Pretty big OWNT

[exigeracer]

You make the judgement:



OH WAIT! There's more!



Ouch. It must feel insanely painful to know someone is making millions of dollars off of your work, and you rest with zero compensation.

 

[Delirious]

The question will arise, will legal implications happen now (probably) and if so, will the person who got ripped win the money back? (prolly not IMO)

 

[Keef]

OWNT? Copyright infringment? Hardly. Timbaland knows beats, and the original song has a nice beat, but terrible melody. The only thing simlar about those two songs is the beat. The instruments, melody, and lyrics are different.

And about the beat being the same, there are only so many beats that please the human ear. There are thousands upon thousands of songs out there that have the same bpm. You could lay them over top of eachother and you'd hardly tell the difference. Pretty much any good musician can replicate someone elses beat almost exactly, too.

I think a democrat made those videos.

EDIT: I'll vouch for the ringtone, since you can hear the original 8-bit sounds in the background of Timbaland's tone, but I believe Nelly's song to be different enough not to need legal action.

 

[exigeracer]

OWNT? Copyright infringment? Hardly. Timbaland knows beats, and the original song has a nice beat, but terrible melody. The only thing simlar about those two songs is the beat. The instruments, melody, and lyrics are different.

Uh... the melodies are the same. Listen up.

edit - BTW, love the little political comment. Makes you seem far more respectable.

 

[Omnis]

OWNT? Copyright infringment? Hardly. Timbaland knows beats, and the original song has a nice beat, but terrible melody. The only thing simlar about those two songs is the beat. The instruments, melody, and lyrics are different.

And about the beat being the same, there are only so many beats that please the human ear. There are thousands upon thousands of songs out there that have the same bpm. You could lay them over top of eachother and you'd hardly tell the difference. Pretty much any good musician can replicate someone elses beat almost exactly, too.

I think a democrat made those videos.

EDIT: I'll vouch for the ringtone, since you can hear the original 8-bit sounds in the background of Timbaland's tone, but I believe Nelly's song to be different enough not to need legal action.

You've lost the inkling of respect I had for j00. Timbaland is a total asshole.

 

[Danoff]

Sounds like something to be determined in a courtroom. The ringtone was far more like the original than the Nelly song. But having the same producer and being as similar as they were, I think the Nelly song is suspect.

 

[CDailey]

I saw this a few days ago on ytmnd.com. Timbaland definately ripped the melody. I agree that "Tempest" should take him to court and sue the pants off him.

 

[Keef]

Hey now, I thought the democrat thing was funny.

I still think Nelly's song has enough differences to not matter, but I suppose that since Timbaland had chopped that song before with the ringtone (which is horrible, by the way) that it could need looked into, like Dan said. The ringtone obviously still has the original instruments in it though. So my opinion still stands.

But at least he didn't rip off a good song, like something by Phil Collins.

 

[Omnis]

Didn't something similar with copyright melody infringement happen with George Harrison?

 

[Delirious]

Well...technically, isn't it just the lyrics that can be copyrighted?

e.g. Weird Al, I believe he has had lawsuits but I do not know if he has lost any...correct me anyone?

 

[Omnis]

Well...technically, isn't it just the lyrics that can be copyrighted?

e.g. Weird Al, I believe he has had lawsuits but I do not know if he has lost any...correct me anyone?

Weird Al gets permission from all of the people he parodies and their respective labels. He only got sued by Coolio's label after making the Amish Paradise song and getting permission from Coolio (but not his label) beforehand.

 

[skip0110]

Make your own decisions, but make sure they are informed.

The third factor assesses the quantity or percentage of the original copyrighted work that has been imported into the new work. In general, the less that is used in relation to the whole, e.g., a few sentences of a text for a book review, the more likely that the sample will be considered fair use. Yet see Sony Corp. v. Universal City Studios for a case in which substantial copying—entire programs for private viewing—was upheld as fair use. Likewise, see Kelly v. Arriba Soft Corporation,where the Ninth Circuit held that copying an entire photo to use as a thumbnail in online search results did not weigh against fair use, "if the secondary user only copies as much as is necessary for his or her intended use." Conversely, in Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc. v. Nation Enters,[8] the use of less than 400 words from President Ford's memoir by a political opinion magazine was interpreted as infringement because those few words represented "the heart of the book" and were, as such, substantial.

