PS3 General Discussion

[Dave A]

Nice info, btw sprite, cool avatar.

 

[Max_DC]

Sorry to bring this up again, but speed tree isnt just a tree system for planting static ok looking trees, these trees will react to fan blades of choppers, or the draft from a speeding car, in a very realistic way, using ragdoll type physics (like the stuff from far cry & HL2).

Also these trees are self shading, this means that originally all the shadows in a game were painted onto an flat polygon then layerd onto the road (like in GT4) then an alpha map is used to fade the edges and add any types of patters (like when light shines through a fence) but this is all pree determined on the ps2 from the start of development of a track (a), But with the power od the ps3 we will see self shadowing (like the stuff in high end pc games now), and this is just like what happens in real life, but they wont just cast shadows on the ground, they will cast shadows on each other and on themselfs (b) (hence the term "self shadowing") this saves alot of time painting shadow textures and organising alpha maps and also it saves on space, but you need the peower to do it of course.

Yeah I really hope that this will be a standart in this generation.... and of course trees are only one part of the real deal, animals, people moving objects and a nice sky hopefully follow... I'M just thinking of a Halo kind of game... exploring foreign planets or ringworlds filled with plenty of life will be awesome....

 

[Solid Lifters]

Microsoft Boss Attacks Sony PS3
Posted Dec 17, 2005, 9:59 AM ET



A Microsoft boss insists that the forthcoming Sony PlayStation 3 will not be able to compete with the Xbox 360.


Microsoft's Peter Moore, who oversees marketing and first-party game development for the Xbox 360 said that the Sony PlayStation 3 will be inferior to the Xbox 360.

You tell that to all the people that thought Xbox 360 was going to have super-duper DVD technology, and all the people that are already disappointed in the lack of Xbox 360 units available, while some consumers call the Xbox 360 launch the most horrible and mismanaged launch for a video game console.

Speaking about Sony PlayStation 3, let's not forget what the die-hard fans of Sony PS3 thought in Japan. You know, Sony-land. Japan consumers made it clear that the Microsoft Xbox 360 isn't the same type of next-gen console they wanted. Afterall, Sony is promising all the DVD and HD goodies for the PlayStation 3.

I am sure that most of the gamers in Japan just laughed at what they saw, after learning a bit on what the Sony has planned for the PS3.

Microsoft is left with complete embarassment after the Japan launch. Xbox 360 retailers in Japan still have plenty of stock on shelves. Shoppers are just walking by.

Meanwhile, there is a shortage in North America and Europe, causing Xbox 360 pre-order consumers to become angry, and perhaps, regretful that they even placed any money for this console. Still waiting, since mid-November, still no Xbox 360.

Amazon really messed up this launch even further by taking November pre-orders, then launching some "early-bird" special to allow new consumers to buy the Xbox 360 right away. Again, putting the Xbox 360 pre-order consumers back on the bottom of the stack.

Microsoft does promise new shipments before Christmas, but not that many. Here we go again, another "2 or 4" Xbox 360 consoles for eachr Wal-Mart!

How long

can this go on before the game market shifts to Sony PlayStation 3? If Microsoft really wants us to believe that the Xbox 360 is this giant-muscle console that will dominate Sony PlayStation 3, they are wishing. I mean, it's another marketing hype thing.

I am sure when Sony or Nintendo Revolution launches their game consoles, it won't be the total disaster we've seen with Microsoft. The largest software company in the world has an excuse for everything -- on why there are shortages, and why their console is the best.

And now comes the dreadful noise from a Microsoft top boss trying to convince people that the Sony PS3 cannot compete with the Microsoft Xbox 360. Geeze, not so fast there, Microsoft. Get your own problems fixed before making such accusations.

 

[code_kev]

I am sure that most of the gamers in Japan just laughed at what they saw, after learning a bit on what the Sony has planned for the PS3.

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Emotion engine?

Ahh sorry.

Every company talks crap. Get used to it. The Japanese are also famous for snubbing anything from the US regarding technology.

 

[Jay]

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Emotion engine?

Ahh sorry.

Every company talks crap. Get used to it.

I agree pretty much every company does talk crap, but please point out situations where Sony has publically said that Xbox360 will not be able to compete or something similar. (I have seen this multipule times out of Microsoft)

I personally cant remember anywhere Sony has said anything bad about the 360.

