PS3 General Discussion

[Max_DC]

I will be buying a PS3 purely for GT series and GTA series.

If you are into racing there is a lot more... Enthusia, Kaido Battle, Battle Gear, Shutokou Battle, Colin McRae Rally just to mention a few....

 

[KENJIusa]

I bought the PS2 for Winning eleven 7 International alone, and now, I will buy the PS3 because I am deeply in love with the PS2 👍

 

[Raghavan]

Really depends on your favorite genres. Fps, mmorpg's for example are well represented on PC, other genres aren't... jump n'runs, beat'em up's, japanese style rpg's, racing games : best games of these genres are on consoles... upgradability is an advantage ??? haha, just buy every new console and you have new hardware every 1-2 years... full compatibility included

:shrugs:
I prefer a PC, and instead of buying a new console everytime it comes out and spending 400+ bucks, just use that to upgrade your computer, and you've still got new hardware each time.
Besides, with the Xbox 360's controller being USB, you can use that for all your games.
But playing COD2 on the PC is much easier than on the XBOX 360. The keyboard is more spread out, and with the controllers, i end up hitting the wrong buttons mutliple times.

 

[Max_DC]

I prefer a PC, and instead of buying a new console everytime it comes out and spending 400+ bucks, just use that to upgrade your computer, and you've still got new hardware each time.
Besides, with the Xbox 360's controller being USB, you can use that for all your games.
But playing COD2 on the PC is much easier than on the XBOX 360. The keyboard is more spread out, and with the controllers, i end up hitting the wrong buttons mutliple times.

Well, what does it take to buy new Ram, new grafic card new motherboard new everything every 2 or 3 years ? 2000 bucks? the price can't be the reason.
Concerning Cod2...it works perfect with the pad, you just need to get used to it...
( btw I also play on PC, for example 160 hours BF2 )

 

[Raghavan]

Well, what does it take to buy new Ram, new grafic card new motherboard new everything every 2 or 3 years ? 2000 bucks? the price can't be the reason.
Concerning Cod2...it works perfect with the pad, you just need to get used to it...
( btw I also play on PC, for example 160 hours BF2 )

Do it one thing at a time. Buy RAM and a a Graphics card one year, the motherboard and processor the next time a console it out. And consoles don't come out every 2 to 3 years. Besides, i got my Ram, GPU, and motherboard and processor for less than $600, so i don't know where you got the $2000 from.

 

[LaBounti]

troll?. you add nothing to the topic and this could have been clipped into to just about any topic about games. Thats nice that you have your opinion. But anyone who likes video games and knows the ins and outs of them wouldn't say pc gaming is the way to go. You are forgetting the number one thing, the games. Consoles have far better games than pc.

All you talk about is hardware and not games.

 

[Dave A]

I've spen £130 on my PC over the last 3 years, the graphics it can pull are great.

 

[Raghavan]

troll?. you add nothing to the topic and this could have been clipped into to just about any topic about games. Thats nice that you have your opinion. But anyone who likes video games and knows the ins and outs of them wouldn't say pc gaming is the way to go. You are forgetting the number one thing, the games. Consoles have far better games than pc.

All you talk about is hardware and not games.

There are tons of good games for the PC. Who cares if i can't play GT4? There is a great selection of games on the PC.
Fry's electronics in my area has twice the number of PC games over PS2 games.

 

[KENJIusa]

guys, please come back to the topic, this is THE NEW PS3 thread, not PC hardware, pc games, COD2 or Xbox 360 thread.

 

[tha_con]

The price of a PC is far greater than the price of a console.

With a console you see a one time cost for $400 bucks for nearly 4 to 5 years.

With a PC you are going to HAVE to upgrade at least twice during that time period, in which you will have purchased 2 video cards, and more than likely more memory. Depending ont he age of your system, but the point is, PC gaming is ALWAYS more expensive.

Over the course of 2 generations, the average PC gamer will have spent nearly two to three times the amount of money in comparison to a console gamer.

Also, it's noteable that PC's may have *more* games, however, the quality is often shadowed in comparison to Console games. If you want proof, you can go to gamestop and look at the scores of the say, top 50 games on each console and PC, I'm pretty sure that Console's will come out on top with a higher average than PC's.


ALSO. it is very important to note that most PC games, when played online, require a subscription (MMORPG's) or other services. Even in the case of the 360, it is more affordable to pay the once a year XBL fee, or no fee with Playstation online.

