the Mezger engine in a Porsche road car

A 991 GT3 is a few years off yet... there's normally a coupe of years delay between a new 911 and the GT3 version.

 

[Luminis]

Yes, the rumour is it will be the final swansong for the 997... and possibly the last time we'll see the Mezger engine in a Porsche road car

A 991 GT3 is a few years off yet... there's normally a coupe of years delay between a new 911 and the GT3 version.

So that clears that up, thanks 👍
I mean, a 997 with a unrestricted, stroked Mezger engine would definitely a good way to say goodbye to the engine.

 

[Stotty]

So that clears that up, thanks 👍
I mean, a 997 with a unrestricted, stroked Mezger engine would definitely a good way to say goodbye to the engine.

It certainly would... 4.0, 500bhp, 9k+ rev limit

 

[Luminis]

It certainly would... 4.0, 500bhp, 9k+ rev limit

The engine is pure awesomeness either way. I mean, the 'regular' GT3RS manages 450HP from 3.8 litres of displacement... Other companies need turbochargers to do the same

But, good god, just imagine the sound of those four litres screaming when they're getting close to the red line. Car porn indeed.
...and then there are people who claim that there's no passion involved in a Porsche. Or that it's a squashed VW Beetle. Squashed Beetle, my arse.

 

[Stotty]

I have a really good friend with a gen 1 GT3... the noise as it approaches 8.5k is just amazing... it's such a pure, hard sound... and IMO, much nicer than the high pitched wail of something like a Ferrari 430.

Edit... shame Porsche can't make their turbocharged cars sound a little better... even with aftermarket exhausts they tend to sound quite dull. Hopefully they'll sort something out when they move all the road cars to turbocharged engines.

 

[Luminis]

The Ferraris double as BBQ grilles, though.

 

[Piket]

Requires mandatory training on delivery.

Being a Porsche fan, and very fond of the whole GT2RS project and idea, I can't help but see this as a FAIL.

 

[Stotty]

Not sure why anyone would see the driver tarining as a bad thing...

Even if you don't think you need it (and if you don't you're probably competing at a high level of motorsport) you get a chance to get professional tuition, on a track, in a GT2RS provided by Porsche (saving any wear and tear on your own car)... got to be a good thing

Some friends who've attended the Porsche driving centre at Silverstone say it's a great day out and the instructors are top draw.