 

[Dave A]

Sony have been clever, they've frustrated and wound up MS without actually doing much at all. They've got the fans to do all the XB360 citicising for them and thats got MS to criticise Sony and the PS3 directly whihc is a bad move for them because it makes them look worried. I don't doubt for one second that the PS3 will be the superior hardware, but that means jack without the quality software to back it up. With the XB360 there are some good games out and due out, but nothing the actually makes me think, yeah it's time to scrap the PS2 and upgrade to an XB360, and there lies the problem with the XB360 for me, sure it's good, but it does nothing other than offer better graphics that arn't much better than my PC offers right now.

 

[Solid Lifters]

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Emotion engine?

Ahh sorry.

Every company talks crap. Get used to it. The Japanese are also famous for snubbing anything from the US regarding technology.

Point out when Sony said something childish, stupid and negative about the XBox360.

Point out what US technology the Japanese should love.

 

[Dave A]

Well Sony did go on about the PS3 being twice as powerful as the XB360 which was rather misleading, but as I said other than that they've been clever and let their fans do the XB bashing and thats pissed MS off, MS arn't as experienced at this type of thing as Sony are and it shows. They'd normally just buy out their rivals, but they'd have to be mad to think they could buy Sony .

 

[tha_con]

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Emotion engine?

Ahh sorry.

Every company talks crap. Get used to it. The Japanese are also famous for snubbing anything from the US regarding technology.

Come on code. You know the emotion engine arguement is retarded, why press it on? Because you feel sony betrayed you? We've gone over it a million times. There are MORE PS2 games that have great facial expressions than there are Xbox games. !!!

The point of the emotion engine is not to make you cry code, and YOU are taking it too literally. It was explained by sony over and over again what the purpose of the emotion engine was, you just could never understand it.

To display emotion by facial expression.

Accomplished? YES.


Your arguement now? DESTROYED.



GAME OVER I PWN FTW HAR HAR HAR!!!

 

[Omnis]

Come on code. You know the emotion engine arguement is retarded, why press it on? Because you feel sony betrayed you? We've gone over it a million times. There are MORE PS2 games that have great facial expressions than there are Xbox games. !!!

The point of the emotion engine is not to make you cry code, and YOU are taking it too literally. It was explained by sony over and over again what the purpose of the emotion engine was, you just could never understand it.

To display emotion by facial expression.

Accomplished? YES.


Your arguement now? DESTROYED.



GAME OVER I PWN FTW HAR HAR HAR!!!

You stole my sequenced Hars. Ass.

Anyway, microscro are just a bunch of douchebags. I feel like Microsoft is the class jock/douchebag, but Sony is the genius nerd. 3 cheers for all the nerds.

 

[tha_con]

You stole my sequenced Hars. Ass.

Anyway, microscro are just a bunch of douchebags. I feel like Microsoft is the class jock/douchebag, but Sony is the genius nerd. 3 cheers for all the nerds.

HAR HAR HAR!!!

Actually, the "har" has a very profound following on Tekken Zaibatsu, we love it's use. It is so wonderful, and capable of so many emotions when followed by a smiley. Har is in fact the best thing ever created.


Next to the emotion engine.




HAR HAR HAR!!!

 

[LaBounti]

Maybe its a tough sell in Japan only because of this......

Subaru360

j/k

 

[code_kev]

Come on code. You know the emotion engine arguement is retarded, why press it on? Because you feel sony betrayed you?

Umm no. I used it to point out that companys talk crap, and they do. They all hype what they sell.

We've gone over it a million times. There are MORE PS2 games that have great facial expressions than there are Xbox games. !!!

Tha_con, your a smart guy, but that is simply the most retarded statement I've ever read. It doesn't even make sense, I mean, duh, the ps2 has more games, yet you seem to think that quantity = quality. Oh Half Life 2. That's on the xbox. That has the best facial animations of just about any game this gen, but shock horror, no emotion engine.

The point of the emotion engine is not to make you cry code, and YOU are taking it too literally. It was explained by sony over and over again what the purpose of the emotion engine was, you just could never understand it.

To display emotion by facial expression.

Accomplished? YES.

So you think that the fact that it's called the emotion engine means it can render facial expressions better then say an xbox? That's farking stupid. It comes down to the skill of the animators. That and the raw computing power needed to render the stuff. See Half Life 2.

Your arguement now? DESTROYED.

Your come back, pathetic at best.

GAME OVER I PWN FTW HAR HAR HAR!!!

ummm...

I also love this "sony are the little under dog company who love us long time" thing going on. Don't be farking stupid. Sony are just as bad, you forgetting the spyware on cds thing? OH NOES!

Point out when Sony said something childish, stupid and negative about the XBox360.

Really, I couldn't care less.