Cost is important to me, and if I can attain better playability with a console, for a lower price, and more fun...that's the route I'm going.

Also note that Consoles are compatible with Mouse/Keyboard configurations, just depends on the developer. But PS2 had a few titles that used both, and I do believe PS3 will feature the same. 360 is capable..but developer support wasn't there, and there was also no hardware from MS available.

 

[LaBounti]

guys, please come back to the topic, this is THE NEW PS3 thread, not PC hardware, pc games, COD2 or Xbox 360 thread.

Thats what I said basically. And Raghavan your reply is all i need to stay out of a discussion with you. Think about what you said.

 

[Dave A]

ALSO. it is very important to note that most PC games, when played online, require a subscription (MMORPG's) or other services. Even in the case of the 360, it is more affordable to pay the once a year XBL fee, or no fee with Playstation online.

While I agree with the rest of your post or understand your opinion regarding cost, this statement is well off. most PC games are completely free to play online, mmorpgs are the only ones where you pay for them and I was under the impression that you did on consoles as well. Theres no fee to play any pc game I own online be it GTR, LFS, CoD2, BF2, BF2:SF ect, they're all free to play. I'd say 95%+ of PC games you can play online are free to do so. It's this reason I've never bothered to pay the extra subription fee from an ISP to get a console connected.

 

[tha_con]

Thanks L4S, you're right, and I did mean MMORPG's specifically. I should have said so, instead of generalizing.


Another point: Play any PC game on it's lowest setting. It looks horrible. No settings on console games. If you can honestly tell me anyone can stand to play a game on the lowest setting, knowing full well they paid for what they see on the box...then I'll call you a liar. Most people actually upgrade AFTER purchasing a game that they cannot "run at full spec". It's the cycle, and it's money.

I prefer to have the constant gratification to know that any game I buy will look just as good and i don't need to spend anything extra.


PS3 will make a big splash here in about 20 day's....be prepared We'll see some cool stuff.

 

[Dave A]

Consoles are like the cheap and cheerful way of gaming imo, you just pop the disk in and away you go, no installing, no setting up, no tweaking the graphics for optimum performance on your system. Personally I like playing games on my PC and my console, the PS3 could be the console to take gaming away from the PC for a long time for someone like me with the potential it has.

 

[a6m5]

Consoles are like the cheap and cheerful way of gaming imo, you just pop the disk in and away you go, no installing, no setting up, no tweaking the graphics for optimum performance on your system. Personally I like playing games on my PC and my console, the PS3 could be the console to take gaming away from the PC for a long time for someone like me with the potential it has.

Exactly. 👍 Isn't this comparing apples & oranges? If you are talking about how PC gaming is superior to console gaming, I think you are missing the whole point of console gaming. If either PC or consoles are not for you, that's fine. It's really up to you, ins't it? I dont' think one's better than the other. Apples & oranges.

 

[Robin]

I never really jumped on the pc bandwagon.... I dont want to have to upgrade all the time and I cant really afford it, ok the games graphics play can be superior but I like the one off payment to last 5 odd years or so. I also like the controller and tv kind of idea.....

...roll on the PS3!!!

 

[Jay]

Im more into simulation type games, like flight sims, sub sims etc. Consoles dont provide those sorts of games very often or the hardware for them, mostly marketed for casual gamers. Consoles just dont have the amount of buttons I need like a keyboard.


I have never ever payed for a online subscription and im not about to start. I have played many console games and I dislike most. I go to the video store and see shelfs full of them and I cant find any I feel like I want to hire, almost all the ones I like are on PC anyway like FPS's. The last FPS I enjoyed on console was Goldeneye for N64.

I will be buying a PS3, but it wont be my main source of gaming (shouldnt be anyway), it will be for only a select few games.

 

[LaBounti]

Its not the lack of buttons but the untested grounds if such games will sell. Too risky to put games out no one wil be interested by its listed content. These sim games are played by people who have been playing them for a long time. It's a territory that hasnt been tried on consoles and if they have they failed.

 

[Solid Lifters]

More PS3 bashing from MS?

The European Developers Relations Manager for ATI, Richard Huddy, was quoted in an interview with Edge magazine saying that "I think Xbox 360 technology is likely to outperform PlayStation 3 technology by a pretty healthy margin in the long run." and that the RSX was basically a PC part component slapped into the Playstation 3 at the last moment of the Playstation 3's development process.