Before 1991, sampling in certain genres of music was accepted practice and such copyright considerations as these were viewed as largely irrelevant. The infamously strict decision against rapper Biz Markie's appropriation of a Gilbert O'Sullivan song in the case Grand Upright v. Warner[9] changed practices and opinions overnight. Samples now had to be licensed, as long as they rose "to a level of legally cognizable appropriation".[10] In other words, de minimis sampling was still considered fair and free because, traditionally, "the law does not care about trifles." The recent Sixth Circuit Court decision in the appeal to Bridgeport Music has reversed this standing, eliminating the de minimis defense for samples of recorded music, but stating that the decision did not apply to fair use.

Personally, I think that the melody should not be copyrighted...just consider this:

 

[Gen.]

Nickleback does this all the time with their own songs.

 

[Wolfe]

I doubt anything will come of this, but it's still a shame. The melody and instrumentation were both quite obviously ripped, especially with the ringtone.

Personally, I think that the melody should not be copyrighted...just consider this:

That video, though entertaining, is referring to chord progression, not melody. It's almost completely impossible to create a never-before-heard Chord progression, but melody is different -- for example, Coldplay asked Kraftwerk for permission just to use a 3-4 second clip of the melody from "Computer Love" for Coldplay's "Talk," even though it was played on a completely different instrument (guitar vs synth), and was used in a song with a completely different chord progression, feel, and beat.

Yet you think Timbaland did nothing wrong in using the same exact melody in its entirety, with the same synth, the same back-up synths, and same bassline, without even talking to the original artist, much less paying him?

This is more than just a case of one melody sounding "similar" to another.

Nickleback does this all the time with their own songs.

 

[Keef]

In case anyone doesn't know, the music, melody, beat, whatever it is in Skip's video was by a band called Journey. The was is Don't Stop Believing. It's an old song, from the 80s I think. THe first set of lyrics he sings are from a song by Blink 182, which is only about 5 years old. I tihnk there might be some Kelly Clarkson in there, but I can't bear to listen to that.

 

[TopHat]

Tempest = Ringtone = Nelly song.

Timbaland = phail.

 

[Shannon]

There's only one copyright when it comes to the record industry — make it famous before someone else does.

 

[FoolKiller]

I hear "sampling" in music so much nowadays that something like this doesn't even phase me. I watched the videos and pretty much said, "And?" Honestly, Timbaland could just say he sampled the beat and be done with it. His only issue is he called it originial, which it appears to not be.

Yet you think Timbaland did nothing wrong in using the same exact melody in its entirety, with the same synth, the same back-up synths, and same bassline, without even talking to the original artist, much less paying him?

I'm not challenging the validity of your statement, but does anyone know whether Timbaland did or didn't talk to the original artist? I mean, for all we know he could have given him verbal permission. I'm just curious if anyone has his side of this story.

In case anyone doesn't know, the music, melody, beat, whatever it is in Skip's video was by a band called Journey. The was is Don't Stop Believing. It's an old song, from the 80s I think.

You think? I hope you are just pretending to not know Journey to save face. Just in case:

Time to educate. I may be a decade older than you but I also know golden oldies music. Ask your parents to let you borrow their records (large black vinyl discs with circlular engravings) so you can learn about some great music (Journey would not be included in this, unless you like power ballads). I suggest you start with Led Zeppelin.




"Steve Perry. Steve Perry."
"Dude, we said no more Journey psyche outs"

 

[PLmatt91]

Timbaland = Noob stick.

I don't know how to spell his name, what ever, but I never liked any of his beats. Nelly Furatdo should go back to her hippey ( spell check? ) ways with flying like a bird, and Timbaland shouldn't be producing music any more. He stole almost every beat from some one else in the music industry and called it his own by making it better.

 

[ND4SPD]

Skip's video was awesome, anyone know where I can find those piano chords? I wanna try that out for myself.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

Nickleback does this all the time with their own songs.

They truly are the epitome of generic rock.

 

[exigeracer]

Here's some follow-up information on the side of the Swedish musician here.

He literally stole the whole musical line to build this song around. I talked to Tempest and he told me that it's no use going to court, eventhough Scene.org supplied papers saying the song got uploaded on their servers in 2000. Fighting a big corporation like Geffen costs tons of money and time, which he does not have.

You think? I hope you are just pretending to not know Journey to save face. Just in case:

It's not my era either, and I definitely know Journey. I slot them in with other 80s star-rock bands, and listen to them on occasion for pure entertainment value. Like Dexy's Midnight Runners or Big Country.

Solid.

ND - IIRC Don't Stop Believing is E, B, C#m, A

PS - thank you to the individual who fixed my video links.

 

[Wolfe]

I'm not challenging the validity of your statement, but does anyone know whether Timbaland did or didn't talk to the original artist? I mean, for all we know he could have given him verbal permission. I'm just curious if anyone has his side of this story.

