PS3 Rules & XBox 360 Sucks! (The Official PS3 - XBox360 Argument Thread)

[Blackbird.]

Well the developers of Killzone 2 wanted to make it clear that that demo was real time. It may have been scripted but that's what you are going to see when you play (plus a HUD of course).

Since Bill knows that he will not win in the hardware department he is focusing on the mainstream stuff. Like the VelocityGirl demonstration. Designing skate parks and T-shirts for people to buy to put on their characters. Doesn't appeal to me but I guess you'll do anything if your desperate to release a competitive worthy gaming console.

 

[James2097]

This time around, the order hasn't changed. Only possiblity of change comes from the Nintendo's plan to sell downloadable oldschool NES - N64(maybe GC?) games. If they can make something incredible out of this(like make every single NES/Famicom to GameCube games available.... cheap!), it might tie or pass PS3. I'm not holding my breath, though.

I reckon nintendo rely on their past golden era too much. Its the ultimate in 'milking' their past. I'm sure they'll ask too much $$ to download old games. They love selling crap like that repackaged, just like all those remakes on GBA.

btw how amazingly different (and revolutionary) can the controller be if it still has to use traditional types of control schemes to play all those old games effectively?

I'm not anti-nintendo, I applaud the 'fun' stance and the games being more important than the hardware, its just that the other two consoles still have more fun games, as well as better hardware. You can see what people want to play by the game charts, not nintendo's old fashioned idealism. People want realism, they want Halo, they want GTA. Not another bloody niche bongo bangin' game from the big N. Nintendo is like the eccentric, crazy old man in the corner that no one cares about anymore. I respect them, I just don't want to play their stuff.
They'll hold onto the kiddy market, but they won't grow it, not without some really deep engrossing products that are more than mere gimmicky novelty toys, like the DS is.

There is a fine line between a mainstream revolutionary idea that lasts, and nintendo's normal brand of gimmickry that gets tired quickly.

 

[a6m5]

James: Yes, Nintendo is milking their past legacy a bit, but is that any worse than Sony selling the backward compatibility with PS3? Way I look at it, there are a lot of us who still loves the oldschool Nintendo classics(including 3rd party games). Unfortunately, those NES and game carts are twenty years old and aren't working that great. If Nintendo offer those people a way to play those classics on their new hardware at a reasonable price, I don't see anything wrong with it. Milking?, perhaps. However, if the company makes money and consumers are happy, isn't that the whole point? Just my personal opinion!

P.S. I do agree that many of Nintendo games are kiddy, but did you ever get a chance to play Mario Kart Double Dash? GameCube still has many great games, and Mario Kart D.D. is one of the best multi-player games I have ever played. There's been nights, we went at it for hours! You can play 4 players, all against eachother or 2 on 2. The best feature of this game though, is that your "skillz" at video games doesn't make you an automatic winner. You can have the beginner level players racing with the experienced players and still have fun. 👍

 

[James2097]

Yeh I agree with your point/s a6m5, but Sony's backward compatibility is FREE. Also, nintendo made a really big point of their backwards compatibility in their conference. The lack of new exciting stuff (what the revolution really is) did sway my opinion that they aren't looking to the future enough. Sure I'm looking forward to being proved wong, but Nintendo's recent form is to milk it a bit too much (GBA ports - full price games for old SNES stuff? What the?).

Emulators may be illegal (well playing old games on them is), but hey I reckon people can definately get their SNES, NES, and N64 fix without paying for all those old games again (that they already own on cartridge). Hopefully the really old games are free, cause they aren't worth anything apart from nostalgic value these days.

Hey, double dash could well be a really fun game, but nintendo's graphic/audio style really tends to put me off - I'm a designer myself and am VERY critical and therefore vain and opinionated when it comes to deciding what games I'll play, and what games just LOOK too bad. I got Mario Kart on GBA, its fun for what it is, but hardly pushing gaming forward. I am a WipEout man myself when it comes to weapon competitive racing! I prefer the grown up, awesome design (fusion excluded obviously). Hell, I think Metroid is too kiddy!