 

[Lamboracer]

I really havent seen you around much code kev, it seems that last year you and was it viper zero were arguing abotu gt4. Now have you picked up fighting people as a XBOX360 fanboy, no disrepect of course.

 

[code_kev]

Lamboracer, here's a little thing you should know:

No where in my above post did I say "the 360 is better", nor did I compare the ps3 to the 360 in a biased light. Just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean I all of a sudden "bum" the 360, or that I have joined the "other team", the dark side, the 360 side.

 

[James2097]

Lets face it Code, you're always talking about fanboy-ey console wars stuff, which system is better etc. Regardless of whether you are a fanboy of anything isn't the point. You have arguments about whether or not you're a fanboy so often that maybe and just maybe, you ARE a fanboy. A fanboy of arguing you're not a fanboy - or something. :LOL:

 

[a6m5]

The Japanese are also famous for snubbing anything from the US regarding technology.

Famous for what?.... This is false. It's the same thing American government accused Japanese of, back in the 80's. We didn't buy American cars, electronics, etc. not because they were American, but because they weren't very good. Today, Japanese loves many things America has to offer that are good, but Xbox fanboys likes to blame Japanese consumers for not giving into Xbox because it's from the United States. Is that why Sony is just destroying Apple iPods in Japan?[/sarcasm]

Personally, I think Xbox and 360s are fine consoles. Am I ever going to own one of them? Probably not. I'm Japanese and games for Sony and Nintendo is more suited for my taste, it has nothing to do with Microsoft being based in Washington. MS is pretty much a local company, I live in Oregon which is in the NorthWest region that also Washington(state) is in.

Sorry code_kev, I didn't want to go off on you, but when you start false accusation about people you obviously don't know much about, I've got to say something in defense.

 

[tha_con]

Just like Old times I love it!! I missed it so much man Now we're back to normal.

Umm no. I used it to point out that companys talk crap, and they do. They all hype what they sell.



Tha_con, your a smart guy, but that is simply the most retarded statement I've ever read. It doesn't even make sense, I mean, duh, the ps2 has more games, yet you seem to think that quantity = quality. Oh Half Life 2. That's on the xbox. That has the best facial animations of just about any game this gen, but shock horror, no emotion engine.



So you think that the fact that it's called the emotion engine means it can render facial expressions better then say an xbox? That's farking stupid. It comes down to the skill of the animators. That and the raw computing power needed to render the stuff. See Half Life 2.



Your come back, pathetic at best.



ummm...

I also love this "sony are the little under dog company who love us long time" thing going on. Don't be farking stupid. Sony are just as bad, you forgetting the spyware on cds thing? OH NOES!



Really, I couldn't care less.

To put my original post in perspective.

There are far many PS2 games with wonderfully done facial animations than there are Xbox titles with wonderfully done facial animations.

Does it come down to power? No, it comes down to developer talent.

However, given that Sony's goal was to show and tell, they named the chip the emotion engine.

Even at the initial press conference, KK said "the emotion engine will display new capabilities for facial expression never before seen by a console".

Did he lie? No.

Did he "over exaggerate" ? No.

The PS2 had more polygon power than the Dreamcast, and could better display facial animation.

Dreamcast, however, had much better texture support, which is why games were able to look on par /better than PS2 launch titles.

However, the fact remains, the name was not given without just cause. It lives up to the title, it is capable of displaying emotion, (note: ratchet and clank, Jak series, God of War, DMC, MGS, Kingdom Hearts, Silent Hill, Tekken, SCIII, and many other games I would not like to take the time to mention right now).

Point is, Sony knows how to market. Did they wow us? Yes, did they overpromise? No. They have not once shown us ONE thing in a tech demo that the PS2 is not capable of. Ever. Not once.


So, take it with a grain of salt, but they are a business, but they ahven't "lied" or "hyped" anything that isn't true.

 

[code_kev]

Even at the initial press conference, KK said "the emotion engine will display new capabilities for facial expression never before seen by a console".

Did he lie? No.

Did he "over exaggerate" ? No.

Calling it the emotion engine suggests that it has some special kind of hardware features for doing faces, emotion/ AI etc etc. It doesn't. All it is, is a chip which for the time could chuck out alot of polygons.

So yes, sony over exaggerated, but business is business.

Those games you listed could easily be done on any of the other consoles out now.

And my statement about the japanese was abit over the top, but regarding consoles, it's pretty true.

 

[a6m5]

And my statement about the japanese may have been abit over the top, but regarding consoles, it's pretty true.

No, it is not. For Microsoft and their fans, it's easier to just blame their problems on the Japanese, saying Japanese people are biased and hate American this and that. True problem lies in the lack of Microsoft's ability to adapt to the Japanese gaming market. Make something they want, they will buy it. It is as simple as that.

