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It's so acceptable that 90% of the forum finds it unacceptable. Amirite?![]()
And they wondered why we kept saying the poll was flawed đź’ˇ
(hint: no you're not )
It's so acceptable that 90% of the forum finds it unacceptable. Amirite?![]()
Yes, please do.I will leave the believing up to you as you seem to be quite good at it... I will stick to knowing and logically explaining to an audience that doesn't give a ****. 👍
Your opinion =/= LF.And they wondered why we kept saying the poll was flawed đź’ˇ
(hint: no you're not )
Yes, please do.
Your opinon =/= fact.try to be more logical.
I'm your only audience hon. <3 And I didn't count the ones that don't care.The irony is we are pretty much each other audience... we are both playing for no one, but I am at least doing it right
It's not opinion.... the fact is that you are counting people who voted "don't care" as people who find it unacceptable.
Sorry unnaceptable != don't care. So there you have it... wrong.
I'm your only audience hon. <3 And I didn't count the ones that don't care.
Yeah, sleeping is a good idea.Yes you did, you just don't realize it because the poll was flawed (hint read through the poll thread, some people specifically said "I don't care so I voted no" and I described in detail exactly why the poll was flawed and why "don't care" was wrongly included in No.
But that's ok, you won't like facing the fact so I don't expect you to step back from your flawed assumption
So anyway, I got things to go do, I have laid down the fact and argument and logic 7 ways from Sunday and have picked your arguments apart about as thoroughly so... have a fun being wrong by yourself!
Stop trying.
The feature to not have rewind should be in GT5. If people won't buy a real driving simulator without rewind in it, then so be it. PD isn't a charity.
I agree, but your main argument to include rewind everywhere is "I shouldn't force other people to play the way I want them to". But it's not me, it's PD. They include limitations in GT, not me. To talk about allowing rewind everywhere, is to talk about opening all the game's limitations. That would change the whole game, as allowing rewind everywhere would change the whole game.
GT is limited. It replicate real life races that are limited. I won't be surprised if they include races where you're forced to play with full damage on. I think they are right when they do that sort of thing. You may think otherwise, but I'm accepting the game for what it is, you're trying to change it.
All the more reason for rewind.Gran Turismo is real driving simulator. Fact
It kind of does. If youÂ’re saying restart has a leg up on realism, itÂ’s unlikely that next year the grid looks the same, and everyoneÂ’s cars are exactly the same. ItÂ’s sort of like youÂ’ve gone back in time. In any case, rewind in a sim does not simulate a race, it simulates a sim.Exiting out of a race and re-entering =/= rewinding.
This has been said by me and a few others a long time ago. Aside from linking it with PDÂ’s most likely action.This explains a lot. It's all about what your audience is able to accept. It doesn't matter if restarting a race is unrealistic, crashing and not dieing is unrealistic, having your car magically fixed after a race is unrealistic. We all grew with that sort of thing and learned to accept them. They don't break the realism.
Rewind in the other hand is new, foreign. It creates a break from reality that the other unrealistic things don't. It's not one of the "Acceptable breaks from reality" as a poll alreadyclearlymay showed. This surely supports the "because it's unrealistic" claim. It may not look logical at first, but that's only because the logic behind it is more complex than it seems.
That's most likely the reason why PD won't include rewind, regardless of it's advantages.
rewind is a great idea you know. we should implement in all games.
when you take free kicks in fifa or pro evo and miss the goal just rewind again.
when you get shot out by numerous helghast enemies in killzone just rewind.
when you cast an ineffectual magic spell in final fantasy just rewind
when you take a wrong note in singstar just rewind.
when you are going for 50 hit combo in god of war and you miss one combo just rewind.
when you are on the verge of doing a devastating attack combo in street fighter, tekken or king of fighters and you mistime one element of the attack, just rewind.
rewind for all games. why work for your kills, moves, combos, free kicks, when you have the power to go BACK!!
What the heck has rewind to do with the topic?
rewind is a great idea you know. we should implement in all games.
when you take free kicks in fifa or pro evo and miss the goal just rewind again.
when you get shot out by numerous helghast enemies in killzone just rewind.
when you cast an ineffectual magic spell in final fantasy just rewind
when you take a wrong note in singstar just rewind.
when you are going for 50 hit combo in god of war and you miss one combo just rewind.
when you are on the verge of doing a devastating attack combo in street fighter, tekken or king of fighters and you mistime one element of the attack, just rewind.
rewind for all games. why work for your kills, moves, combos, free kicks, when you have the power to go BACK!!