 

[JohnBM01]

Uh oh... looks like this thread may be a long-winded debate, probably bringing more posts than the GT4 vs. Forza thread. To be honest, I like both systems. I think the PS3 is told to have a more superior processor and perhaps open up this "PlayStation World" deal for its online gaming. You cannot mention online if you're not talking about XBOX. It looks like XBOX 360 is wanting to make its own subculture of gaming. If E3 2005 and G4/ign.com are any indication, Microsoft is just looking to broaden the XBOX Live thing a little further. This is, as if XBOX Live isn't big enough to begin with.

I'll say the same thing about this thread as I stated in "GT4 vs. Forza." Until the next next-gen consoles come out, the PS3 and XBOX 360 will end up being a big battle. Much like around 2000, the battle was PS2 vs. Dreamcast. Now in 2005, it's going to be the PS3 vs. the XBOX 360. As a PS3 gamer, I'm very interested in all the content, including the possible porting of Unreal Tournament 2007 to PS3, XBOX360, and PC (don't know about odd-man out, the Nintendo Revolution). For XBOX360, you already know I'm looking forward to some good racing games, even if this means Forza Motorsport 2 in the future.

This is going to be a close fight. I think both consoles have something to prove and will be willing to fight in the trenches to see who'll win it all. I call it a draw. No, really. I'm not kissing Sony's ass. I'm not trying to kiss Microsoft's ass. I think this is a highly contested battle. PS3 looks to have a lot of power on its side, while the XBOX360 will try to make a good thing better from its assortment of games to its ever popular XBOX Live.

Result? Draw.

 

[a6m5]

Free is a very good price. But like I said earlier, I think there will be a great number of fans, who would appreciate downloadable classic Nintendo games.

I do have couple of SNES emulator discs for my Sega Dreamcast. I think, each disc contains over 100(maybe close to 200) games on it. SNES is my all time favorite system. 👍

This is going to be a close fight. I think both consoles have something to prove and will be willing to fight in the trenches to see who'll win it all. I call it a draw. No, really. I'm not kissing Sony's ass. I'm not trying to kiss Microsoft's ass. I think this is a highly contested battle. PS3 looks to have a lot of power on its side, while the XBOX360 will try to make a good thing better from its assortment of games to its ever popular XBOX Live.

Result? Draw.

Maybe at first. I don't think 360 will die like Dreamcast like some people are claiming. However, I don't think 360 will come close to beating or tying the PS3. I predict, 360 will do little better than the first Xbox, but will not threaten PS3. It will probably get a pretty good jump in the first year or so though.

 

[T5-R]

Hmmm evidently some of the more fanboyish posts in this thread were actually serious. How sad. "OMFG ITS LEIK M$ DISRESPEKTED MY FAMILY, I HOPE DEY LOOSE L0LLe|²s!!1``¬ SONY IS DA LIKE A SMALL FIRM WHICH CARES!1``¬. SO wHat IF I HAVEN@T PLAyed EIFER M$ SUCK0rz 4ever Lollers! SONY rawK!!1"

Nothing is more pathetic than firms trying to steal each others thunder apart from fanboys prejudging systems based purely on specs and a couple of early demos. Personally at the moment I'm not that impressed by either system. But I haven't seen much so I'll wait and see.

 

[JohnBM01]

So a6m5, are you saying that the XBOX360 will only be better than its predecesor but fall short of knocking off the PS3? Usually, a new game system has to be better than the predecesor. But name a game company that had very little success with newer consoles...

...that's right. Sega!

The most successful Sega system was the Genesis. Then from what I seen, Sega CD - good for a while, then extinct. Sega 32X - blasted with a double barrel... dead. Sega Game Gear - good, died later. Sega Saturn - lasted a bit, then croaked. I guess in terms of success, I'd put them in this order: (1) Genesis, (2) Dreamcast, (3) Saturn.