Source: GamersReports.com

Edge Magazine: How do you think your work on the 360 measures up to PS3?

Richard Hubby: [...]With the PS3 my understanding of what happened is that they had three different internal hardware solutions - at one point, for example, as I understand it there was a proposal to use multiple Cell processors just to handle the graphics. And towards the end of the process, as the story goes, they took a look at the three internal tenders and decided than none of them would actually do; none of them would deliver the kind of performance and quality that games programmers could use and would make for a good cost-effective console, so they had to go out and shop around. And one of the places they shopped was Nvidia, and what Nvidia did was say: 'Well, you've got this relatively short timeframe, you've got roughly this kind of budget, I'll tell you what we'll do: we'll do you a good price on what is essentially the 7800GTX'. So that's a PC chip, and if you look at the architecture of the two consoles you can see we've done bizarre things that they haven't. We've built ten megabytes of dedicated ED RAM which knows how to antialias and so on, because that's a specific way of addressing a console's problem. It's bizarre in a PC sense but a special skill for a console builder. Whereas the PS3 has 256 meg of system memory and 256 meg of graphics memory it communicates through what is effectively a PCI express bus. It uses GDDR3 fast memory, it's essentially a PC graphics design bolted on to a Cell processor and 256 meg of fast system memory...

Edge Magazine: You make it sound so unrefined!

Richard Hubby: [Laughs.] Well, yeah, but the tragedy is that it is unrefined. There's a lot brute force in there - I'd be the last person to admit it, but the truth is that the 7800GTX is a pretty powerful piece of hardware, but it's not very elegant, it hasn't got the kind of: 'Well, how do we design this to be the best possible console we can build for this money?' Instead it's been put together at the end of quite a complicated process. We have two very different design processes. If Microsoft had come to us and said: 'All right, what are we going to do about this graphics chip, then? Let's sign the contract and let's go', but then we'd got two thirds through and they'd said: 'Look, you guys aren't going to deliver - now what are you going to do?' and then walked away from us, they would have ended up with a design very much like the PS3 in some essential characteristics - it would have had to use bought-in components. And our GPUs instead are custom-designed components, and that's one of the fundamental reasons why I think Xbox 360 technology is likely to outperform PlayStation 3 technology by a pretty healthy margin in the long run.

Edge Magazine: So how about this one: can those E3 PS3 demos be achieved on Xbox 360?

Richard Hubby: Well, why not take another combative line here? I think it's more likely that they can be realised on an Xbox 360 than they can be on a PS3. Those things are movies generated using whatever DCC software the houses had in mind. The Epic demo was running on a PC, and it was done using an early 7800 in SLI mode, so that was a high-end PC demo, but the movies were generated as movies and dressed up as: 'This is what you can expect from a PS3', but that's probably overstating what the PS3 can do a little bit. Indeed, it's well beyond what we expect the PS3 to be able to do. So I guess we'll just have to see what happens..."

 

[LaBounti]

He knows as much as the next man who reads from the internet. CES will reveal real nfo we have been waitinf for. Well The GTX7800512 out performs everything ATI has even with ati's 600mhz gpu's. It can run pc games like doom3 at 2048x1536 with anti alasiing at 60fps. imagine what it can do with a game at 1280x720 with optimized code.

Oh yeah, it was dual 6800's not slii 7800's.

 

[Jay]

Its not the lack of buttons but the untested grounds if such games will sell. Too risky to put games out no one wil be interested by its listed content. These sim games are played by people who have been playing them for a long time. It's a territory that hasnt been tried on consoles and if they have they failed.

Yes, but if Microsoft were to release MS Flight simulator to Xbox360 where would they fit all this onto the controller

And as for Richard Hubby, boy he likes to talk up alot of ****, the way he says it sounds like Im overhearing it from some Xbox fanboy in a games store.

 

[Max_DC]

Yes, but if Microsoft were to release MS Flight simulator to Xbox360 where would they fit all this onto the controller

* pics with many buttons *


And as for Richard Hubby, boy he likes to talk up alot of ****, the way he says it sounds like Im overhearing it from some Xbox fanboy in a games store.