Good point, but I failed to mention that I had already seen the Digg article that exigeracer just posted, where the artist, Tempest, didn't deny that Timbaland ripped him off.

...Timbaland shouldn't be producing music any more. He stole almost every beat from some one else in the music industry and called it his own by making it better.

In the case presented by this thread, I wouldn't really call it "better."

Skip's video was awesome, anyone know where I can find those piano chords? I wanna try that out for myself.

I can't find any place that offers sheet music for it for free, but I managed to clip this from a "preview sample" on one of the websites. All the guy did in the video was repeat this excerpt over and over again, anyway:

 

[fatman_5050]

All the guy did in the video was repeat this excerpt over and over again,

Speaking of that video, how bad must it be to be the guy's buddy trying to play something, Xbox I think? Not that his playing or singing was bad, in fact it's far better than I could do, that just had to be annoying, especially if it took more than one take to get right.

 

[FoolKiller]

It's not my era either, and I definitely know Journey. I slot them in with other 80s star-rock bands, and listen to them on occasion for pure entertainment value. Like Dexy's Midnight Runners or Big Country.

Having spent 10 years of my life as a very young child in the 80's may I recommend you also listen to......None of it. You'll thank me later.

I was going to rant on about 80's music, but it would be extremely off-topic.

 

[exigeracer]

Hey, there was still some pretty decent music in the 80s. I'm thinking along the lines of earlier Soul Asylum and Social Distortion.

 

[FoolKiller]

Hey, there was still some pretty decent music in the 80s. I'm thinking along the lines of earlier Soul Asylum and Social Distortion.

Merely the beginnings of the early 90's alternative music, which was quite possibly the greatest musical trend I have witnessed in my lifetime (and second greatest ever in my opinion). Ah, it shall be missed.

I'll admit that even though music was horrible and the world went through its disco-club-new age-power ballads 70s to 80s phase good music still lived in the background.

And this is the only reason why I still have any hope right now. The current trend in music is back to this club dancing pop sampled crap that makes me want to rip my ears off, but in small clubs all across America you can still find the bands that have an actual creative streak in them and know how to write their one music and lyrics, as well as play the instruments. We've become obsessed with American Idol (and its overseas versions) and the world falls in love with these people that can manage to carry tune while singing someone else's song. Then we rush out to buy their music so we can hear them sing a new song that was written and played by someone else. And this is the same reason why I am not surprised, and barely care, that Timbaland stole a beat from some guy in another country. If it wasn't this he would have grabbed it from someone else who actually has talent (and I swung it back on topic for a second).

But while this is going on you will find me in small bar/club venues paying less than $10 to watch artists that know how to write, sing, and play a song. Ten years ago (give or take a few years) I was in the mosh pit at a Rob Zombie/Korn concert getting a black eye or the Zebrahead/Wheatus concert watching kids outmaneuver the security so they could stage dive. Today I am thinking about buying Sevendust tickets for $12 at a local bar. I used to listen to the radio all the time, now I download music podcasts. What the hell happened? [/RANT] (I knew it would happen eventually)

 

[ND4SPD]

Thanks for the chords, I'm gonna go to my piano now.

 

[exigeracer]

Fool - there is definitely some very good music being produced these days, it is just up to you to go out and look for it, be it on the local scene or on the internet. I can turn on the radio and be disgusted by people panicking at discos or boys falling out, and no matter how disappointed I get from mainstream music, nothing makes me feel better than picking up a guitar and playing something on my own. The sound of my own strumming and my own voice achieves a greater musical pleasure that even the great artists from 10 or 30 years ago can give me.

No matter how bad it gets, you can always leave it up to yourself to improve things, even if it isn't by being onstage or infront of a crowd, even if it's just you and your instrument playing some tunes, it'll all feel better.

 

[FoolKiller]

Fool - there is definitely some very good music being produced these days, it is just up to you to go out and look for it, be it on the local scene or on the internet. I can turn on the radio and be disgusted by people panicking at discos or boys falling out, and no matter how disappointed I get from mainstream music, nothing makes me feel better than picking up a guitar and playing something on my own. The sound of my own strumming and my own voice achieves a greater musical pleasure that even the great artists from 10 or 30 years ago can give me.

No matter how bad it gets, you can always leave it up to yourself to improve things, even if it isn't by being onstage or infront of a crowd, even if it's just you and your instrument playing some tunes, it'll all feel better.

I have minimal musical talent. I mean, I can barely keep a beat. I can play a stereo with the best of them though.

And I nearly quoted a very tasteless Bloodhound Gang joke about not being able to hold a note or carry a tune. I have a feeling that would have gotten me my first ever warning.