This was a case in which future systems did good for a bit, then didn't really last long from the competition. I can remember only one pure failure for Nintendo- the Virtual Boy. Even I wanted one when it came out... but never got one. Nothing but black and red. Didn't stand a chance.

So on to my second question. If you think the XBOX360 will eventually die out like some of Sega's past consoles, what could potentially save the XBOX360 from extinction?

 

[James2097]

Hmmm evidently some of the more fanboyish posts in this thread were actually serious. How sad. "OMFG ITS LEIK M$ DISRESPEKTED MY FAMILY, I HOPE DEY LOOSE L0LLe|²s!!1``¬ SONY IS DA LIKE A SMALL FIRM WHICH CARES!1``¬. SO wHat IF I HAVEN@T PLAyed EIFER M$ SUCK0rz 4ever Lollers! SONY rawK!!1"

Nothing is more pathetic than firms trying to steal each others thunder apart from fanboys prejudging systems based purely on specs and a couple of early demos. Personally at the moment I'm not that impressed by either system. But I haven't seen much so I'll wait and see.

No one here is a fanboy, no one is pre-judging the systems in any definative manner. You think talking about the new systems is pathetic? That means you're not a gamer! A certain level of excitement and discourse is expected in the wake of E3.

BTW codekev does 3l33t speak far funnier. Its even a bit tired when he does it. Ho hum.

 

[code_kev]

TBH I thought T5-R did a cracking job of 1337 speak. But there are fanboys here

 

[James2097]

TBH I thought T5-R did a cracking job of 1337 speak. But there are fanboys here

Of course there's a fan-boy now you've shown up, code.

I'll let you be the judge of 1337 speak I suppose. I'm just totally over anyone trying to be funny using it these days, I get bored of it real quick, like.

 

[donbenni]

How can you be bored of 1337? It is perfect for overblown sarcasm, something which the net has needed for ages.

 

[T5-R]

No one here is a fanboy, no one is pre-judging the systems in any definative manner. You think talking about the new systems is pathetic? That means you're not a gamer! A certain level of excitement and discourse is expected in the wake of E3.

BTW codekev does 3l33t speak far funnier. Its even a bit tired when he does it. Ho hum.

Comparing systems in an open-minded manner = fine.

Comparing systems and making firm judgements before even seeing the system in person = stupid.

As I have reserved my judgement like a rational consumer, I don't think that makes me any less of a gamer. Unless your idea of a gamer is a fanboy, which some people in this thread blatently are.

The L337 speak wasn't really meant for amusement value, more like trying to reiterate some of the more stupid comments I've seen about both consoles since E3 etc...

 

[a6m5]

So a6m5, are you saying that the XBOX360 will only be better than its predecesor but fall short of knocking off the PS3? Usually, a new game system has to be better than the predecesor. But name a game company that had very little success with newer consoles...

...that's right. Sega!

The most successful Sega system was the Genesis. Then from what I seen, Sega CD - good for a while, then extinct. Sega 32X - blasted with a double barrel... dead. Sega Game Gear - good, died later. Sega Saturn - lasted a bit, then croaked. I guess in terms of success, I'd put them in this order: (1) Genesis, (2) Dreamcast, (3) Saturn.

This was a case in which future systems did good for a bit, then didn't really last long from the competition. I can remember only one pure failure for Nintendo- the Virtual Boy. Even I wanted one when it came out... but never got one. Nothing but black and red. Didn't stand a chance.

So on to my second question. If you think the XBOX360 will eventually die out like some of Sega's past consoles, what could potentially save the XBOX360 from extinction?

My assumption is based on the fan base. I think the 360 will do better than the first Xbox, because they actually have a fan base, this time around. There will be many people who's played the Xbox(first one), who'll want the new Xbox 360. However, I'm predicting PS3 victory, because Microsoft hasn't really shown any signs that their machine or games are any better than Playstations'. If they can't come up with something to win over more customers(from the PS camp), I see the results being close to PS2 vs. Xbox sales.