Correct me if I am wrong, but all tracks have sectors, or pre-determined sections of track used for timing.
I wouldn't mind a feature under time trial that allows you to pick a track and then opt for a full lap or select a certain sector.
The game would start in the same way a driver's challenge would. Putting your car at the right speed and position for the first corner. You would have a gold, silver, bronze time that you would try to achieve based on the car/tires/upgrades you are using just like GTPSP.
When you finished the lap/sector you get the finish screen with results, followed by the replay, then the reward screen if you earned a new trophy and credits. Finally an option to restart or try a different track/sector
At no time could you rewind anything other than replay.
Even if PD doesnt do the trophies and credits part, this feature would help you learn specific parts of a track without having to stop and turn around or going completely around.
Why (aimed at bold)? You're limiting one's ability to practice.
Thats nonesense.Rewind and sections go hand and hand, two great training tools fit for simulations. Some people disagree and assert sectors are superior and that it can do everything rewind can.
That's fine, I do not feel that my statments need a reply, if you don't want to debate, freely ignore me.Why? Because I dont think rewind should be in GT, other than in replays.
I have made my arguements on the 3 or 4 other threads about rewind. I dont feel like regurgitating them everytime someone dissagrees.
Well, you most definitely are taking away people's options. What if someone found rewind useful in some situation, as could be the case in numerous examples of rewind's greater accessibility to sections given in this thread. You'd deny them practice opportunities in all of those situations. And you'd also be hurting people who feel sections don't provide all the necessary training.I dont feel I am limiting one's ability to practice.
Thats nonesense.
This thread is about a special mode where you drive certain sections to practice, not something you use while racing.
Only if the lap you used it in wouldnt count for online leaderboards etc.Then, if rewind was limited to practice, would you have nothing against it?
Only if the lap you used it in wouldnt count for online leaderboards etc.
But then, why should i?
Practicing is okay, using it as a cheat to win races or climb up the online leaderbord not.
So basically what i'm trying to say is that there's simply no need for a mode like that, just like there's no need for rewind![]()
But your reasoning was made of nothing but opinion. The only fact was doing track laps will let you learn the track better, but that doesn't matter.
Sectors would be designed specifically to help you with a section. If you're using sections or rewind, you obviously know the track, minus a section or two.
This is something I don't get, people try to bring facts out of opinion.
Only if the lap you used it in wouldnt count for online leaderboards etc.
But then, why should i?
Practicing is okay, using it as a cheat to win races or climb up the online leaderbord not.
BTW vaioleto... following me into my profile messages because the forum thread wasn't enough... creepy... I know girls get stalked on the internet... it's even more weird when as a guy I get stalked![]()
I wasn't trying to bring facts out of opinion, I was simply stating my opinion, which is that driving around the whole course would be better than using a section or rewind.
obviously i'm not stating a fact
personally i wouldn't mind if either a sector or rewind was in GT5, I wouldn't use it, but thats just me, If some people want to use it thats just fine, if it helps them then by all means use it.
lol maybe i should have said "There's no need for a mode like that, just like there's no need for rewind (for me)"![]()
That is too funny! Great way To end the night.
I dont care about rewind, honestly. It will never be implemented in online races in GT5, and that is what matters. If it does show up in online races... Ill body slam my PS3, and then give it a Randy Savage leg drop! Then Ill hope it isnt broke so I can keep playing GT5![]()
License tests are a really good way to familiarize yourself with a corner or a section. A practice mode would be like a license test, but for every corner/section in the game.
It would be cool if you could choose one section in a track to practice, and it restarts as you get to the end of the section, so you keep doing it till you perfect it. For those that play an instrument, this is very similar. If you're having trouble with one section of a piano piece, you just play that section by itself over and over again until you can get it up to the same tempo as the rest of the piece. So... what do you think?
I did not get the point of that post. Rewind in online is an absurd idea. I thought you were anti rewind, but reading this, you seem to be in the same position as me.
Why not? wouldn't change a thing, and wouldn't have negative effects.