 

[James2097]

No, it is not. For Microsoft and their fans, it's easier to just blame their problems on the Japanese, saying Japanese people are biased and hate American this and that. True problem lies in the lack of Microsoft's ability to adapt to the Japanese gaming market. Make something they want, they will buy it. It is as simple as that.

Right on mate. 👍

Code is such a M$ fanboi. LOL.

 

[F1GTR]

Yes! Back to the good old times! Should I open up a GT5 vs Forza 2 thread now?

 

[Solid Lifters]

You know, I'm betting code_kev is such an ignorant jackass, that he thinks black people don't purchase the XBox360 because they eat too much fried chicken and watermelon, that their fingers are too greasy to use the controlers. 👍 It's also nice to see he can be prejudice against people as well as game consoles.

Way to contribute to this thread, you bigoted bastard! 👍

 

[Omnis]

You know, I'm betting code_kev is such an ignorant jackass, that he thinks black people don't purchase the XBox360 because they eat too much fried chicken and watermelon, that their fingers are too greasy to use the controlers. 👍 It's also nice to see he can be prejudice against people as well as game consoles.

Way to contribute to this thread, you bigoted bastard! 👍

Lmfao. 👍

 

[Maven]

Calling it the emotion engine suggests that it has some special kind of hardware features for doing faces, emotion/ AI etc etc.

Then I'm afraid that the fault is with you, Code, for making an assumption about something based on its name. Sony gave their chip a name rather than some alpha-numeric code and just said that it will allow better facial characteristics. The one that believed that it was something incredibly powerful and different was you, with no help from Sony.

Don't blame Sony's cleverness for your foolishness.

 

[Dave A]

Guys don't resrot to flaming, that'll just get the thread closed. With regards to Code, he may come across as a fanboy but he's only really saying don't judge the consoles before they're both out, don't go around saing the PS3 is the **** and will kill everything else, until it's out, in that regard I agree with him, there are commetns of his I don't but on a whole his overall point is not wrong. The emotion engine as misleading mainly because of the press, they hyped it to heaven and back over here.

 

[KENJIusa]

True problem lies in the lack of Microsoft's ability to adapt to the Japanese gaming market. Make something they want, they will buy it. It is as simple as that.

That's right, you release a console with a few crappy games (to the japanese taste) and expect people will line up and buy them?...har har har 👎

 

[tha_con]

Calling it the emotion engine suggests that it has some special kind of hardware features for doing faces, emotion/ AI etc etc. It doesn't. All it is, is a chip which for the time could chuck out alot of polygons.

So yes, sony over exaggerated, but business is business.

Those games you listed could easily be done on any of the other consoles out now.

And my statement about the japanese was abit over the top, but regarding consoles, it's pretty true.

Come on Code, where's the guy I know of old.

It does have "special kind of hardware features" to render a lot of polygons, for facial features, and for that same reason it can keep up with the same AI of Xbox games.


Seriously code, from just a pure power perspective, the PS2 looks weaker than anything, but because of it's architecture, it is able to do some amazing things, the cause of this is it's processor, the EMOTION ENGINE.


Also, I won't agree with you being an MS fanboy, that's just rediculous, so even though I think you're amazingly wrong with the EE bashing haha, I will say everyone trying to tag you as an MS fanboy is immature.


Solid_Lifters - Shut your pie hole, I'm reporting your post to the mod's, this is like the third time I've seen you get extremely derragatory with members, displaying only your OWN ignorance and prejudice for members who do not agree with you.

 

[livemusic]

I think both of you make good points, worth the reading. Sometimes a little biased, but not "fanboy material" in my opinion. But we should keep this thread's focus on the PS3.

 

[Omnis]

Come on Code, where's the guy I know of old.

It does have "special kind of hardware features" to render a lot of polygons, for facial features, and for that same reason it can keep up with the same AI of Xbox games.


Seriously code, from just a pure power perspective, the PS2 looks weaker than anything, but because of it's architecture, it is able to do some amazing things, the cause of this is it's processor, the EMOTION ENGINE.


Also, I won't agree with you being an MS fanboy, that's just rediculous, so even though I think you're amazingly wrong with the EE bashing haha, I will say everyone trying to tag you as an MS fanboy is immature.


Solid_Lifters - Shut your pie hole, I'm reporting your post to the mod's, this is like the third time I've seen you get extremely derragatory with members, displaying only your OWN ignorance and prejudice for members who do not agree with you.

True. But, it was still funny.