To answer you second question, as I've said in my post, I don't think 360 will die out. Microsoft has enough following this time around. They might not make as much profit as they like though, IMO.

 

[Saleen Man]

As I already said in this thread, the 360 will not die out, solely because of Halo.
As for Nintendo, I really don't think they have a chance in this race, and I think the 360 will do much better than the Revolution. I think it will all come down to games. Gears of War and PGR3 look pretty good, but even combined with Halo, will they be able to compete with the Metal Gear, GTA series', Devil May Cry, and of course Gran Turismo? I really don't think so. It also looks like Sony has the edge in graphics this time around, and even when they didn't the PS2 did better than Xbox. PS3 rocks. Call me a fanboy if you like.

Resident Evil 4 will be released for the PS2 later this year, but was there anything said about Resident Evil coming to the PS3?

 

[PorscheGT]

SONY rules. End of story.

 

[TVRKing]

Ok. Heres an experiment.

Just suppose that it was SONY who made the Xbox/Xbox360, and Microsoft who made the PS2/3.

Which console whould be better then?

 

[tha_con]

You have to be a bit more clear.

If it were Sony who made the Xbox and 360, then I am assuming that their software following would be the same as it was if they made PS2/3, so hands down, it would still be Sony, their software is superior to Microsoft.

 

[Robin]

Ok. Heres an experiment.

Just suppose that it was SONY who made the Xbox/Xbox360, and Microsoft who made the PS2/3.

Which console whould be better then?

Then it would be the Microsoft fanboys who would be mocking us............its as simple as that......it was like the situation when the xbox was technically better than the PS2

 

[TriplePlay]

..... HALO anyone?

just reminding you of the greatest game ever created...that is made by BUNGIE, a part of MICROSOFT...

 

[F1GTR]

T3h Microsoft fanboi...

 

[jamaican]

As I already said in this thread, the 360 will not die out, solely because of Halo.

Halo is the only thing they have... they'd be **** without it

Just suppose that it was SONY who made the Xbox/Xbox360, and Microsoft who made the PS2/3.

Which console whould be better then?

in that case xbox would be better jk, it's not really a matter of that... sony was here first, xbox is the noob

 

[T5-R]

Well Sony/PD did one thing wrong. Thanks to GT4s stupid delays I bought myself an Xbox as something to play with over the xmas '03 (Never imagined it would take aslong as March '05!) Still it was cheap at the time, about £130 or something with 4 games Then I bought PGR2 and Sega GT Online. And no I'm not a fan of Halo, although it did come free with my Xbox. RalliSport 2 however owns

More xbox games come to mind than PS2 games and I've owned the PS2 longer. Final Fantasy 10 was a real dissapointment for me & so was GT3. Getaway was fundamentally flawed and even GT4 failed to come with online and do anything significantly new.

*Cough* The Xbox is also dead easy to chip and fit a massive hard drive in *cough*

 

[code_kev]

Funny how they say Halo is the only game worth owning...odd I own many Xbox games that make it worth owning.

 

[BlackZ28]

READ THIS
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

 

[BlackZ28]

CONCLUSION
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

I love ATi.

 

[Max_DC]

I love ATi.

Well interesting article, but I think it is too early to discuss these things... Xbox360 is not existent at the moment, all games run on Apple Power Macs, not even talikng about the PS3... Don't forget that the Xbox360 will be released before christam, the PS3 4 or 5 months later... Nobody knows the final specs of any console... remember the PSP ? They doubled the ram some months before the release... Nobody knows if
either the 360 will suffer overheat from their 10 GHertz or if Sony finds a way to reduce production costs for their cell chips and then integrate maybe a second one ( 4 were planned some months ago, or better rumours said so )... This thread is a waste of time at the moment, because everybody talks about prototypes and speculative hardware performance... hell we don't even know if any of these games are realtime...