Well, there are some sims in Japan which are a lot of fun. Tokyo Bus Guide series, Densha de Go, Jet de Go etc... they might not be as extreme as on PC, but they are a lot of fun...and that is what it's all about, right ? ( Note : these games are realistic, just not as many buttons etc... that's like saying that Gran Tusrismo on PC would be a DOZEN times better, just because you can adjust the radio in your car and turn down the the windows by pushing a special button... ok... when I think about it... would be kind of cool indeed )

 

[Jay]

( Note : these games are realistic, just not as many buttons etc... that's like saying that Gran Tusrismo on PC would be a DOZEN times better, just because you can adjust the radio in your car and turn down the the windows by pushing a special button... ok... when I think about it... would be kind of cool indeed )

Well to fly and navigate a plane to correct procedure is alot more complex than driving a car around a track.
Your right it would be cool to control the radio with your own CD's and roll down the windows etc. Thats part of the reason I like GTR FIA racing sim because I can turn the ignition on and start the car or shut it off and play around with the Motec display and stuff like that, that is once again a PC game. If consoles offered this type of thing then I would most likely buy the games in an instant.

Why does everyone want to talk me into consoles. This isnt coming from someone that never touches consoles, I play consoles alot, they're fun but dont interest me asmuch as PC's, im sorry that dissapoints people but thats the way it is.

It dissapoints me when PC games go to console, not because its on console but because the developers/publishers often dumb the games down for casual arcadey type gaming, which Im not into.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Sony Pushes PS3 Cell
Posted Dec 28, 2005, 6:24 PM ET



Sony PlayStation 3 expected to bring next-generation cell processor to industry standard for all kinds of multimedia consumer electronics.


Sony's semiconductor chief, Kenshi Manabe has stated that the next-generation cell processor used for the upcoming Sony PlayStation 3 will soon become the industry standard for all kinds of multimedia consumer electronics. He went to say that the cell chip is as good as the Pentium, if not better.

Nearly anyone who owns a PC is familiar with the "Intel Inside" sticker. The blue-and-white logo has been a potent symbol of Intel's virtual lock on the market in PC processors over the past decade. Despite their best efforts, Advanced Micro Devices, Samsung, Texas Instruments, and other chipmakers have failed to knock Intel from the number 1 spot.

However, Sony believes the new cell chip is enough competition for Intel to worry about. The cell chip will be used in the upcoming Sony PS3 video game console, and Sony is winding up for a swing at the champ.

While Sony is slated to launch its PlayStation3 this spring, analysts believe in the Cell's potential as a multimedia processor that none of the three companies that shared the chip's $400 million development costs.

Sony, IBM, and Toshiba -- have specified what will come after the Sony PS3 game machine. It's clear that Sony is interested in using the Cell chip in applications other than the Sony PlayStation 3. The chip's success could signal to the industry that Sony is back after a series of missteps left it with an outdated product lineup and mounting losses. For the year ending in March, the Tokyo-based company forecasts an $86 million net loss, compared with last year's $1.4 billion

profit.

Sony's woes stem largely from its loss-making electronics division. The unit, which includes semiconductors, accounts for nearly 70% of revenues but hasn't been profitable for the past two years. By making its own specialty chips, Sony hopes to give its TVs, cameras, and cell phones technologies that rivals can't match.

Putting the Cell in a video gaming console gives the chip a high-profile start. Sony's gaming machine, PlayStation2, has been the hottest console in history, topping 100 million PS2 units in November after five years on the market. Analysts predict the next-generation machine will do even better. Sony is expected to sell more than 12 million PS3s in the first year and reach the 200 million mark within five years, estimates researcher Envisioneering Group. Those numbers would give Sony the crucial econo. Now, that's a lot of PlayStation 3 units.

 

[Max_DC]

Nice to see. I really hope that they can achieve all that... And while I like their idea of using the cell in many products, I'd like to see some PS3 games - playable demos to be precise....

 

[tha_con]

Nice to see. I really hope that they can achieve all that... And while I like their idea of using the cell in many products, I'd like to see some PS3 games - playable demos to be precise....

Didn't I already go over why there aren't any? It's business, not because there aren't any. It's just for business purposes, I'm sure there are many games right now (I'd say at least 6) that are playable to an "enjoyable" extent, meaning they aren't just buggy engine's and test builds. But, they won't be seen until CES or later.