 

[a6m5]

We decided to put this Microsoft-provided information our undigested. Thus, enclosed is a Microsoft-made comparitive analysis. We have not alterted, added, or tinkered with the data. We have not interpreted the specs. We have pasted and cut this information from the email into our site and formatted it. Make of it what you will, but be clear we know Microsoft has clearly slanted this info, and we're not endorsing it, just printing their version. There is a difference.

CONCLUSION
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably(probably?) more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

This article is screaming: "Microsoft propaganda".

Also, after crunching of the numbers, their conclusion is: "Xbox 360 has provably more performance the PS3". "Keep in mind, Sony lies about the Playstaion specs!". I agree, I'm sure Sony dishes out a lot of B.S. about their system. Funny thing, the source of this article is the Microsofts' version of the B.S. and they didn't even bother doing a good job of it.

I don't doubt that X360 is a good machine and I'm sure the Sony and Nintendo systems will be good also, but I don't think this article prove anything. Just my opinion.

Well interesting article, but I think it is too early to discuss these things... Xbox360 is not existent at the moment, all games run on Apple Power Macs, not even talikng about the PS3... Don't forget that the Xbox360 will be released before christam, the PS3 4 or 5 months later... Nobody knows the final specs of any console... remember the PSP ? They doubled the ram some months before the release... Nobody knows if
either the 360 will suffer overheat from their 10 GHertz or if Sony finds a way to reduce production costs for their cell chips and then integrate maybe a second one ( 4 were planned some months ago, or better rumours said so )... This thread is a waste of time at the moment, because everybody talks about prototypes and speculative hardware performance... hell we don't even know if any of these games are realtime...

Good point. I think, it's bit early as well.

 

[James2097]

That MS propaganda was funny. Sony says PS3 does 2 teraflops, and XBOX360 only 1 teraflop. So we have MS saying their system is faster, and Sony saying their's is TWICE as fast as Microsoft's.

This is geeky willy-waving of the highest order. Even if PS3 ends up slightly slower than Xbox360 (and it won't, most independent overviews of the basic configurations say PS3 is obviously the quicker machine...) it won't really matter. Its not like Sony was hugely disadvantaged in the last 2 generations. Anyway, I have no idea how much 'added' performance MS assume their 'easy to make stuff with our amazing XNA architecture' thing nets them. The dude from Epic said that PS3 was really easy to make games for also, all standard based OpenGL kinda stuff. Nintendo thinks THEIR console will be the most dev friendly also!.

So:

Sony claims fastest console, easy to develop for.
MS claims fastest console, easy to develop for.
Nintendo claims "lets make a dog with a Mario hat hump another dog". They also claim 'easiest' to develop for.

Its panning out quite predictably. MS had the tech advantage in the current gen, and they're not gonna give up that image without a propaganda war. PS3 is faster though, its clear. There has NEVER been a mainstream console system that has come out LATER than another and not been quicker. Not once. PS3 will be obviously faster, or they'll be soo close in speed you can't tell the difference. Nintendo's machine will be used as an emulator to play Super Mario 3 and Goldeneye, mainly.

 

[Kent]

Just stopping in real quick here.

Thought I would mention that...

Regardless of performance increases from any of the machines, I believe that MS is alienating the hard-core fan base.

It seems like two-thirds of the MS news is based on the idea of services and software.

I suppose there will be a day where everyone in the world is using high-def TVs and broad-band... but that time isn't now.

More importantly, it seems that Gates' comments about "I want this to be a media system and not just a game system" are coming out to be true.
(sorry about the poor quote)

Final word from my side of this...

Sony is trying to jump from one level to another just as they did with ps1 & ps2.

MS is trying to exploit what worked for the first box by creating a net-based media center capable of playing games.

My money is on Sony walking tall in the end of this battle.