 

[Max_DC]

Didn't I already go over why there aren't any? It's business, not because there aren't any. It's just for business purposes, I'm sure there are many games right now (I'd say at least 6) that are playable to an "enjoyable" extent, meaning they aren't just buggy engine's and test builds. But, they won't be seen until CES or later.

Yeah, but I said I want to SEE them. The fact that they probably exist, doesn't help me a lot. I play videogames for many years, I have over a dozen consoles, many of them directly from Japan and a few hundred original games. I read many game magazines both online and on paper and I go to university. So don't you talk to me like a mother to a silly school boy

I'll import the PS3 from Japan anyway as soon as it will be released, but I can't wait to see if there are differences between Xbox360 and PS3 concerning grafics and number of moving objects etc.

Next point : launch lineup... there should be a lot of japanese games for a japanese release, but most previewed games I've seen were from the US/EU.

So what can we expect ? A new ridge racer ? a kind of GT 5 Prologue ? A new Kessen or Golf Paradise ? Tekken 5 Tag Tournament ?

I say it again, I understand the policy of Sony, but I don't like to wait....

 

[tha_con]

Yeah, but I said I want to SEE them. The fact that they probably exist, doesn't help me a lot. I play videogames for many years, I have over a dozen consoles, many of them directly from Japan and a few hundred original games. I read many game magazines both online and on paper and I go to university. So don't you talk to me like a mother to a silly school boy

I'll import the PS3 from Japan anyway as soon as it will be released, but I can't wait to see if there are differences between Xbox360 and PS3 concerning grafics and number of moving objects etc.

Next point : launch lineup... there should be a lot of japanese games for a japanese release, but most previewed games I've seen were from the US/EU.

So what can we expect ? A new ridge racer ? a kind of GT 5 Prologue ? A new Kessen or Golf Paradise ? Tekken 5 Tag Tournament ?

I say it again, I understand the policy of Sony, but I don't like to wait....

Sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intent

But anyway, Sony is just focusing on selling PS2's and PSP's during the holiday seasons, them showing off the PS3 would take away from those potential sales greatly. But Jan is going to be a bit month, so just wait and see for all the new info. Q1 2006 as a whole should be very interesting and full of info. Within the first half of 2006 we'll know more launch titles, the price, and have seen playable Demo's (at E3 for sure).

 

[Max_DC]

Sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intent

But anyway, Sony is just focusing on selling PS2's and PSP's during the holiday seasons, them showing off the PS3 would take away from those potential sales greatly. But Jan is going to be a bit month, so just wait and see for all the new info. Q1 2006 as a whole should be very interesting and full of info. Within the first half of 2006 we'll know more launch titles, the price, and have seen playable Demo's (at E3 for sure).

No you didn't , !

Overall I agree with you concerning the next months and that's why this is our last chance to do some speculations, which is half the fun imo...

I'll start right off : I'd say the PS3 will be released not before May 31st in Japan. No worldwide release. There are probably not more than 5 real games available from the start, along with a Majong game .
These 5 games are probably all from japanese developers and I think a new Ridge Racer will be one of them. Ok...maybe EA will join the jp launch team aswell...

Online Mode will not be hardware based.
The Ps3 will loose a few ports ( for example the one for double HDTV output )
HDD will be sold seperatly.

The price will be between 40 and 50 k Yen, games will sell for 7200 + Yen

Ok, next one : What do you think ?

 

[tha_con]

o PS3 Price: $399

o PS3 Launch Date: Between May and June of 2006. US following after with a Oct 2006, and EU with a slightly delayed Jan/Feb 2007

o PS3 Launch Titles:

JPN: Tekken Title (Tag is unlikely IMO, more than likely it'll be Tekken 5 Dark Ressurection), Possibly a Ridge Racer, two RPG's, and a few other titles (3 max).

US: Tekken, Ridge Racer, Unreal Tourney, Madden, Fight Night Round 3, two RPG's, maybe a few more titles.

o Online: Out of the box functionality, similar to PS2 structure

o Will maintain all ports, losing the second HDMI is only a possibility.

o HDD coming three months after launch, sold in a 60GB-80GB package for $99.

PS3 will launch with a "demo reel" blu-ray disc included, which will include snippets of movies in HD, a few music videos perhaps, and some game clips, none of which are playable.

Those are my predictions at least No multiple colors btw, Silver or Black, white won't see the light of day in the US.